Transcript RA Meeting September 11, 2022

[Jerry McNally]

[2022/09/11 12:03] Almut Brunswick: Dear CDS citizens and friends, honorable members of the SC, dear Chancellor and hiya, dear fellow RA members. Welcome to our 6th RA meeting of this 37th term. Hereby, I call this meeting to order.
[2022/09/11 12:03] Almut Brunswick: Please make sure you have an appropriate typing indicator active. Regarding the agenda, it is in the blue cube as always, so please help yourself.
[2022/09/11 12:04] Almut Brunswick: 1 Administrative Business
1.1 Approval of the Agenda
[2022/09/11 12:05] Brian Livingston: I move to approve the agenda as proposed
[2022/09/11 12:05] Rosie Gray: second
[2022/09/11 12:05] Almut Brunswick: When there is no further need to correct my scribbling , let's vote please.
[2022/09/11 12:05] Agatha Macbeth: Aye
[2022/09/11 12:05] Rosie Gray: aye
[2022/09/11 12:05] Brian Livingston: Aye
[2022/09/11 12:05] Jerry McNally: Numbers and dates check out - again! - so aye from me
[2022/09/11 12:05] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[2022/09/11 12:06] Almut Brunswick: hehe, phew, I waited for that statement, Jerry - thank you!
[2022/09/11 12:06] Almut Brunswick: 1.2 Review and approval of the Minutes of the Fifth RA Meeting on August 27, 2022
https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?t=10066
[2022/09/11 12:06] Rosie Gray: Motion to accept the Minutes as presented
[2022/09/11 12:06] Brian Livingston: Seconded
[2022/09/11 12:06] Almut Brunswick: Meticulous as always, thank you Jerry.
[2022/09/11 12:07] Jerry McNally: you're welcome
[2022/09/11 12:07] Almut Brunswick: When there is no further need to discuss, let's approve it by our vote.
[2022/09/11 12:07] Agatha Macbeth: Aye
[2022/09/11 12:07] Rosie Gray: aye
[2022/09/11 12:07] Jerry McNally: aye
[2022/09/11 12:07] Brian Livingston: Aye
[2022/09/11 12:07] Almut Brunswick: Aye. Thank you!
[2022/09/11 12:07] Almut Brunswick: 2 Executive Report (Tor)
[2022/09/11 12:07] Almut Brunswick: Mr. Chancellor, you have the stage!
[2022/09/11 12:08] Rosie Gray: he's not online
[2022/09/11 12:08] Almut Brunswick: ouch
[2022/09/11 12:08] Jerry McNally: Did I hear he may join us soon?
[2022/09/11 12:08] Almut Brunswick: I've talked to him some minutes ago
[2022/09/11 12:08] Lilith Ivory: he was on 30 minitures ago and said he will be back if the updated viewer allows it
[2022/09/11 12:08] Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
[2022/09/11 12:08] Jerry McNally: technology, eh?
[2022/09/11 12:09] Agatha Macbeth: Is it that bad?
[2022/09/11 12:09] Almut Brunswick: Ok, let's table this topic for now and come back when he is available again.
[2022/09/11 12:09] Brian Livingston: I propose we table the topic for... nevermind
[2022/09/11 12:09] Almut Brunswick: For *later*, Brian
[2022/09/11 12:09] Brian Livingston: Great minds
[2022/09/11 12:09] Almut Brunswick: 3 Land-Use Commission Report (Agatha)
[2022/09/11 12:09] Agatha Macbeth: /me stands
[2022/09/11 12:09] Agatha Macbeth: Thank you LRA.
[2022/09/11 12:10] Agatha Macbeth: There was a LUC Meeting yesterday (September 10). The following is a brief report on the points that were discussed:
[2022/09/11 12:10] Agatha Macbeth: 1) A real pathway to the catacombs in Colonia Nova:
[2022/09/11 12:10] Agatha Macbeth: A plan has been made and a proposal written to present to the Chancellor. The proposal was voted on by the LUC and will be sent to the Chancellor for approval so we can get his permission to start work. Development will commence as soon as we have approval.
