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Transcript, LUC March 13, 2021

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[2021/03/13 12:02] Mizou Vavoom: https://forums.slcds.info/viewto
I declare this meeting started 12:02
[2021/03/13 12:02] Mizou Vavoom: This is the agenda
[2021/03/13 12:03] Mizou Vavoom: Let me know when you have all read it
[2021/03/13 12:03] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/03/13 12:03] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): where is the agenda?
[2021/03/13 12:03] Rosie Gray: looks good to me
[2021/03/13 12:03] Mizou Vavoom: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9705
[2021/03/13 12:03] Sudane Erato: link gives me a 404
[2021/03/13 12:03] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[2021/03/13 12:03] Mizou Vavoom: oh??
[2021/03/13 12:04] Rosie Gray: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?p=50170#p50170
[2021/03/13 12:04] Rosie Gray: try this one
[2021/03/13 12:04] Mizou Vavoom: sorry i must have capped part of it
[2021/03/13 12:04] Sudane Erato: it works now
[2021/03/13 12:04] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:05] Mizou Vavoom: Motion to approve agenda
[2021/03/13 12:05] Sudane Erato: second
[2021/03/13 12:05] Mizou Vavoom: voting
[2021/03/13 12:05] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/03/13 12:05] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/03/13 12:05] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/03/13 12:06] Mizou Vavoom: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9696
[2021/03/13 12:06] Rosie Gray: I guess we are missing Han and Lilith
[2021/03/13 12:06] Mizou Vavoom: Last meeting sminutes
[2021/03/13 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: yes but i dont see them around
[2021/03/13 12:07] Sudane Erato: move we approve
[2021/03/13 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: so we havent got enough votes?
[2021/03/13 12:07] Rosie Gray: yes we do
[2021/03/13 12:07] Sudane Erato: oh
[2021/03/13 12:07] Rosie Gray: we have a quorum
[2021/03/13 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[2021/03/13 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2021/03/13 12:07] Delia Lake: hi. Sorry I had a phone call in rl that I had to take
[2021/03/13 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: wb Delia
[2021/03/13 12:08] Rosie Gray: oh Delia needs to vote
[2021/03/13 12:08] Rosie Gray: for quorum
[2021/03/13 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: Delia we vited for the minutes
[2021/03/13 12:08] Delia Lake: vote to approve minutes?
[2021/03/13 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: and the agenda
[2021/03/13 12:08] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/03/13 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: voted
[2021/03/13 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks
[2021/03/13 12:09] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/03/13 12:09] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/03/13 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: OK we can start with the old business
[2021/03/13 12:09] Pat: entered the region (37.25 m).
[2021/03/13 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: 1. Signage for the road names at LA and CN: (Mizou)
a. Signs/maps update (Mizou)1. Signage for the road names at LA and CN: (Mizou)
a. Signs/maps update (Mizou)
[2021/03/13 12:10] Sudane Erato: its all Mizou! :)
[2021/03/13 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: lol
[2021/03/13 12:10] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2021/03/13 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: poor Mizou
[2021/03/13 12:10] Rosie Gray: she's been a busy avatar lately
[2021/03/13 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: Ok signage for LA, i apologise but haven't done anything since last meeting
[2021/03/13 12:11] Mizou Vavoom: but promise to make amends before next emeeting
[2021/03/13 12:11] Mizou Vavoom: very busy indeed
[2021/03/13 12:11] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/03/13 12:12] Brooke Brandenburg: well you look amazing :)
[2021/03/13 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: Signs/maps: have been updated thanks to Kyoko's help, that is the big map on the big signs.
[2021/03/13 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: I looked at it yesterday and probably will improve by adding the region names in graphic program as the text is fuzzy
[2021/03/13 12:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): :)
[2021/03/13 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: done for this point
[2021/03/13 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: anybody wants to add something? suggestion or otherwise?
[2021/03/13 12:13] Rosie Gray: I noticed that today, Mizou
[2021/03/13 12:13] Rosie Gray: about the text
[2021/03/13 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: ah yes
[2021/03/13 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: no suggestions?
[2021/03/13 12:14] Rosie Gray: not for that
[2021/03/13 12:14] Sudane Erato: what i've seen looks great!
[2021/03/13 12:14] Rosie Gray: the signs look fabulous
[2021/03/13 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: thanks and in the future i will put them on public land :)
[2021/03/13 12:14] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2021/03/13 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: b. Rename Marketplatz to Marktplatz (so that it is actual German and not Deutlish) approved??
