Finance Commission Chatlog 2 June 30, 2010 7:OO PM SLT

[Tor Karlsvalt]

[2010/06/30 19:02] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Cleo
[2010/06/30 19:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hi
[2010/06/30 19:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is anyone welcome here
[2010/06/30 19:02] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 19:02] Tor Karlsvalt: But we might have a bad time
[2010/06/30 19:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why
[2010/06/30 19:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hello muhamm.
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Earlier we had six pple
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: not sure
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Muh
[2010/06/30 19:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats all the letters you get
[2010/06/30 19:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 7
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: we are just waiting a bit.
[2010/06/30 19:03] muhammedyussif Wikinger: HiCleo and Tor - good morning
[2010/06/30 19:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: good morning
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: some are at complie
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: compline
[2010/06/30 19:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what complie
[2010/06/30 19:03] Tor Karlsvalt: compline, it is an evening prayer
[2010/06/30 19:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oh
[2010/06/30 19:04] Tor Karlsvalt: we can wait a bit and I will catch you up
[2010/06/30 19:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I made spreadsheet showing some of our estimagted revenue and expenses.
[2010/06/30 19:05] Tor Karlsvalt: let me get it
[2010/06/30 19:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i was at a fashion contest
[2010/06/30 19:06] muhammedyussif Wikinger: So that explaines your fashion hat
[2010/06/30 19:06] Tor Karlsvalt: this is the link
[2010/06/30 19:06] Tor Karlsvalt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... l=en#gid=0
[2010/06/30 19:06] Tor Karlsvalt: those number are from the last budget back in oct 09
[2010/06/30 19:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no i made this its for sale in my shop
[2010/06/30 19:07] Tor Karlsvalt: posted by jamie
[2010/06/30 19:07] Tor Karlsvalt: looks nice
[2010/06/30 19:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the contest i wasnt in i was just watching
[2010/06/30 19:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thank you
[2010/06/30 19:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: im sorry but revenue is for what time period
[2010/06/30 19:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: a fiscal year starting when and ending when
[2010/06/30 19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: did it say?
[2010/06/30 19:08] Tor Karlsvalt: So this morning the consensus was that after expenses we would give each of the cultural commissions the balance equally
[2010/06/30 19:08] Tor Karlsvalt: um not really
[2010/06/30 19:08] Tor Karlsvalt: but it was in octover 09
[2010/06/30 19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the numbers are completely meaning less
[2010/06/30 19:08] Tor Karlsvalt: so I guess through 12/09
[2010/06/30 19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: with no time.. is this per day
[2010/06/30 19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we cant guess
[2010/06/30 19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: im sorry but you have know income for what length of time
[2010/06/30 19:09] Tor Karlsvalt: i updated it wisth estimates
[2010/06/30 19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol this is
[2010/06/30 19:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, but we did not get a budget last term
[2010/06/30 19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so you suppose these are monthly numbers
[2010/06/30 19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oct through dec?
[2010/06/30 19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that istwo months
[2010/06/30 19:09] Tor Karlsvalt: currently we have a surplus of over 10K
[2010/06/30 19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes but Tor, stop
[2010/06/30 19:09] Tor Karlsvalt: and the revenue is only what we ill be taking in each month
[2010/06/30 19:10] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[2010/06/30 19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its monthly?
[2010/06/30 19:10] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 19:10] Tor Karlsvalt: this is what we take in and speand monthly.
[2010/06/30 19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: okay thank you it didnt say that
[2010/06/30 19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sonja is here
[2010/06/30 19:10] Tor Karlsvalt: on my estimates we have $330.00 UDS per month
[2010/06/30 19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats good she knows about this stuff
[2010/06/30 19:11] Sonja Strom: hi everybody
[2010/06/30 19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you have sculpty bloomers on ?
[2010/06/30 19:11] Tor Karlsvalt: ok hi sonja
[2010/06/30 19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hi
[2010/06/30 19:11] Tor Karlsvalt: just a housekeeping thing
[2010/06/30 19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Hi
[2010/06/30 19:11] Tor Karlsvalt: note the sign behind me.
[2010/06/30 19:11] Tor Karlsvalt: this meeting will be recorded
[2010/06/30 19:12] Tor Karlsvalt: if you speak you are consenting to being recordedn and your statements entred in the forum transcript
[2010/06/30 19:12] Tor Karlsvalt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... l=en#gid=0
[2010/06/30 19:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Sonja, that is an estimated monthly expense/revenure statement
[2010/06/30 19:13] Tor Karlsvalt: We wanted to discuss how we would fund the cultral commissions.