[2022/09/11 12:10] Agatha Macbeth: (Hopefully Tor will say yes!
[2022/09/11 12:11] Agatha Macbeth: The current terrain will be removed and replaced with prim land which can be done quickly, but replacing the theater will take longer.
[2022/09/11 12:11] Agatha Macbeth: Consequently either the landforms will need to temporarily fit with the existing theater or the theater will be replaced first, whichever suits the builders best.
[2022/09/11 12:11] Agatha Macbeth: Moon has volunteered to do the theater and has already begun the process of collecting visual references. Sudane will do the terrraforming. The tunnels will be a collaborative project.
[2022/09/11 12:12] Agatha Macbeth: Moon says she will present a few pictures at the next LUC meeting.
[2022/09/11 12:12] Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully the entire project can be completed or at least moved forward a lot by the end of this term (December 1).
[2022/09/11 12:12] Jerry McNally: /me thinks it sounds very exciting
[2022/09/11 12:12] Agatha Macbeth: 2) Historical educational signage:
[2022/09/11 12:12] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2022/09/11 12:12] Almut Brunswick: Yes, the LUC are busy bees!
[2022/09/11 12:12] Agatha Macbeth: Bzzz
[2022/09/11 12:13] Agatha Macbeth: At the last meeting our plan was to find suitable places in all our regions; yesterday was to decide which signs we wished to use and the next step, but not least, will of course be to actually make them and the notecards to go with them.
[2022/09/11 12:13] Agatha Macbeth: Three different styles of sign were up for consideration and Rosie's design was chosen. This form of sign is on the heritage rocks and a few other locations already, so is proven to work well within its environment.
[2022/09/11 12:13] Agatha Macbeth: The follow-up on landing places was tabled until next meeting as Sudane had to leave at this point. Next LUC meeting is scheduled for October 1.
[2022/09/11 12:14] Agatha Macbeth: That concludes this report.
[2022/09/11 12:14] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2022/09/11 12:14] Almut Brunswick: Thank you very much, dear Agatha. And of course thanks to Lilith and her fellow LUC members. Are there any questions?
[2022/09/11 12:15] Jerry McNally: No question from me, just general appreciation for their work, I guess
[2022/09/11 12:15] Agatha Macbeth:
[2022/09/11 12:15] Almut Brunswick: Tor comes online!
[2022/09/11 12:15] Agatha Macbeth: Welcome Chancellor
[2022/09/11 12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: HI all
[2022/09/11 12:16] Rosie Gray: yay
[2022/09/11 12:16] Tori (tori.landau): Hi Tor °͜°
[2022/09/11 12:16] Almut Brunswick: Ok then, take a seat or remain standing because we saved your top for the time when you return: 2 Executive Report (Tor)
[2022/09/11 12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[2022/09/11 12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you madam LRA
[2022/09/11 12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: As you know Kyoko has been planning a number of Oktoberfest events. They are posted to the calendar
[2022/09/11 12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: Citizenship is holding steady
[2022/09/11 12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: We are at about 69 or 70 actually. I expect some late payers to increase the actual count that is sometimes influenced by late payment of tier.
[2022/09/11 12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: You may have noticed quite a number of anouncement in our group from Etopia.
[2022/09/11 12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope that has not bothered anyone.
[2022/09/11 12:20] Agatha Macbeth: /me nods
[2022/09/11 12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: But if it has, I would like feedback.
[2022/09/11 12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I know Etopia was concerned about this also.
[2022/09/11 12:21] Brian Livingston: It does seem to be a bit much, to be honest...
[2022/09/11 12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Generally it is probably good for us to make arrangements like this with our friends in the Eduverse.
[2022/09/11 12:21] Almut Brunswick: Qi Gong...
[2022/09/11 12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: That's all for now.
[2022/09/11 12:21] Lilith Ivory: I like the etopia posts better than all those other vwec posts
[2022/09/11 12:21] Brian Livingston: /me raises a hand
[2022/09/11 12:21] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2022/09/11 12:21] Agatha Macbeth: /me raises hand
[2022/09/11 12:21] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Tor. - Brian first, then Rosie and then Agatha
[2022/09/11 12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: /me was looking around the room for Brian.