[2021/03/13 12:15] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2021/03/13 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: yes Rosie
[2021/03/13 12:15] Rosie Gray: I had changed the name on the parcel quite some time ago, when it was first brought up and I was still Chancellor
[2021/03/13 12:16] Rosie Gray: there is 1 sign that needs updating and I can do that
[2021/03/13 12:16] Mizou Vavoom: ahhh thanks for the clarification, yes sign need updating
[2021/03/13 12:16] Rosie Gray: it's a mesh sign that I made, ages ago
[2021/03/13 12:16] Wordsmith Jarvinen: entered the region (158.81 m).
[2021/03/13 12:16] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/03/13 12:16] Mizou Vavoom: thanks Rosie much appreciated
[2021/03/13 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: New business:
2. EEP experimental settings (Rosie, Sudane, Kyoko)
a. Survey update/results?
[2021/03/13 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: Rosie?
[2021/03/13 12:17] Rosie Gray: let me find the link
[2021/03/13 12:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): Hi Calli :)
[2021/03/13 12:17] Rosie Gray: hi Calli
[2021/03/13 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Calli
[2021/03/13 12:18] Sudane Erato: hey :)
[2021/03/13 12:18] Rosie Gray:
[2021/03/13 12:18] Delia Lake: hi Calli
[2021/03/13 12:19] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Rosie and you had some recap for the whole survey?
[2021/03/13 12:19] Rosie Gray: well, it takes studying the responses
[2021/03/13 12:20] Rosie Gray: there's a huge mix of how people use their viewer for one thing
[2021/03/13 12:20] Rosie Gray: some misunderstandings of things
[2021/03/13 12:20] Rosie Gray: but generally, people would prefer sunny days in SL
[2021/03/13 12:21] Sudane Erato: no idea why :)
[2021/03/13 12:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me grins at Sudane
[2021/03/13 12:21] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:21] Delia Lake: /me and Sudane will make a rain cloud in our little corner of the NFS Valley
[2021/03/13 12:21] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2021/03/13 12:21] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:22] Mizou Vavoom: Sudane have you anything to add?
[2021/03/13 12:22] Sudane Erato: well... not really
[2021/03/13 12:22] Sudane Erato: we did in the Guild have a discussion
[2021/03/13 12:22] Sudane Erato: which was intended to encourage people to experiment
[2021/03/13 12:22] Sudane Erato: to learn the skiills of envs
[2021/03/13 12:23] Sudane Erato: so that we can install more variety
[2021/03/13 12:23] Sudane Erato: there is now a cabinent to stash day cycles
[2021/03/13 12:23] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/03/13 12:23] Sudane Erato: so that Rosie can pick from those
[2021/03/13 12:23] Mizou Vavoom: /me nods
[2021/03/13 12:24] Rosie Gray: I should note that we've had 26 responses
[2021/03/13 12:24] Rosie Gray: with most being CDS citizens, but a few from random folks too
[2021/03/13 12:24] Rosie Gray: and there is a mix
[2021/03/13 12:25] Rosie Gray: 46.2% of people say they want a simple sunny day environment mosto of the time
[2021/03/13 12:25] Rosie Gray: and the same number say some of the time
[2021/03/13 12:25] Rosie Gray: with 7.7% saying not really
[2021/03/13 12:25] Rosie Gray: so there is some interest in more 'interesting' environments
[2021/03/13 12:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): or overmy derad pixels ;)
[2021/03/13 12:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): *dead
[2021/03/13 12:26] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:26] Rosie Gray: and not just having bland summer days :)
[2021/03/13 12:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me raises her hand
[2021/03/13 12:26] Sudane Erato: we need more wet... good for the flowers
[2021/03/13 12:26] Rosie Gray: 57.7% of people prefer a 'realistic' environment for the region they are in
[2021/03/13 12:27] Mizou Vavoom: Kyoko after Rosie
[2021/03/13 12:27] Rosie Gray: 11.5% say not really, which is interesting
[2021/03/13 12:27] Rosie Gray: the vast majority of people have their graphics set from mid-high to high-ultra
[2021/03/13 12:27] Rosie Gray: with only a few (1 response) on low-mid
[2021/03/13 12:28] Rosie Gray: and 1 person doesn't know
[2021/03/13 12:28] Rosie Gray: also, 73.1% of people are using Advanced Lighting Model
[2021/03/13 12:28] Rosie Gray: all of these graphs I can try to export as images so that you all can see them
[2021/03/13 12:29] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/03/13 12:29] Mizou Vavoom: Would it be a good idea to add these on the forum? or the portal?