[2010/06/30 19:14] Sonja Strom: thank you
[2010/06/30 19:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what are the cultural commisions
[2010/06/30 19:14] Tor Karlsvalt: earlier we fetl that after all expenses and a reserve payment, we would give each cultural commissin an equal share
[2010/06/30 19:14] Tor Karlsvalt: There are three
[2010/06/30 19:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Roman, Alpine and AA
[2010/06/30 19:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what happens to nfs
[2010/06/30 19:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is it alpine
[2010/06/30 19:15] Tor Karlsvalt: then at mid term the chancellor could assess if money needed to be realocated
[2010/06/30 19:15] Tor Karlsvalt: NFS is in the Alpine Region
[2010/06/30 19:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: k
[2010/06/30 19:15] Tor Karlsvalt: so that seemed to work for us this morning
[2010/06/30 19:16] Tor Karlsvalt: the numbers I showed were only based on what Jamie had posted in his budget
[2010/06/30 19:16] Tor Karlsvalt: that does not seem acceptable
[2010/06/30 19:16] Tor Karlsvalt: then we talked about reparcelling the large parcel in AM to generate more income
[2010/06/30 19:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aww.. the one in the northwest corner?
[2010/06/30 19:17] Tor Karlsvalt: we all felt that RA should ask the New Guild to look at the matter and consider some prim farm land
[2010/06/30 19:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: making it smaller?
[2010/06/30 19:17] Tor Karlsvalt: tes
[2010/06/30 19:17] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 19:17] Tor Karlsvalt: it has not sold for more than six months
[2010/06/30 19:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i used to own it
[2010/06/30 19:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: might be jinxed
[2010/06/30 19:18] Sonja Strom: hehe
[2010/06/30 19:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i couldnt have built the house on a smaller lot the one i built its a really sloped lot
[2010/06/30 19:18] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it should be re-parcelled in about three parcels or all or a portion of it could be prim land
[2010/06/30 19:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: prim land is that needed now, its a double prim sim already
[2010/06/30 19:19] Tor Karlsvalt: true, I know i could use some more prims.
[2010/06/30 19:19] Tor Karlsvalt: I now pip was originally keen on the idea
[2010/06/30 19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that lot is too steep thats whats hard to make it work
[2010/06/30 19:19] Tor Karlsvalt: well prim land would keep it meadow.
[2010/06/30 19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if people need prim land then that seems reasonable.
[2010/06/30 19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sure.
[2010/06/30 19:19] Tor Karlsvalt: and it does not all need to be prim land
[2010/06/30 19:20] Tor Karlsvalt: but is seems it is to large to sell now.
[2010/06/30 19:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Then we wanted to discuss the size of the reserve and what the contribution should be
[2010/06/30 19:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont think its cos its large but .. doesnt matter if its not selling
[2010/06/30 19:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: k
[2010/06/30 19:21] Tor Karlsvalt: i agree too Cleo, she slope might be a proble for builders
[2010/06/30 19:21] Tor Karlsvalt: So right now Sudane wants 25 percent of our net revenue to be set aside for reserve
[2010/06/30 19:22] Tor Karlsvalt: the law requires us to have one month tier in reserve
[2010/06/30 19:22] Tor Karlsvalt: we now have over 10K
[2010/06/30 19:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: only one month?
[2010/06/30 19:22] Tor Karlsvalt: but we do owe considerable tier on Gen and ALH
[2010/06/30 19:22] Tor Karlsvalt: um yes
[2010/06/30 19:22] Tor Karlsvalt: hold on
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why ? why do we own tier
[2010/06/30 19:23] muhammedyussif Wikinger: owe
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes ty
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: owe
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why do we own considerable tier
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sorry owe
[2010/06/30 19:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and why is it we??
[2010/06/30 19:23] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I think we pay tier income in advance to Linden
[2010/06/30 19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why does CDS owe andalus tier
[2010/06/30 19:24] Tor Karlsvalt: well it is just that tier for Generalife and Al Ahambra is due july 7
[2010/06/30 19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and CDS pays it now
[2010/06/30 19:24] Tor Karlsvalt: I understand that the tier on those two are paid annually
[2010/06/30 19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: then why is land for sale going to roses personal account when you buy AA land why then is CDS paying the tier
[2010/06/30 19:24] Tor Karlsvalt: well AA has been paying tier all year toward this
[2010/06/30 19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am so confused
[2010/06/30 19:24] muhammedyussif Wikinger: every half year I think
[2010/06/30 19:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is our money comingled now?