[2022/09/11 12:22] Brian Livingston: Thank you - Mr. Chancellor, would it be possible to perhaps suggest non-CDS entities only announce non-recurring events? I like hearing about some of the unique events, but a daily reminder of a Qi Gong session is crowding out all of our actual community messages
[2022/09/11 12:22] Almut Brunswick: He is one of the RA members, Tor
[2022/09/11 12:22] Brian Livingston: /me is done
[2022/09/11 12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods.
[2022/09/11 12:23] Rosie Gray: I was going to say something the same as Brian
[2022/09/11 12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: We can certainly find some way to address this.
[2022/09/11 12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Alas my viewer usually stacks these things in a chicklet and I usually am not too bothered.
[2022/09/11 12:24] Rosie Gray: especially since I joined the Etopia group too, so I see their messages and the ones in our group too... it's way too much. Also, I notice that we have had none of our announcements go through the Etopia group in return.
[2022/09/11 12:24] Rosie Gray: done
[2022/09/11 12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods
[2022/09/11 12:24] Lilith Ivory: right and I also dont see our events in the VWEC group
[2022/09/11 12:24] Rosie Gray: yes, that too
[2022/09/11 12:24] Jerry McNally: ah, that's interesting
[2022/09/11 12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: I think this obviously needs to be looked at and might not have been as good as we thought
[2022/09/11 12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: That we can work on Lilith
[2022/09/11 12:25] Almut Brunswick: Well, that is annoying then. Nothing against Qi Gong, but when it doesn't help to link us better to each other, we need to remedy it. - But now it's Agatha's time
[2022/09/11 12:25] Lilith Ivory: /me thinks Tor might have chosen the wrong person to post our events ...
[2022/09/11 12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: We definitely should
[2022/09/11 12:25] Agatha Macbeth: Just wondered do we have an actual agreement with Etopia about cross posting?
[2022/09/11 12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I have thought that even our RA meetings should be in the VWEC group. Indeed our method of governance was the pretext for us being 'educational.'
[2022/09/11 12:26] Rosie Gray: yes!
[2022/09/11 12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: This will be an action item for me.
[2022/09/11 12:26] Brian Livingston: /me nods in agreement
[2022/09/11 12:26] Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
[2022/09/11 12:26] Jerry McNally: Good point
[2022/09/11 12:27] Almut Brunswick: At that point, a real ambassador at VWEC would be good maybe
[2022/09/11 12:28] Almut Brunswick: Agatha, are you done?
[2022/09/11 12:28] Agatha Macbeth: I am
[2022/09/11 12:28] Agatha Macbeth: Sorry
[2022/09/11 12:28] Almut Brunswick: no problem
[2022/09/11 12:29] Almut Brunswick: Ok, Tor will care about it and report us what he could achieve?
[2022/09/11 12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Will do
[2022/09/11 12:29] Almut Brunswick: Thank you! - Any further questions to our Chancellor?
[2022/09/11 12:29] Jerry McNally: /me wonders if Rosie is really still typing?
[2022/09/11 12:29] Agatha Macbeth: Not to me
[2022/09/11 12:29] Rosie Gray: no!
[2022/09/11 12:30] Jerry McNally: Ok, just looking at indicators etc
[2022/09/11 12:30] Brian Livingston: /me doesn't have any additional questions at thsi time
[2022/09/11 12:30] Almut Brunswick: Ok, thank you, Tor and all. Then we can move to our next topic that is the main and longly awaited one:
[2022/09/11 12:31] Almut Brunswick: 4.1 Enacting the Revised Constitution
The RA's work on the Constitution Revision is done and the final draft has been published within the legal time before voting. See Jerry's post of September 3, 2022 in the thread https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?t=9954.
[2022/09/11 12:31] Almut Brunswick: I assume you all have re-read it carefully.
