CDS Discussion

[10:02] Rosie Gray: well... shall we start?
[10:02] Sudane Erato: great
[10:02] Sudane Erato: sorry for cutting it so close
[10:03] Rosie Gray: np
[10:03] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:03] Rosie Gray: before we do anything more... we are actually supposed to have some 'executive' for this group
[10:03] Sudane Erato: ahh... to lead the meetings?
[10:03] Rosie Gray: a Chairperson
[10:03] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:04] Rosie Gray: a Treasurer, and a Recording Secretary
[10:04] Sudane Erato: didn't Lil volunteer?
[10:04] Rosie Gray: hehehe
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: I did with the transcripts
[10:04] Rosie Gray: as I recall, she did ㋡
[10:04] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: and could also post our meetings at the calendar if needed
[10:04] Rosie Gray: and you said you'd be treasurer, Sudane, although it's a bit moot right now
[10:04] Rosie Gray: but we do need a chairperson
[10:05] Sudane Erato: well... we do continue to need money to pay the tier on this bldg
[10:05] Rosie Gray: aah
[10:05] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[10:05] Sudane Erato: so Tan and I have been contributing that
[10:05] Tanoujin Milestone: we are able to fund other id's tier boxes btw
[10:06] Rosie Gray: I didn't know that
[10:06] Rosie Gray: so I guess we should talk about money at some point
[10:06] Sudane Erato: true... but i think it best oif Guilda pays so that I can keep single records
[10:06] Sudane Erato: sorry to get us off track
[10:06] Lilith Ivory: do we have a tip jar somewhere?
[10:06] Sudane Erato: oh!... good idea
[10:06] Rosie Gray: what about you Delia... feel like being the Chairperson?
[10:06] Tanoujin Milestone: tip Guilda
[10:07] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, or place a jar
[10:07] Rosie Gray: or Tan?
[10:07] Delia Lake: yes, we really should have a tip jar
[10:07] Rosie Gray: oh yes we should
[10:07] Delia Lake: not this spring please for chairing anything
[10:07] Sudane Erato: *porch
[10:07] Sudane Erato: i'll get one and put it on the porce here
[10:07] Rosie Gray nods and smiles at Delia
[10:07] Lilith Ivory: a tip jar seems to be more easy than to find guilda and pay her
[10:07] Rosie Gray: how about you Tan? Feel like being the Chair?
[10:07] Sudane Erato: i agree
[10:07] Tanoujin Milestone: omg
[10:07] Sudane Erato:
[10:08] Delia Lake: we could have a tip jar that looked like Guilda, lol
[10:08] Tanoujin Milestone: with agenda and all?
[10:08] Rosie Gray: oh nice idea!
[10:08] Sudane Erato: lol... yes
[10:08] Rosie Gray: well... yes
[10:08] Tanoujin Milestone: sigh. I volunteer
[10:08] Rosie Gray: but we can work together on it, if you want
[10:08] Rosie Gray: yay
[10:08] Tanoujin Milestone: you bet
[10:08] Rosie Gray: thanks Tan
[10:09] Rosie Gray: do you want to take over from here then?
[10:09] Rosie Gray: oh Hi Pip!
[10:09] Lilith Ivory: hi pip
[10:09] Pip Torok: hi all ...!
[10:09] Delia Lake: hi Pip
[10:09] Delia Lake: gtsy
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, we will have a tip jar, we will visit some builder sites today, and what was the 3rd point?
[10:09] Pip Torok: tks delia!
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Pip
[10:10] Pip Torok: hi tan !
[10:10] Rosie Gray: um, the logo
[10:10] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, the builders trick!
[10:10] Rosie Gray: and yes... that too
[10:10] Rosie Gray: hehe
[10:10] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, and the logo
[10:10] Lilith Ivory blushes and stares at her feet
[10:10] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:10] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:10] Tanoujin Milestone: wait a moment, who will place the tip jar?