[2010/06/30 19:25] Tor Karlsvalt: um I think Rose must turn that over to sudane
[2010/06/30 19:25] Tor Karlsvalt: but we can ask her
[2010/06/30 19:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is the CDS money and the AA money all mixed now??
[2010/06/30 19:25] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes
[2010/06/30 19:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: well i know when i went to buy land the payments went to rose so i didnt buy it
[2010/06/30 19:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
[2010/06/30 19:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I know that rose owns the tier boxes in AA but they are scripted to pay the tier to Rudeen
[2010/06/30 19:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Sonja, do you know any more than I on this/
[2010/06/30 19:26] Sonja Strom: no, not really
[2010/06/30 19:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: when did all our income become one, this is kinda dangerous comingling our money before we are legally married
[2010/06/30 19:26] Sonja Strom: I can try to find out more
[2010/06/30 19:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: how did all the CDS and AA money now become one pot of gold.
[2010/06/30 19:26] muhammedyussif Wikinger: the merger was one year ago
[2010/06/30 19:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thanks i would like to know that.
[2010/06/30 19:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Well as I understand it we have really been merged since July 09
[2010/06/30 19:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane and Rose worked out the details.
[2010/06/30 19:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i bet they did
[2010/06/30 19:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia:
[2010/06/30 19:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2010/06/30 19:27] Sonja Strom: There has been a separate accounting done (with different systems) for AA and the original CDS sims.
[2010/06/30 19:27] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[2010/06/30 19:28] Sonja Strom: I am not sure who has what funds...
[2010/06/30 19:28] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Sudane always posts the income from AA
[2010/06/30 19:28] Tor Karlsvalt: i have a sheet of my one that I compiled from the statements
[2010/06/30 19:28] Sonja Strom: Rose has kept her own accounting for the AA sims too.
[2010/06/30 19:28] muhammedyussif Wikinger: In the forum there are a graph of the variation og costs
[2010/06/30 19:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I can share it later
[2010/06/30 19:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the ten k you speak about did that then automatically become part of AA"s as well
[2010/06/30 19:29] Tor Karlsvalt: no not all of it
[2010/06/30 19:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: how much of it, do you know sonja
[2010/06/30 19:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I know some will be paid out in July for Gen and ALH
[2010/06/30 19:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: /me shakes her head.
[2010/06/30 19:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so now AA has access to the money CDS has saved over the past several years
[2010/06/30 19:30] Tor Karlsvalt: the annual tier for those two sims is $1770.00 USD
[2010/06/30 19:30] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I think so
[2010/06/30 19:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no wonder they wanted the merger
[2010/06/30 19:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: theres a good reason
[2010/06/30 19:30] Tor Karlsvalt: well this money was paid by AA
[2010/06/30 19:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it was what 7 thousand usd.
[2010/06/30 19:30] Tor Karlsvalt: they have been paying it all year
[2010/06/30 19:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no i mean when the merger happened .. for years CDS has been saving money.
[2010/06/30 19:30] Tor Karlsvalt: and I calculate that they pay more than just make tier
[2010/06/30 19:30] muhammedyussif Wikinger: CDS is a gold goose for AA
[2010/06/30 19:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Really tho we are just paying from what was collected from AA
[2010/06/30 19:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok but im not only talking about that one tier payment i am just asking if AA now has access to all the savings we , CDS had accumulated over the previous years.. how much savings did AA have at the time of the merger.
[2010/06/30 19:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: was it equal? do you know sonja?
[2010/06/30 19:32] Tor Karlsvalt: don't think it had any, but I really am not qualified to speak on that
[2010/06/30 19:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so AA had no savings.. and CDS had 7 thousand or so usd
[2010/06/30 19:32] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I think we should ask >Sudane to exolain it
[2010/06/30 19:32] Tor Karlsvalt: i think that is right
[2010/06/30 19:32] muhammedyussif Wikinger: explain
[2010/06/30 19:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes that is quite an interesting fact i think
[2010/06/30 19:32] Tor Karlsvalt: true, that is where we left off this morning
[2010/06/30 19:33] Tor Karlsvalt: we though we could arrange a meetign with sudane
[2010/06/30 19:33] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: good idea
[2010/06/30 19:33] Tor Karlsvalt: going to shoot for Saturday on that
[2010/06/30 19:33] Sonja Strom: I am happy to help with what I can, but I can only say 1) what I think, or 2) that I will help to find out the answers...