[2022/09/11 12:31] Jerry McNally: For the record, the direct permalink to the RA proposal is https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?p=51047#p51047
[2022/09/11 12:31] Almut Brunswick: Thank you.
[2022/09/11 12:32] Almut Brunswick: Today (!), we just received a modification proposal to Article III, Section 3 (b) from the SC:
[2022/09/11 12:32] Almut Brunswick: Proposed addition/modification.

3 (b) New members are nominated by the Chair and approved by a simple majority vote of the members of the SC. New SC appointees are confirmed by a simple majority vote of the RA; where a member of the RA votes against the appointment, he or she will provide a rationale for their decision, based on the nominee’s knowledge and understanding of the Constitution and Laws, and likelihood to uphold said Constitution and Laws without bias, personal preference or emotion.

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To members of the RA:

The members of the SC feel very strongly that it is is extremely important to the functioning of the CDS judiciary that members of the Scientific Council be both knowledgeable about and committed to upholding the laws of the CDS. It is in that we request and submit to the RA this modification to Article III, Section 3(b) of the updated CDS Constitution.

Sincerely,

Delia Lake
Callipygian Christensen
Lilith Ivory
[2022/09/11 12:32] Agatha Macbeth: Saw that yes
[2022/09/11 12:33] Brian Livingston: /me nods
[2022/09/11 12:33] Almut Brunswick: I posted it here for the records.
[2022/09/11 12:34] Almut Brunswick: I need to remind you all that this proposal did not come in due time to be considered in the voting. In case we would agree to accept it, the vote would need to be postponed to keep the legal due date again.
[2022/09/11 12:35] Almut Brunswick: However, I would like to discuss this proposal here with you.
[2022/09/11 12:35] Almut Brunswick: Before I will let you know what I personally think about it, I would like to hear your opinions.
[2022/09/11 12:35] Jerry McNally: /me raises a hand
[2022/09/11 12:35] Almut Brunswick: Jerry please
[2022/09/11 12:36] Jerry McNally: Thanks. If I've understood it right, basically, if the RA decides against an appointment, they have to provide a reason. I can't imagine an instance when someone would decide against a nominee and *not* provide a reason, but I guess it doesn't hurt to spell it out. Done.
[2022/09/11 12:36] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Any other opinion?
[2022/09/11 12:37] Brian Livingston: /me raises a hand
[2022/09/11 12:37] Almut Brunswick: Brian plase
[2022/09/11 12:37] Almut Brunswick: Please*
[2022/09/11 12:37] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand too
[2022/09/11 12:38] Brian Livingston: whispers: The rationale in the notecard was that the goal of the proposed text was to ensure "that members of the Scientific Council be both knowledgeable about and committed to upholding the laws of the CDS." However, the relevant text seems like it may already be covered in the final draft text which we were posied to vote on today.
[2022/09/11 12:38] Almut Brunswick: Brian, you whisper
[2022/09/11 12:38] Brian Livingston: Ergh, I didn't mean to whisper that...
[2022/09/11 12:38] Agatha Macbeth:
[2022/09/11 12:38] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2022/09/11 12:38] Brian Livingston: Louder, for those in the back : The rationale in the notecard was that the goal of the proposed text was to ensure "that members of the Scientific Council be both knowledgeable about and committed to upholding the laws of the CDS." However, the relevant text seems like it may already be covered in the final draft text which we were poised to vote on today.
[2022/09/11 12:39] Brian Livingston: /me is done
[2022/09/11 12:39] Almut Brunswick: Rosie please. I will reply to Brian afterwards.
[2022/09/11 12:39] Rosie Gray: thank you Almut
[2022/09/11 12:39] Rosie Gray: well, a couple of things from me
[2022/09/11 12:39] Rosie Gray: #1, this comes to us all today, on the day that we are to vote on the constitution that we have been working to update for months
[2022/09/11 12:40] Rosie Gray: and there has been opportunity for input from the SC at any time both on the forums and through discussion in person and even onto the google document
[2022/09/11 12:41] Rosie Gray: also, just to point out that it is not something in the existing constitution... this clarification that the RA give an explanation if we should reject a candidate
[2022/09/11 12:41] Rosie Gray: I am certainly not opposed to giving reasons... and I think that we should give specific reasons if this should occur
[2022/09/11 12:42] Rosie Gray: but I don't know if we should delay voting on all of the rest of the work we have done in order to entertain it
[2022/09/11 12:42] Rosie Gray: done
[2022/09/11 12:42] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Rosie. Agatha, what about you? Otherwise, I would start my statement.