[2021/03/13 12:29] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Rosie
[2021/03/13 12:30] Mizou Vavoom: Kyoko next
[2021/03/13 12:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): First much thanks to Rosie for all that work
[2021/03/13 12:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): Very helpful
[2021/03/13 12:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I have two comments
[2021/03/13 12:31] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): One the sunny day cycles that I have seen are nice:)
[2021/03/13 12:31] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): Some of the transitions are abrupt, but I am sure that can be fixed
[2021/03/13 12:32] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): hm second is that many people use their own seetings. Hopefully this will be fun to play with once it's understood.
[2021/03/13 12:32] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I'm hoping ther Guild will have an EEP for Dummies session
[2021/03/13 12:33] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): Laura's comments about the difference in atmosphere in the alps and the Med are well taken
[2021/03/13 12:33] Sudane Erato: Its hard to imagine such a session
[2021/03/13 12:33] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I am not bothered by a shift between the two big "regions" alps & Med.
[2021/03/13 12:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): In fact I would expect it
[2021/03/13 12:34] Rosie Gray: we could have a session to teach people how to change their personal settings
[2021/03/13 12:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): done
[2021/03/13 12:34] Sudane Erato: thats true
[2021/03/13 12:34] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Kyoko
[2021/03/13 12:34] JTCroxton: left the region.
[2021/03/13 12:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): well not done
[2021/03/13 12:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): sorry
[2021/03/13 12:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): the mist and gloom is not my cuppa
[2021/03/13 12:35] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/03/13 12:35] Mizou Vavoom: I was thinking along the lines of making a video of sudane teaching it the way you did it at the Guild meeting
[2021/03/13 12:35] Mizou Vavoom: and posting it on our Archie YouTube
[2021/03/13 12:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): and I immediatelly do control/shift Y
[2021/03/13 12:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): very done
[2021/03/13 12:35] Mizou Vavoom: Does that sound feasible to you sudane?
[2021/03/13 12:36] Sudane Erato: well... I don't think my presentations are very foccussed
[2021/03/13 12:36] Sudane Erato: and anyway... that was an enviropnment BUUILDING session
[2021/03/13 12:36] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): the document you have made with ASlmut is pretty clear to a dunderhead like me
[2021/03/13 12:36] Sudane Erato: not a personal setting session
[2021/03/13 12:37] Mizou Vavoom: ah ok
[2021/03/13 12:37] Mizou Vavoom: thanks Sudane
[2021/03/13 12:37] Rosie Gray: right, teaching someone to make the settings would be WAY complicated
[2021/03/13 12:37] Rosie Gray: but to use them is simple
[2021/03/13 12:37] Sudane Erato: yeah
[2021/03/13 12:37] Sudane Erato: I was just trying to explain making day cycles
[2021/03/13 12:37] Sudane Erato: which is where i think you have to start
[2021/03/13 12:38] Sudane Erato: use pre-made skies
[2021/03/13 12:38] Sudane Erato: but even building a day cycle is ciomplex
[2021/03/13 12:38] Rosie Gray: it is
[2021/03/13 12:38] Mizou Vavoom: yes i gathered that
[2021/03/13 12:38] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Sudane
[2021/03/13 12:38] Mizou Vavoom: Personally i am still a total noob at skies
[2021/03/13 12:39] Sudane Erato: I think we should suggest Rosie;s idea
[2021/03/13 12:39] Sudane Erato: and show a lesson in doing the setting
[2021/03/13 12:39] Sudane Erato: so at LEAST everyone knows that
[2021/03/13 12:39] Rosie Gray: yes, so if they are annoyed by what they see, they can just change it for themselves
[2021/03/13 12:39] Rosie Gray: and on their own parcels too
[2021/03/13 12:39] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2021/03/13 12:40] Mizou Vavoom: sounds perfect
[2021/03/13 12:40] Rosie Gray: although there's not a lot of people that don't know how
[2021/03/13 12:40] Mizou Vavoom: I can film you teaching it, Rosie, if you agree
[2021/03/13 12:40] Mizou Vavoom: and put it on Youtube
[2021/03/13 12:41] Rosie Gray: well if you want
[2021/03/13 12:41] Mizou Vavoom: and then add it it to our resource sheet
[2021/03/13 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: For those who haven't seen it it this is our resource sheet
[2021/03/13 12:42] Rosie Gray: but that is basically a guild thing
[2021/03/13 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: oh sorry
[2021/03/13 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: it has several sheets or different subjects
[2021/03/13 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: /me head is getting muddled
[2021/03/13 12:42] Rosie Gray: it's okay :)
[2021/03/13 12:43] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): well it would be good to publicize
[2021/03/13 12:43] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I can certainly help with that if wanted
[2021/03/13 12:43] Rosie Gray: I'm not sure about that
[2021/03/13 12:43] Rosie Gray: have to think about it
[2021/03/13 12:43] Mizou Vavoom: Right
[2021/03/13 12:44] Mizou Vavoom: 3. LUC law update, see https://cdsdemocracy.org/faqs/cdsl-34-0 ... uary-2021/ (Tan)
a. Results from discussion in SC?