[2010/06/30 19:33] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: kk
[2010/06/30 19:33] Sonja Strom: we do have some resources
[2010/06/30 19:34] Tor Karlsvalt: well what do you think is ok
[2010/06/30 19:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Really CDS seems in good shape
[2010/06/30 19:34] Tor Karlsvalt: even with AA
[2010/06/30 19:34] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thousands of USA dollars.. and AA had no savings
[2010/06/30 19:34] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats not the point
[2010/06/30 19:34] Tor Karlsvalt: and AA is not a draine
[2010/06/30 19:34] Sonja Strom: what I think, what my understanding is,
[2010/06/30 19:34] Sonja Strom: is that overall AA loses a little bit of money over time.
[2010/06/30 19:35] Sonja Strom: I know that is an unpopular view with some people,
[2010/06/30 19:35] Tor Karlsvalt: let me try to upload my sheet
[2010/06/30 19:35] Sonja Strom: but I think it is defensible anyway...
[2010/06/30 19:35] Sonja Strom: I mean, we can work on improving things however we want
[2010/06/30 19:35] Sonja Strom: I don't think it loses a lot of money
[2010/06/30 19:36] Sonja Strom: events and public land are some of its bigger expenses
[2010/06/30 19:36] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and the old CDS benefits on the attraction of AA
[2010/06/30 19:36] Sonja Strom: but overall the CDS is healthy financially
[2010/06/30 19:36] Sonja Strom: yes, I agree muammed
[2010/06/30 19:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: only if you like AA
[2010/06/30 19:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree too
[2010/06/30 19:37] Sonja Strom: so I don't think we have to worry,
[2010/06/30 19:37] Tor Karlsvalt: I tihnk AA covers its tier.
[2010/06/30 19:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: personally i think its not a benefit at all to CDS
[2010/06/30 19:37] Sonja Strom: or be angry,
[2010/06/30 19:37] Tor Karlsvalt: you could argue that it could contribute more toward the reserve etc
[2010/06/30 19:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
[2010/06/30 19:37] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[2010/06/30 19:37] Sonja Strom: only to be honest and work on whatever it is we want to work toward
[2010/06/30 19:37] Tor Karlsvalt: i agree sonja
[2010/06/30 19:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if you like AA thats great
[2010/06/30 19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats not how i see things at all, but thats just my opinion
[2010/06/30 19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and non of my business really
[2010/06/30 19:38] Sonja Strom: I respect your opinion Cleopatra.... we can have differing opinions in our community
[2010/06/30 19:39] Sonja Strom: I am glad for everybody to give their opinion, and view, unless they are a non-citizen always only being negative about us
[2010/06/30 19:40] Sonja Strom: even then they have a right to say it, but I would question their motivation
[2010/06/30 19:40] Tor Karlsvalt: can't get it, it looses all the formulas when I upload it
[2010/06/30 19:40] Tor Karlsvalt: But I assure you AA is covering its tier
[2010/06/30 19:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am adamantly opposed to the merger. as a long time citizen of CDS
[2010/06/30 19:40] Tor Karlsvalt: i will get for you all later
[2010/06/30 19:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but it now has access to our savings.. that is the point
[2010/06/30 19:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i was trying to make
[2010/06/30 19:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: not that it doesnt cover its tier
[2010/06/30 19:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we could have taken that money and built our own sims
[2010/06/30 19:41] Tor Karlsvalt: The RA, Sudane and the Chancellor still control it
[2010/06/30 19:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Well lets talk about the reserve still
[2010/06/30 19:42] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I think it is the events that is too expensive with beer and dancing
[2010/06/30 19:42] Tor Karlsvalt: do we need more than one month in reserve
[2010/06/30 19:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but we were sort of taken over slowly from within .. thats how i saw it.. .. so thats just my opinion
[2010/06/30 19:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: YES!