[10:10] Lilith Ivory: mumbling something about being busy in RL lately
[10:10] Sudane Erato: we are logo-less!
[10:10] Tanoujin Milestone: do we have a volunteer for that?
[10:10] Sudane Erato:
[10:10] Rosie Gray: I think that Sudane has to place it
[10:10] Lilith Ivory: gulda needs to place it
[10:10] Rosie Gray: or Guilda
[10:10] Tanoujin Milestone: i see
[10:11] Lilith Ivory: the owner of the jar gets the money
[10:11] Sudane Erato: the tip jar?... Guilda does, yes
[10:11] Sudane Erato: np
[10:11] Rosie Gray: can't say I expect a lot of donations to the school though
[10:11] Rosie Gray: but we'll also need it for the Schloss
[10:11] Sudane Erato: we can request
[10:11] Sudane Erato: well... the Schloss is not a Guild thing
[10:12] Sudane Erato: so we shouldn't mix the two
[10:12] Rosie Gray: no, but we could still put one there
[10:12] Rosie Gray: you don't think so?
[10:12] Sudane Erato: ahh... yes
[10:12] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe
[10:12] Sudane Erato: sorry
[10:12] Rosie Gray: hello Anti
[10:12] Tanoujin Milestone: a jar, at the Schloss?
[10:12] Sudane Erato: and even in other public places
[10:12] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Anti , nice to have you here
[10:12] Lilith Ivory: I could imagine our memebers might tip if a tipjar is around
[10:12] Lilith Ivory: I would
[10:12] anti Wirefly: hi thanks sorry I am late
[10:12] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:12] Sudane Erato: sure!
[10:13] Rosie Gray: come on in Anti
[10:13] Delia Lake: hi anti
[10:13] Lilith Ivory: hi anti
[10:13] Rosie Gray notices Pip having a fit or something
[10:13] anti Wirefly: hi all ◕‿◕
[10:13] Sudane Erato: what happened to Pip?
[10:13] Sudane Erato: hi Anti
[10:13] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:13] anti Wirefly: howdy Sudane ◕‿◕
[10:14] Pip Torok: long story!
[10:14] Tanoujin Milestone: ok, jar is covered?
[10:14] Sudane Erato: yep... np
[10:14] Tanoujin Milestone: okay, and we have no logo yet, but we keep this on agenda. (What can I do to motivate you, Lilith?)
[10:14] Tanoujin Milestone:
[10:15] Sudane Erato: send money
[10:15] Rosie Gray: hahhah
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: give me time and pay me well
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: just kidding
[10:15] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: suuure, just kidding
[10:15] Rosie Gray: we aren't in a rush
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: it is even more complicated
[10:15] Sudane Erato: no time, no money
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: or chain me on my computer
[10:15] Sudane Erato:
[10:15] Rosie Gray knows that feeling
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: (without access to SL)
[10:16] Tanoujin Milestone: alright... interesting point , the convex hull!
[10:16] Rosie Gray: (Anti, we had just acquired our guild officers before you came in... Tan is Chair, Lil is Secretary, and Sudane is treasurer)
[10:17] Rosie Gray: shall I begin about convex hull?
[10:17] anti Wirefly: congratulations ◕‿◕
[10:17] Sudane Erato: and Rosie is Guild Master
[10:17] Tanoujin Milestone: lol
[10:17] Sudane Erato: lest she forget
[10:17] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:17] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, please begin, dear Kerzenmeister
[10:17] Rosie Gray: heheeh
[10:17] Rosie Gray: okay, well for those of you who don't know about it yet, there is a not-so-new development of importance to builders
[10:17] Rosie Gray: it is Convex Hull
[10:18] Rosie Gray: which can almost 1/2 your builds
[10:18] Rosie Gray: in land impact
[10:18] Rosie Gray: anyone here not know about it?