[2021/03/13 12:45] Sudane Erato: I think we should take this topic off the agenda... it really has nothing to do with us
[2021/03/13 12:45] Sudane Erato: even tho it is about this committee
[2021/03/13 12:45] Rosie Gray: I agree, it is the RA's to discuss
[2021/03/13 12:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): right it's between the SC and RA
[2021/03/13 12:46] Sudane Erato: we just need to hear what is decided... and follow the framework decided
[2021/03/13 12:46] Mizou Vavoom: and if i understand nothing has been finalised?
[2021/03/13 12:46] Wordsmith Jarvinen: left the region.
[2021/03/13 12:47] Rosie Gray: not yet, Mizou
[2021/03/13 12:47] Mizou Vavoom: good thanks
[2021/03/13 12:47] Rosie Gray: I move that we drop items 3 and 3a from the Agenda
[2021/03/13 12:48] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2021/03/13 12:48] Mizou Vavoom: voting?
[2021/03/13 12:48] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/03/13 12:48] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/03/13 12:48] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/03/13 12:48] Mizou Vavoom: thanks
[2021/03/13 12:48] Mizou Vavoom: next
[2021/03/13 12:49] Mizou Vavoom: 4. Friedsee lake and the updating of the prim water: (Delia)
a. Update on discussion on forum, see https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9687
[2021/03/13 12:49] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): yummy water :)
[2021/03/13 12:49] Sudane Erato: yes :)
[2021/03/13 12:49] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2021/03/13 12:49] Delia Lake: I put out some sky water and left some of the old water so people could make a comparison
[2021/03/13 12:50] Rosie Gray: too bad Laura isn't here as she is quite interested in this topic
[2021/03/13 12:50] Delia Lake: I will also put out a box with a link to rl alpine lakes. most of them are bright blue not blue/gray
[2021/03/13 12:51] Sudane Erato: well... I WISH that Alex Bader would update his pond water like he (or she) has the river water
[2021/03/13 12:51] Delia Lake: I wish that too!
[2021/03/13 12:51] Sudane Erato: the Skye water is marginally better, IMHO
[2021/03/13 12:51] Delia Lake: he has updated 3 sets of rocks
[2021/03/13 12:51] Sudane Erato: yes
[2021/03/13 12:51] Sudane Erato: what about the water?????
[2021/03/13 12:52] Rosie Gray: I think it's a bit of an improvement over the old water
[2021/03/13 12:52] Sudane Erato: the controls need fussing with
[2021/03/13 12:52] Sudane Erato: Delia, can you set it for group access?
[2021/03/13 12:53] Delia Lake: the one closest to NFS is set to group
[2021/03/13 12:53] Sudane Erato: we have lowered some of the public prim count in FDS
[2021/03/13 12:53] Mizou Vavoom: yay!
[2021/03/13 12:53] Sudane Erato: and we could lower more... maybe
[2021/03/13 12:54] Sudane Erato: so... if peolle feel the skye water is better... i think it will be ok
[2021/03/13 12:54] Sudane Erato: but its really no a LOT better
[2021/03/13 12:54] Sudane Erato: *not
[2021/03/13 12:54] Sudane Erato: IMO
[2021/03/13 12:54] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Sudane
[2021/03/13 12:55] Mizou Vavoom: We move to next point
[2021/03/13 12:55] Rosie Gray: agreed
[2021/03/13 12:55] Mizou Vavoom: 6. Connecting CDs to Linden waters update (Tor)
[2021/03/13 12:55] Rosie Gray: wait!
[2021/03/13 12:55] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:55] Rosie Gray: what about the Friedsee water?
[2021/03/13 12:55] Rosie Gray: I mean... does the Chancellor want it updated to the Skye water?