[2010/06/30 19:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: or no@
[2010/06/30 19:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if we really free up the reserve we can spend more money on AA events
[2010/06/30 19:42] Tor Karlsvalt: We could lower tier
[2010/06/30 19:43] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[2010/06/30 19:43] Sonja Strom: hehe
[2010/06/30 19:43] Tor Karlsvalt: we could lower our tier
[2010/06/30 19:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think CDS should start paying for all the AA freeland and events
[2010/06/30 19:43] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2010/06/30 19:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: out of our rserve we saved
[2010/06/30 19:43] Tor Karlsvalt: We might as well buy an island or two in SLNE
[2010/06/30 19:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i mean really, its our duty isnt it
[2010/06/30 19:43] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: funny we don't have a huge group of people in SLNE and CDS
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but we do in AA and CDS
[2010/06/30 19:44] muhammedyussif Wikinger: perhaps the old CDS will sell more parcel beacause of that
[2010/06/30 19:44] Tor Karlsvalt: true,
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the reason we don't is so blindingly apparent
[2010/06/30 19:44] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: LOL
[2010/06/30 19:44] Tor Karlsvalt: if tier were a little lower we might
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: old CDS will do what?
[2010/06/30 19:44] muhammedyussif Wikinger: sell parcels
[2010/06/30 19:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the cost has NOTHING to do with why people don't buy CDS land
[2010/06/30 19:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: get real.
[2010/06/30 19:45] Tor Karlsvalt: well one thing we were taling about was raising money
[2010/06/30 19:45] muhammedyussif Wikinger: if they visit AA the discover CDS
[2010/06/30 19:45] Tor Karlsvalt: so what can we do, Cleo?
[2010/06/30 19:45] muhammedyussif Wikinger: they
[2010/06/30 19:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I do think that is true Muh
[2010/06/30 19:45] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok - just a guess
[2010/06/30 19:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: first i think AA needs to keep completely out of the CDS money
[2010/06/30 19:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and CDS should start expanding sepaarately
[2010/06/30 19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: buy a few sims that are CDS and CDS alone..
[2010/06/30 19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the greek ones people wanted etc.
[2010/06/30 19:46] Tor Karlsvalt: It might come to that anyway, but for other reasons.
[2010/06/30 19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: let AA pay its own way
[2010/06/30 19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and definely have no access to our old rserve
[2010/06/30 19:46] Tor Karlsvalt: ok that is one idea.
[2010/06/30 19:47] Tor Karlsvalt: do we need such a large reserve tho
[2010/06/30 19:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: WE DO
[2010/06/30 19:47] Tor Karlsvalt: even if we don't have AA
[2010/06/30 19:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I am sure the people of AA do not want CDS to have a reserve so they can spend it
[2010/06/30 19:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes CDS need to keep its money it earned and saved and build more CDS only sims
[2010/06/30 19:47] Tor Karlsvalt: but we have checks on that
[2010/06/30 19:47] Tor Karlsvalt: the RA for one.
[2010/06/30 19:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: my story and im stickin to it
[2010/06/30 19:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bye
[2010/06/30 19:48] Tor Karlsvalt: ok thanks for coming
[2010/06/30 19:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I need to just say that Cleo was very good today.
[2010/06/30 19:48] Tor Karlsvalt: I personally do not share all of her views but she was a good paricipant.
[2010/06/30 19:49] Tor Karlsvalt: We need all our ppl and there ideas.
[2010/06/30 19:50] Tor Karlsvalt: so sonja you have any ideas on what the reserve should be
[2010/06/30 19:50] Tor Karlsvalt: seems one month would probably cover us.
[2010/06/30 19:50] Tor Karlsvalt: we could keep two for good measure
[2010/06/30 19:50] muhammedyussif Wikinger: but the semiannual costs must be covered
[2010/06/30 19:51] Tor Karlsvalt: doubtful all the sims would crash to such an extend we would have no income
[2010/06/30 19:51] Sonja Strom: I think it should large enough to be a reserve fund,
[2010/06/30 19:51] Sonja Strom: for difficult times...
[2010/06/30 19:51] Sonja Strom: like we have had a couple of times
[2010/06/30 19:51] Tor Karlsvalt: sure, but at most two months.