[2022/09/11 12:43] Agatha Macbeth: I'm okay, please continue
[2022/09/11 12:46] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Well, like I said: the timing and style is not optimal for such a statement, politely and frankly said. There was plenty of time before and after posting the draft for the revised Constitution. Lilith contributed her valuable thoughts to our discussions and helped to bring things forward before it became a final draft. Of course, there was and is not an obligation to participate this way, but after publishing the final draft, there was the formal opportunity to add comments like this.
[2022/09/11 12:46] Almut Brunswick: Regarding the content of this proposed modification, let me keep it as short as possible:
[2022/09/11 12:48] Almut Brunswick: 1. All RA members are bound on two things: their sworn oath on the Constitution and their own conscience. Nothing else. They don't need to give any justification of their votes, regardless if they are aye, nay and abstain. And there is no exception to the rule acceptable.
[2022/09/11 12:50] Almut Brunswick: 2. In the case that a proposed SC candidate will not find the approval by the RA due to a majority vote will get a rationale - like any other decision of the RA. It is in our mutual interest to know what has been objected in order to remedy the situation.
[2022/09/11 12:51] Almut Brunswick: But this is a collective rationale then, not an individual one like this proposal wants to oblige our individual members.
[2022/09/11 12:53] Almut Brunswick: 3. I understand the worries of some SC members that some RA weirdos - not in this RA of course, but maybe in the future - would like to sabot the SC's work. However, this assumes that we would need a majority of such oddballs here.
[2022/09/11 12:54] Almut Brunswick: and even so, when you follow 2., the LRA would need to give a rationale for the decision. Show me one decision that has made without good and traceable reasoning in the last terms! - Or in other words: When the relationship between SC and RA is on that low level, we have even yet other, more severe problems.
[2022/09/11 12:55] Almut Brunswick: My conclusion is therefore that I propose to reject this SC proposal and to vote fro the Constitution draft as presented. Thank you!.
[2022/09/11 12:56] Almut Brunswick: Calli has the word
[2022/09/11 12:56] Callipygian Christensen: thankyou
[2022/09/11 12:57] Callipygian Christensen: First, It is not for me to presume to know why this was only submittted today, when it was discussed and prepared 2 weeks ago, so for that I apologize on behalf of the SC , although I am not sure why it happened.
[2022/09/11 12:58] Callipygian Christensen: It was a specific decision for the member s of the SC not to comment on the documents indivisually so as not to confuse personal form SC opinions.
[2022/09/11 12:59] Callipygian Christensen: That said, why suggest this amenment? It came from, I believe, a questio raised by Almut(although it may have been smeone else) - 'what if theRA votes no on a candidate?
[2022/09/11 13:00] Callipygian Christensen: Working back from that the question is 'what reasons would there be NOT to vote yes...and they biol down to two braod categories 1. they have done x,y,z and that makes me believe they wont support the Consitution etc..or 2. I don't like, them, nver have or some degree of that.
[2022/09/11 13:00] Callipygian Christensen: Number 1 is a perfectly good reeason for a no vote, number 2 is not.
[2022/09/11 13:01] Callipygian Christensen: Unfortunately we have had, in the past, RA members who would vote on personal feelings and that based, as you are pinting out Almut, on themnothaving to justify their refusal to accept someone.
[2022/09/11 13:02] Callipygian Christensen: So the purpose of this amendment is to be clear to all future RA members and citizens, that in deciding who joins the SC the voting must be objective.
[2022/09/11 13:03] Callipygian Christensen: While I appreicate your suggestion of a group rationale Almut, if people vote no and refuse to tell you why, how would that group rationale be formed?