[10:18] anti Wirefly: me lol
[10:18] Lilith Ivory is clueless
[10:18] Rosie Gray: okay... lol, you are going to LOVE this
[10:18] Tanoujin Milestone rubs her hands
[10:18] Pip Torok: i dont but i'm no builder
[10:18] Rosie Gray: okay I'll demonstrate
[10:18] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:19] Delia Lake: I haven't tried that CH yet.
[10:19] Rosie Gray: see before us, 3 prims
[10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: I see 3 nice plywood cubes
[10:19] Sudane Erato:
[10:19] Delia Lake: yup
[10:19] Rosie Gray: link them together, and they have a land impact of 3
[10:19] Sudane Erato: most important... 3 prims
[10:19] Rosie Gray: but
[10:20] Rosie Gray: if you go to the 'features' tab, and select under the "Physics Shape Type"
[10:20] Rosie Gray: Convex Hull
[10:20] Rosie Gray: voila! they have a land impact of 2!
[10:20] Lilith Ivory: wow
[10:20] anti Wirefly: very cool
[10:20] Rosie Gray: but
[10:20] Rosie Gray: there are catches to it
[10:20] Rosie Gray: firstly
[10:21] Rosie Gray: the more you torture your prims, the less likely it will work
[10:21] Rosie Gray: and
[10:21] Rosie Gray: if you create a hollow that you need to be able to walk through
[10:21] Rosie Gray: you won't be able to walk through it
[10:21] Rosie Gray: and lastly
[10:21] Rosie Gray: if you link together a number of prims with a lot of shaping done to them
[10:22] Rosie Gray: they might actually increase in land impact
[10:22] Rosie Gray: so, you have to be careful
[10:22] Delia Lake: what about phantom?
[10:22] anti Wirefly: hi Bagheera ◕‿◕
[10:22] Rosie Gray: hi Bags
[10:22] Sudane Erato: works with phantom fine
[10:22] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:22] Bagheera Kristan: hi
[10:22] Lilith Ivory: Hi Bags
[10:22] Sudane Erato: but on other condition
[10:22] Delia Lake: excellent
[10:23] Sudane Erato: *one
[10:23] Delia Lake: hi Bagherra
[10:23] Bagheera Kristan: hi hi
[10:23] Tanoujin Milestone: and it is a linkset?
[10:23] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Bags
[10:23] Sudane Erato: that is... CV prims CAN be linked to "prim" prims... but
[10:23] Sudane Erato: if you do so
[10:24] Sudane Erato: you''l almost definitely increase the # of "prims", rather than decrease them
[10:24] Sudane Erato: so
[10:24] Sudane Erato: keep the linksets separate
[10:24] Tanoujin Milestone: ic ic
[10:24] Rosie Gray nods
[10:24] Sudane Erato: link "Prtim" prims
[10:24] Delia Lake: ok
[10:24] anti Wirefly: so no linking to sculpties
[10:24] Sudane Erato: but best not to mix them
[10:24] Sudane Erato: and link CV prims
[10:24] Sudane Erato: oh,... you can link to sculpties!... sure!
[10:25] Sudane Erato: that works great
[10:25] anti Wirefly: wow
[10:25] Rosie Gray: yes, and you can make them CH too
[10:25] Delia Lake: I'll try rebuilding my house later. this will be fun
[10:25] Rosie Gray: yes, you'll be amazed
[10:25] Rosie Gray: but make a backup of an existing build before you do that
[10:25] Tanoujin Milestone:
[10:25] Sudane Erato: yes, if you make a linkset and set it CV, then all the prims in the set are CV
[10:25] Rosie Gray: one of mine I tried almost doubled the land impact
[10:25] Delia Lake: I heard that you can't link things like moving doors to these though
[10:26] Rosie Gray: I believe that's true
[10:26] Lilith Ivory: sounds like gambling to me lol
[10:26] Rosie Gray: and I've heard there's something about having scripts in them that negates it too
[10:26] Sudane Erato: well... moving doors might have their own reasons for not linking
[10:26] anti Wirefly: haw about linking to scripted items?