[2010/06/30 19:51] Sonja Strom: and for new special projects
[2010/06/30 19:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally what is saved for AA tier is separate and not really the reserver
[2010/06/30 19:51] Tor Karlsvalt: reserve
[2010/06/30 19:52] Sonja Strom: for example, without the fund we have had, we would not have been able to have had the merger with AA
[2010/06/30 19:52] muhammedyussif Wikinger: According to Sudane it is paied by the reserves
[2010/06/30 19:52] muhammedyussif Wikinger: payed
[2010/06/30 19:52] Sonja Strom: that is what Sudane has told me a couple of times
[2010/06/30 19:52] Tor Karlsvalt: yes and no
[2010/06/30 19:52] Tor Karlsvalt: no i mean the reserve does not pay the tier on aa
[2010/06/30 19:53] muhammedyussif Wikinger: 25% of the reserves are used for that
[2010/06/30 19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: we hold back 25 percent of the net net revenue toward he reserver
[2010/06/30 19:53] Sonja Strom: if we go to buy a new sim, it costs more than one month's tier
[2010/06/30 19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: no muh
[2010/06/30 19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: the tier is taken out before the reserver contibution.
[2010/06/30 19:54] muhammedyussif Wikinger: oh dear
[2010/06/30 19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: well we can be comfortable with it.
[2010/06/30 19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: that is fine too
[2010/06/30 19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: it seems a bit much money to let lying around.
[2010/06/30 19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: it is almost $90 USD per month.
[2010/06/30 19:55] Sonja Strom: I don't know if we need continue building as big of a reserve as we have been...
[2010/06/30 19:55] Sonja Strom: we could consider lowering the amount that we are adding to it
[2010/06/30 19:55] Tor Karlsvalt: OK we can continue to look at the issue and get more info from Sudane
[2010/06/30 19:56] Tor Karlsvalt: yes I agree
[2010/06/30 19:56] Tor Karlsvalt: maybe 10 percent
[2010/06/30 19:56] Sonja Strom: I don't think we should reduce the reserve to just one month's tier though
[2010/06/30 19:56] Sonja Strom: maybe
[2010/06/30 19:56] Sonja Strom: that could make sense
[2010/06/30 19:56] Tor Karlsvalt: well we need better figures
[2010/06/30 19:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I admitt mine are estimates
[2010/06/30 19:56] Sonja Strom: there were a couple of months two terms ago where the CDS lost a fair amount of money
[2010/06/30 19:57] Tor Karlsvalt: really
[2010/06/30 19:57] Sonja Strom: yes
[2010/06/30 19:57] Tor Karlsvalt: before my time
[2010/06/30 19:57] Sonja Strom: it was good that we had the reserve
[2010/06/30 19:57] Tor Karlsvalt: why was that?
[2010/06/30 19:57] muhammedyussif Wikinger: what happend?
[2010/06/30 19:58] Sonja Strom: I think it was mostly because a number of landowners left and abandoned their land
[2010/06/30 19:58] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[2010/06/30 19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ouch
[2010/06/30 19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope not because of the forums.
[2010/06/30 19:58] Sonja Strom: so the CDS suddenly had a fair amount of land with no fees being paid on it
[2010/06/30 19:58] Sonja Strom: I don't know if it was explained...
[2010/06/30 19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: We need to look at collections too
[2010/06/30 19:59] Sonja Strom: that was around the time the whole of SL began to slow down
[2010/06/30 19:59] Sonja Strom: and I think it happened in the CDS some too
[2010/06/30 19:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane was tellinb me of some issues with ppl not paying and then selling thier land
[2010/06/30 19:59] Tor Karlsvalt: oh
[2010/06/30 19:59] Sonja Strom: but probably there were other individual reasons
[2010/06/30 19:59] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2010/06/30 19:59] Sonja Strom: yes, Sudane told me about that too
[2010/06/30 20:00] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we should go with hippo
[2010/06/30 20:00] muhammedyussif Wikinger: so reserves are needed
[2010/06/30 20:00] Tor Karlsvalt: well we need to boot the scofflaws first
[2010/06/30 20:00] Tor Karlsvalt: I say they get thier warning and we then remoe their rights to land
[2010/06/30 20:00] Tor Karlsvalt: if it isn't paid in a month, then boot
[2010/06/30 20:01] Sonja Strom: it would be good if we simplified the law about nonpayment of tier
[2010/06/30 20:01] Sonja Strom: it is complex
[2010/06/30 20:01] Tor Karlsvalt: well the law has a loophole
[2010/06/30 20:01] Sonja Strom: that too
[2010/06/30 20:01] Tor Karlsvalt: if you own more than one parcel we can't seize any of it cuz there is no way to pre-pay tier
[2010/06/30 20:02] Tor Karlsvalt: So one, ,hippo woudl slove that problem of pre-paying
[2010/06/30 20:02] muhammedyussif Wikinger: "hippo"?