[2022/09/11 13:04] Callipygian Christensen: I have no probelm if you want to vote on this as a future amendment - vote on exisiting today and add this later..but I do strongly believe that our Consitution should support objective appointment to office where a position is not an elected one.
[2022/09/11 13:04] Callipygian Christensen: Done..I think.
[2022/09/11 13:04] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Calli.
[2022/09/11 13:05] Almut Brunswick: Like I said and even when we would fully agree your argumentation, we couldn't vote for it today.
[2022/09/11 13:10] Almut Brunswick: Before I will ask the RA members to ratify the Constitution as presented, let me emphasize once again that the SC has no constitutional right to judge the individual decision of the RA members - even when you make a fist in your pocket. This is not what a democracy allows. The reasons under your 2. - the apparently not objective one - may also contain a certain mistrust because that person is not sufficiently known to the RA members and is now presented as formally qualified, This is something to be discussed here and with the SC, too, BEFORE that candidate will be presented for a formal approval at all. Such votes don't come out of the blue.
[2022/09/11 13:11] Almut Brunswick: So there should happen a lot of communication before you surprise us with somebody. I think that is just fair enough.
[2022/09/11 13:11] Almut Brunswick: Ok then. Let's return to the original schedule and prepare the formal voting.
[2022/09/11 13:12] Lilith Ivory: /me looks on Tors name on the speakers list
[2022/09/11 13:12] Almut Brunswick: Oh sorry....Tor please
[2022/09/11 13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you, First I think a no vote is rather rare. The nominations come to the RA from the SC. I am sure the SC would have vetted the candidate not not moved it forward if there were some serious issue with regard to qualifications. Second, forcing an RA member to offer a rational for his vote, could not only insert drama but offers no purpose. Is that vote to be invalidated if there is no rationale, or if the rationale is insufficient? Tho will judge this?
[2022/09/11 13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Finally, SC selections are rather rare.
[2022/09/11 13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I can't imagine an a candidate being out of the blue.
[2022/09/11 13:14] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2022/09/11 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I would have to look long and hard for no votes against SC candidates as they would have been vetted by the SC and indeed by probably years of experience in CDS.
[2022/09/11 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[2022/09/11 13:14] Almut Brunswick: Thank you! Lilith please
[2022/09/11 13:14] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Lilith Ivory
[2022/09/11 13:15] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Callis statement and just want to add that in my opinion nominees deserve to know why they are rejected.
[2022/09/11 13:16] Lilith Ivory: in the past we had members of the SC who stayed more for themselves and were not much known or liked in our community but still there was no doubt they were willing and capable to uphold the constitution and our laws without bias and personal agenda
[2022/09/11 13:16] Lilith Ivory: done
[2022/09/11 13:18] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Lilith. But like I said, nobody says that a negative vote wouldn't get a rationale. But we won't lend our hands to establish a "mind police" here. I do appreciate Tor's statement a lot that gives the things a more historic perspective. Anyway Tor again.
[2022/09/11 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[2022/09/11 13:18] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Tor Karlsvalt
[2022/09/11 13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: I would just like to add that I am very grateful for the SC and the members who have applied the law of our community and the constitution to protect the CDS from past 'oddballs' to use the LRA's term.
[2022/09/11 13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: In my view I have seen where the SC stood between us and chaos. Certainly we should ensure that members will apply the law and know the law. done
[2022/09/11 13:21] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Tor.
[2022/09/11 13:22] Almut Brunswick: I would now like to ask my fellow RA members to move to the ratification of the Constitution draft as officially published in the Forum and close this debate.
[2022/09/11 13:22] Lilith Ivory: lol, I have some more
[2022/09/11 13:22] Almut Brunswick: Last statement please, Lilith.