[10:26] Rosie Gray: so you need to be really careful
[10:26] Sudane Erato: but... you can make a door linkset CV, and save prims
[10:26] anti Wirefly: yep that would be the reason for doors then
[10:27] Sudane Erato: scripts seem to work fine in CV objects
[10:27] anti Wirefly: o ok cool
[10:27] Tanoujin Milestone: looks like the Convex hull optimization should be the last step in the building process, like downprimming...
[10:27] Rosie Gray: they do, but I've read something about them not... so since I'm pretty new to them, I'm just being careful with it
[10:28] Rosie Gray: well I think you might find it easier to do as you go along
[10:28] Rosie Gray: because some linksets are better not CH
[10:28] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, okay! Test right aeay then
[10:28] Tanoujin Milestone: *away
[10:28] Sudane Erato:
[10:28] Rosie Gray: yes!
[10:28] Sudane Erato: parcel is full
[10:28] Rosie Gray: oh, one more demo on this
[10:29] Tanoujin Milestone: hollow, path cut....
[10:29] Sudane Erato: the cut is irrelevant
[10:29] Tanoujin Milestone: k
[10:29] Sudane Erato: its the hollow which is a prob
[10:29] Rosie Gray: right
[10:30] Rosie Gray: this is hollowed, and cut, obviously
[10:30] Rosie Gray: and it's convex hull
[10:30] Delia Lake: if you are using the hollow for legs or some such and not needing to walk through, is it ok then?
[10:30] Rosie Gray: see, can't go through it
[10:30] Rosie Gray: oh yes
[10:30] Sudane Erato: Delia, yes
[10:30] Delia Lake: ok
[10:30] Rosie Gray: it's visually fine
[10:30] Rosie Gray: good for windows too
[10:30] Rosie Gray: but now..... watch
[10:31] Rosie Gray: it blocks you were the bottom of the cut is
[10:31] Delia Lake: hmmm. if you walk below the cut you're ok
[10:31] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:31] Rosie Gray: exactly
[10:32] Sudane Erato: yes... the cut is np
[10:32] anti Wirefly: I like it
[10:32] Sudane Erato: its the hollow
[10:32] Delia Lake: wonder what would happen if you had made the hollow prim phantom
[10:32] Sudane Erato: Delia, that would work
[10:32] Sudane Erato: it respects the phantom
[10:32] Delia Lake: good. ty
[10:32] Sudane Erato: the concept is the "bounding box"
[10:32] Delia Lake: ah
[10:32] Sudane Erato: same as with sculpties
[10:32] Rosie Gray: yes exactly
[10:33] Lilith Ivory nods
[10:33] Delia Lake: got it
[10:33] Tanoujin Milestone: very nice, i can use that at once
[10:33] anti Wirefly: you bet
[10:33] Sudane Erato: oh... its AMAZING
[10:33] Rosie Gray: it really is!
[10:33] Sudane Erato: i've saved 100's of prims
[10:34] Sudane Erato: and Rosie and I are using it extensively in the schloss project
[10:34] Sudane Erato: oh... a related thing
[10:34] Rosie Gray: hi Shep
[10:34] anti Wirefly: howdy Shep
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: Hi Shep
[10:34] Delia Lake: wow!
[10:34] Tanoujin Milestone: all prim hogs are happy
[10:34] Sudane Erato: if you use mesh objects
[10:34] Pip Torok: hi shep
[10:34] Delia Lake: hi Shep
[10:34] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Shep
[10:34] Bagheera Kristan: hi Shep
[10:34] Shep Titian: Hi folks
[10:34] Sudane Erato: link the mesh objects if you can
[10:34] Delia Lake: I've always been a prim miser. this will be interesting for me to play with
[10:34] Sudane Erato: as you can also save up to half... or more
[10:35] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:35] Rosie Gray: I've found that I've adapted how I build a bit for it
[10:35] Sudane Erato: but do NOT link mesh objects with CV objects
[10:35] Tanoujin Milestone: Avoid to CV mesh, did I get that right, Sudane?