[2010/06/30 20:02] Tor Karlsvalt: second we reallyneed to just hold land for anyone in arrears more than two weeks
[2010/06/30 20:02] Tor Karlsvalt: two more weeks if not paid they loose itall
[2010/06/30 20:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Hippo is a rental collection system
[2010/06/30 20:03] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[2010/06/30 20:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hold on
[2010/06/30 20:03] Tor Karlsvalt: http://www.hippo-technologies.co.uk/index.php
[2010/06/30 20:03] muhammedyussif Wikinger: thanks
[2010/06/30 20:04] Tor Karlsvalt: many real estate regions use this system
[2010/06/30 20:04] Tor Karlsvalt: AA uses it
[2010/06/30 20:04] Tor Karlsvalt: It would allow for multiple managers too]
[2010/06/30 20:04] Tor Karlsvalt: take some of the burden off Sudane
[2010/06/30 20:04] Tor Karlsvalt: and give more reports I understand
[2010/06/30 20:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I just leaned of a hippo learning center.
[2010/06/30 20:05] Tor Karlsvalt: when i get the LM I will send it out.
[2010/06/30 20:05] muhammedyussif Wikinger:
[2010/06/30 20:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I just feel if you are two weeks late, you should loose control of your land
[2010/06/30 20:05] Tor Karlsvalt: so you can just sell it and then skip
[2010/06/30 20:06] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2010/06/30 20:06] Tor Karlsvalt: my tirade is over
[2010/06/30 20:06] Sonja Strom: lol
[2010/06/30 20:06] muhammedyussif Wikinger:
[2010/06/30 20:06] Tor Karlsvalt: it just irks me when some freeloads.
[2010/06/30 20:07] Tor Karlsvalt: oh Sonja congrats I think
[2010/06/30 20:07] Sonja Strom: congrats?
[2010/06/30 20:07] muhammedyussif Wikinger: it is always a problem when to say no more
[2010/06/30 20:07] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2010/06/30 20:07] Tor Karlsvalt: did you win chancellor?
[2010/06/30 20:07] muhammedyussif Wikinger: to early loose money - to late loose money
[2010/06/30 20:07] Sonja Strom: yes, it has always been difficult
[2010/06/30 20:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 20:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I usually jump in to a silence when I shouldn't
[2010/06/30 20:08] Sonja Strom: no, the RA still has not decided
[2010/06/30 20:08] Tor Karlsvalt: oh opps
[2010/06/30 20:08] Sonja Strom: so far as I know
[2010/06/30 20:08] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It depends on Cindys morals
[2010/06/30 20:09] Tor Karlsvalt: no not really Muh
[2010/06/30 20:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I suspect it will be resolved.
[2010/06/30 20:09] Tor Karlsvalt: we can't go on like this for too long
[2010/06/30 20:09] Tor Karlsvalt: long enough really
[2010/06/30 20:10] Tor Karlsvalt: we need a budget and work on new sim etc
[2010/06/30 20:10] Tor Karlsvalt: so fund raising
[2010/06/30 20:10] Tor Karlsvalt: any ideas
[2010/06/30 20:10] Sonja Strom: yes, it would be good
[2010/06/30 20:10] Sonja Strom: ideas for?
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: I was thinking we could donate for the new schloss
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: fund raising othr than tier.
[2010/06/30 20:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: why do we need that?
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: by a prim
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: buy a prim
[2010/06/30 20:11] Sonja Strom: that's a cute idea
[2010/06/30 20:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: schloss?
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: just to protect the reserve
[2010/06/30 20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: it gets worse sonya I had a slogan
[2010/06/30 20:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Pay on a Prim POP
[2010/06/30 20:12] Sonja Strom: hahaa
[2010/06/30 20:12] Tor Karlsvalt: we could sell POP buttons
[2010/06/30 20:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Pop corn?
[2010/06/30 20:12] Tor Karlsvalt: hey no bad
[2010/06/30 20:13] Sonja Strom: POP music?
[2010/06/30 20:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[2010/06/30 20:13] Tor Karlsvalt: we could sell pop corn
[2010/06/30 20:13] Sonja Strom: POP Nonstop
[2010/06/30 20:13] Tor Karlsvalt: and a dance with pop music
[2010/06/30 20:13] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2010/06/30 20:13] Sonja Strom: hahaa
[2010/06/30 20:13] Sonja Strom: good idea!