[2022/09/11 13:22] Lilith Ivory: thank you Almut
[2022/09/11 13:24] Lilith Ivory: I would also like to remind the RA that they are here the present the citizenship who has *coughs voted for them and therefor owe an explanation to the citizens why they voted aye or nay
[2022/09/11 13:24] Lilith Ivory: done
[2022/09/11 13:24] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2022/09/11 13:24] Almut Brunswick: Rosie please
[2022/09/11 13:25] Rosie Gray: I propose that we vote on the Constitution as redrafted and posted, and as we have worked on for several months. Then, we can debate this proposal as an amendment, next meeting.
[2022/09/11 13:25] Rosie Gray: done
[2022/09/11 13:26] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. I think we had the probably longest discussion about a single (though summarized) topic in the history of CDS, so I propose to vote now.
[2022/09/11 13:27] Almut Brunswick: Do I hear a second or is there still a need from the RA members to discuss it?
[2022/09/11 13:27] Brian Livingston: I'll second
[2022/09/11 13:27] Rosie Gray: Motion to accept the revised Constitution as posted here: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?p=51047#p51047
[2022/09/11 13:28] Rosie Gray: ah, sorry... I wanted a proper motion
[2022/09/11 13:28] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Rosie! I second this along with Brian (I had buried the direct link^^)
[2022/09/11 13:28] Almut Brunswick: Please vote now
[2022/09/11 13:28] Rosie Gray: aye
[2022/09/11 13:28] Brian Livingston: Aye
[2022/09/11 13:29] Jerry McNally: Aye
[2022/09/11 13:29] Agatha Macbeth: Aye
[2022/09/11 13:29] Almut Brunswick: aye
[2022/09/11 13:30] Almut Brunswick: Thank you! That was a big heap of work to enact the Constitution! Thank you to all who have contributed, especially Jerry of course, our restless archivist.
[2022/09/11 13:30] Jerry McNally: you're welcome
[2022/09/11 13:30] Callipygian Christensen: /me applauds..a lot of work Jerry..well done.
[2022/09/11 13:30] Agatha Macbeth: Yay
[2022/09/11 13:30] Rosie Gray: jololahity
[2022/09/11 13:31] Lilith Ivory: (`'•.(`'•.¸ ¸.•'´).•'´)
[2022/09/11 13:31] Lilith Ivory: APPLAUSE!!!
[2022/09/11 13:31] Lilith Ivory: APPLAUSE!!!
[2022/09/11 13:31] Lilith Ivory: (¸.•'(¸.•'´ `'•.¸)'•.¸)
[2022/09/11 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[2022/09/11 13:31] Almut Brunswick: This version of the Constitution is the result of a lot of collaborative work. And a lot of compromises have been made. But it is a great achievement!
[2022/09/11 13:31] Second Life: Rosie Gray gave you yodel schweizer jodler.
[2022/09/11 13:31] Almut Brunswick: maybe the moment to stand up?
[2022/09/11 13:31] Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
[2022/09/11 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: hhee
[2022/09/11 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: /a
[2022/09/11 13:32] Agatha Macbeth: Are we going to sing an anthem ? :p
[2022/09/11 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[2022/09/11 13:32] Tori (tori.landau): Applauds!
[2022/09/11 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2022/09/11 13:32] Rosie Gray: lol, Agatha
[2022/09/11 13:32] Rosie Gray: jololahity
[2022/09/11 13:32] Almut Brunswick: hehe, we need to practice it next time
[2022/09/11 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2022/09/11 13:32] Almut Brunswick: In any case, it is a big relief
[2022/09/11 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: /me hopes no assassins lurk on the steps
[2022/09/11 13:33] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2022/09/11 13:33] Almut Brunswick: Originally, we just wanted to rework the SC article. But it was like tidying up a single drawer in your kitchen: In the very end, your house got new paint, you have new furniture and your banking account is close to buckrupcy
[2022/09/11 13:34] Rosie Gray: lol
[2022/09/11 13:34] Jerry McNally: sounds about right!
[2022/09/11 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Should be doing that.
[2022/09/11 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Get all cozy for retirement
[2022/09/11 13:35] Almut Brunswick: Anyway, we had the luck this term to have a full complement of RA members and - that is the deciding factor - dedicated and inspired RA members to do that many-months work
[2022/09/11 13:36] Almut Brunswick: Let's cross our fingers that this revised Constitution is now good enough also to do its purpose in lesser lucky days.