[10:35] Tanoujin Milestone: yep, okay
[10:35] Sudane Erato: or again, the impact will increase
[10:35] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:35] Sudane Erato: trial and error
[10:36] Sudane Erato: reading the SL wiki... its clear that even LL is not exactly sure how this works
[10:36] Tanoujin Milestone: good to know. Who brought that up? I missed it completely
[10:36] Rosie Gray: hehe
[10:36] Shep Titian: I missed the beginning .. is this the convex stuff?
[10:36] Sudane Erato: so just test
[10:36] Sudane Erato: yes!
[10:36] Rosie Gray: yes it is
[10:36] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, Shep
[10:36] Shep Titian: Cool
[10:36] Rosie Gray: so, for everyone... Shep told me about Convex Hull
[10:36] Sudane Erato: Shep is the person who pointed it out to us
[10:36] Tanoujin Milestone: Thank you Shep!
[10:36] Shep Titian: Ed told me
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: cool
[10:37] Rosie Gray: and so goes SL!
[10:37] Shep Titian: nps
[10:37] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:37] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:37] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:37] Tanoujin Milestone: Wonderful. Do we want to present our buildings today?
[10:38] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:38] Tanoujin Milestone: Gaius is building a mosque at LA
[10:38] Tanoujin Milestone: sadly he was not able to make it
[10:38] Tanoujin Milestone: to this meeting
[10:38] Rosie Gray: I don't think he's even joined the Guild
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone takes a note to join him
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone:
[10:39] Shep Titian: G is always building things . but a mosque is a change from a temple
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe somewhat, yes
[10:39] Rosie Gray: a 'slight' change, lol
[10:39] Pip Torok: quite!
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: any other builders active atm?
[10:40] Rosie Gray: what about your build, Tan?
[10:40] Shep Titian: Not here
[10:40] Tanoujin Milestone: except the Schloss, which is no topic today
[10:40] anti Wirefly: I started what may be a Greeh house but did not get very far
[10:40] Tanoujin Milestone: yeees, I have an adobe build i would like to show you
[10:40] Delia Lake: Rosie, did you get to talk with Candace?
[10:40] anti Wirefly: *Greek
[10:40] Shep Titian: Ican present three buildings on Iwz
[10:40] Sudane Erato: Anti... neat!
[10:40] Tanoujin Milestone: on IWZ
[10:40] Rosie Gray: only briefly Delia, but I took a look at her build
[10:40] Shep Titian: yep
[10:40] Sudane Erato: I can advise you on anything Greek
[10:40] Delia Lake: ok
[10:41] Tanoujin Milestone: Would you like to show it, Anti?
[10:41] anti Wirefly: yes I would love criticism lol
[10:41] Tanoujin Milestone: lol
[10:41] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:41] Shep Titian: LOL
[10:41] anti Wirefly: 9it is my first house
[10:41] Rosie Gray: oh how exciting!
[10:41] Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest, we visit, anti's first
[10:41] Rosie Gray: sure
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: what is second? Mor but three may overcharge us
[10:42] Sudane Erato: are we adjourning?... or does the mtg continue?
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: good question
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: i would keep the criticism non public to be honest
[10:42] anti Wirefly: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Xandia/11/57/2401
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: do we adjourn? All in agreement?
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: I am
[10:43] Sudane Erato: fine with me
[10:43] Tanoujin Milestone: lets vote
[10:43] Pip Torok: i am
[10:43] Rosie Gray: sure... and we go look at Anti's house
[10:43] Delia Lake: yes
[10:43] Bagheera Kristan: I'm not a member yet - LOL - but I agree
[10:43] Shep Titian: I'll go along with whatever loll