[2010/06/30 20:13] Sonja Strom:
[2010/06/30 20:14] Tor Karlsvalt: we could have fest for the the new Schloss
[2010/06/30 20:14] Tor Karlsvalt: well not it is in the record and we can see if anyone grones.
[2010/06/30 20:14] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2010/06/30 20:14] Sonja Strom: good luck!
[2010/06/30 20:14] Sonja Strom:
[2010/06/30 20:15] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[2010/06/30 20:15] Tor Karlsvalt: speaking of fests, when do we need to start planning Oktoberfest
[2010/06/30 20:15] Tor Karlsvalt: I know muh
[2010/06/30 20:16] Sonja Strom: beginning soon
[2010/06/30 20:16] Tor Karlsvalt: but if my tier is going to keep the mosque in good shape I need a party.
[2010/06/30 20:16] Tor Karlsvalt: it is good marketing for CDS too
[2010/06/30 20:16] Sonja Strom: I have been talking with some residents of the alpine area about having a committee meeting
[2010/06/30 20:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: that's a good reason
[2010/06/30 20:16] Sonja Strom: and we can talk about it there
[2010/06/30 20:16] Tor Karlsvalt: ok great
[2010/06/30 20:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Jamie had 45000 linden for the last Oktoberfest
[2010/06/30 20:17] Tor Karlsvalt: i think Feria was more.
[2010/06/30 20:17] Tor Karlsvalt: but I think bigger.
[2010/06/30 20:17] Tor Karlsvalt: I loved oktoverfest tho
[2010/06/30 20:18] Sonja Strom: yes, it was fun
[2010/06/30 20:18] Tor Karlsvalt: so nothing much changed.
[2010/06/30 20:18] Tor Karlsvalt: we cand discuss more topics in future meetings
[2010/06/30 20:19] Sonja Strom: yes
[2010/06/30 20:19] Tor Karlsvalt: but I will try and post a report brefore next RA
[2010/06/30 20:19] Sonja Strom: although, we covered a lot of topics in this meeting already
[2010/06/30 20:19] Sonja Strom: thank you
[2010/06/30 20:19] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks,
[2010/06/30 20:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: when will next meeting be?
[2010/06/30 20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I am going to see if Sudane is free on saturday
[2010/06/30 20:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[2010/06/30 20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: is that good for you two.
[2010/06/30 20:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: wait for that then
[2010/06/30 20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2010/06/30 20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I will post the transcrips for both of these meetings
[2010/06/30 20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: and see if she is available
[2010/06/30 20:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes - if I know in advance - my wife want a trip to the bathing place
[2010/06/30 20:20] Sonja Strom: a Saturday would be good for me
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I would like to have one meeting with her before next RA
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: oh wow muh
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: sounds good
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I would hope it would be in mornign
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: say about 7 am SLT
[2010/06/30 20:21] Sonja Strom: that's ok for me
[2010/06/30 20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: that is 9 for me
[2010/06/30 20:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I think most of US and Euro could make it.
[2010/06/30 20:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and 4 pm for me - but it will work hopefully
[2010/06/30 20:22] Tor Karlsvalt: well muh you have been to two, so maybe youi would be ok
[2010/06/30 20:23] Tor Karlsvalt: I will keep you informed
[2010/06/30 20:23] muhammedyussif Wikinger: good
[2010/06/30 20:23] Tor Karlsvalt: the next RA is for 7/10
[2010/06/30 20:23] Tor Karlsvalt: hope I can make that
[2010/06/30 20:23] Tor Karlsvalt: I will try. sometimes I have to work OT.
[2010/06/30 20:24] muhammedyussif Wikinger: well
[2010/06/30 20:24] Tor Karlsvalt: yes unless anyone as something the meeting is over
[2010/06/30 20:24] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2010/06/30 20:24] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok - thanks - see you
[2010/06/30 20:25] Sonja Strom: thanks,
[2010/06/30 20:25] Tor Karlsvalt: ok muh, see you later
[2010/06/30 20:25] Sonja Strom: see you
[2010/06/30 20:25] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks for paricipating
[2010/06/30 20:25] Tor Karlsvalt: you too sonja
[2010/06/30 20:25] Sonja Strom:
[2010/06/30 20:25] Sonja Strom: /me waves bye
[2010/06/30 20:25] Tor Karlsvalt: bye