[2022/09/11 13:36] Almut Brunswick: Anyway, watching the clock....let's continue
[2022/09/11 13:36] Almut Brunswick: 5 Citizen Concerns
[2022/09/11 13:37] Almut Brunswick: Are there any from the citizenship?
[2022/09/11 13:37] Almut Brunswick: That doesn't seem to be the case
[2022/09/11 13:37] Almut Brunswick: 6 RA Member Concerns
[2022/09/11 13:37] Agatha Macbeth: Seems not
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: RA members, any complaints?
[2022/09/11 13:38] Brian Livingston: /me shakes hsi head
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: except of too many overtime hours
[2022/09/11 13:38] Agatha Macbeth: All good with me
[2022/09/11 13:38] Rosie Gray: no
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: smiles
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: Ok then
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: 7 Announcements:
[2022/09/11 13:38] Almut Brunswick: Almut: The exhibition "The Golden Twenties - Die Goldenen Zwanziger" in the foyer of Lilith's "Metropolis" cabaret is almost completed. It should be discussed with the Chancellor and/or the PIO if it should give a formal opening event prior to the ball or on another occasion.
[2022/09/11 13:39] Almut Brunswick: I think Kyoko is already informed, and Tor now as well.
[2022/09/11 13:39] Almut Brunswick: There is just some final sanding and polishing from my side, but the exhibition as such is done.
[2022/09/11 13:40] Almut Brunswick: I need to forward a message from Kyoko though: "But you can announce that the MoCA Exhibit, "Coming of AGE IN THE cITY" IS ALMOST DONE:)"
[2022/09/11 13:40] Almut Brunswick: That sounds promising.
[2022/09/11 13:41] Almut Brunswick: Calendar: https://cdsdemocracy.org/
[2022/09/11 13:41] Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully her back is getting better
[2022/09/11 13:41] Almut Brunswick: Oh yes
[2022/09/11 13:41] Almut Brunswick: Just a reminder to send Moon old pictures
[2022/09/11 13:41] Almut Brunswick: 8 Next RA meeting (to be discussed)
Proposal: September 24, 2022, 12 PM SLT
[2022/09/11 13:42] Almut Brunswick: That would be a Saturday again
[2022/09/11 13:42] Brian Livingston: I think that will work.
[2022/09/11 13:42] Rosie Gray: I am away that day
[2022/09/11 13:42] Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good to me
[2022/09/11 13:42] Almut Brunswick: Jerry?
[2022/09/11 13:42] Jerry McNally: I can't make then either, sorry
[2022/09/11 13:42] Almut Brunswick: Hmm then better an alternative proposal
[2022/09/11 13:43] Almut Brunswick: One week later?
[2022/09/11 13:43] Jerry McNally: The calendar says 24 is caberet?
[2022/09/11 13:43] Agatha Macbeth: LUC meeting on Oct 1
[2022/09/11 13:43] Rosie Gray: what about Oct 2?
[2022/09/11 13:43] Agatha Macbeth: Oct 2 would work for me
[2022/09/11 13:43] Brian Livingston: I think that would work as well
[2022/09/11 13:44] Almut Brunswick: Yes, for me too
[2022/09/11 13:44] Jerry McNally: Yes, October 2 is good for me
[2022/09/11 13:44] Almut Brunswick: Ok, October 2 then
[2022/09/11 13:44] Rosie Gray: same time?
[2022/09/11 13:44] Almut Brunswick: Same time
[2022/09/11 13:44] Agatha Macbeth: Done
[2022/09/11 13:45] Almut Brunswick: Rosie, would you be so kind to put it in the Google Calendar?
[2022/09/11 13:45] Rosie Gray: yes, just did it ㋡
[2022/09/11 13:45] Almut Brunswick: It was only a rhetoric question anyway
[2022/09/11 13:46] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2022/09/11 13:46] Almut Brunswick: Well, the only top that remains is to adjourn this meeting. Thank you for being here and have a good (remaining) weekend!