[2021/03/13 12:56] Rosie Gray: or removed and keep the old water?
[2021/03/13 12:56] Rosie Gray: we can't really leave it with both there... it doesn't look good
[2021/03/13 12:56] Delia Lake: right
[2021/03/13 12:56] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2021/03/13 12:56] Sudane Erato: I vote its marginally better
[2021/03/13 12:56] Sudane Erato: so therefore, change it
[2021/03/13 12:56] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): update to skye
[2021/03/13 12:56] Rosie Gray: yay
[2021/03/13 12:57] Sudane Erato: and beg Alex Bader to do better
[2021/03/13 12:57] Delia Lake: ok. and write to Alex asking him to to the lake water update next
[2021/03/13 12:57] Sudane Erato: yes!!
[2021/03/13 12:57] Rosie Gray: :D
[2021/03/13 12:57] Sudane Erato: how can we bribe him?
[2021/03/13 12:57] Mizou Vavoom: Is Alex easy to approach ?
[2021/03/13 12:57] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): not out of my budget you don't
[2021/03/13 12:58] Sudane Erato: is he a he or a she?
[2021/03/13 12:58] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2021/03/13 12:58] Rosie Gray: who knows!
[2021/03/13 12:58] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 12:58] Delia Lake: I've only spoken with him once. and I thought him but who knows,
[2021/03/13 12:58] Sudane Erato: well, women bribe differently than men :)
[2021/03/13 12:59] Delia Lake: no budget expense to replace the water with Skye water.
[2021/03/13 12:59] Mizou Vavoom: food for thought Sudane lol
[2021/03/13 12:59] Delia Lake: I already own it
[2021/03/13 12:59] Sudane Erato: yeah... we've all got it
[2021/03/13 12:59] Mizou Vavoom: yes same here
[2021/03/13 12:59] Delia Lake: and no point in Archie buying something we think will be updated
[2021/03/13 12:59] Sudane Erato: exactly!!
[2021/03/13 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: OK have we exhausted this subject?
[2021/03/13 13:00] Rosie Gray: yes!
[2021/03/13 13:00] Rosie Gray: lol
[2021/03/13 13:00] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/03/13 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: 6. Connecting CDS to Linden waters update (Tor)
[2021/03/13 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: /me is poking Tor
[2021/03/13 13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: /me wakes up
[2021/03/13 13:00] Brooke Brandenburg: :)
[2021/03/13 13:00] Sudane Erato: poor Tor... dreaming of cruises :)
[2021/03/13 13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2021/03/13 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[2021/03/13 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Been working on a better map
[2021/03/13 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: but here is one
[2021/03/13 13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: trying to get it nice and crisp
[2021/03/13 13:02] Rosie Gray: /me taps her foot waiting for the image to load
[2021/03/13 13:02] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Tor
[2021/03/13 13:03] Sudane Erato: yes... this is sw of the Blake Sea estates
[2021/03/13 13:03] Mizou Vavoom: And from what you explained in another meeting, is that not too far to be seen from mainland?
[2021/03/13 13:03] Brooke Brandenburg: that looks sweet Tor!
[2021/03/13 13:03] Rosie Gray: wow!
[2021/03/13 13:03] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): nice map
[2021/03/13 13:04] Sudane Erato: it would be nice...
[2021/03/13 13:04] Mizou Vavoom: Tor?
[2021/03/13 13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: tes
[2021/03/13 13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2021/03/13 13:04] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me pokes Tor
[2021/03/13 13:04] Mizou Vavoom: Will we be seen from mainland?
[2021/03/13 13:05] Brooke Brandenburg: big map rezzed behind us
[2021/03/13 13:05] Sudane Erato: Only with difficulty
[2021/03/13 13:06] Rosie Gray: but wouldn't sailors be aware of it?
[2021/03/13 13:06] Sudane Erato: from the maps, yes
[2021/03/13 13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: tes
[2021/03/13 13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2021/03/13 13:06] Sudane Erato: the big obstacle would be LL
[2021/03/13 13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: It will be seen on the world map of course
[2021/03/13 13:06] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[2021/03/13 13:06] Sudane Erato: yes
[2021/03/13 13:06] Mizou Vavoom: thanks
[2021/03/13 13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: and it will be seen from some of the island in the nearby Linden regions.
[2021/03/13 13:07] Mizou Vavoom: so the Lindens would need to add two water sims
[2021/03/13 13:07] Sudane Erato: the prospect that LL would add two open regions
[2021/03/13 13:07] Sudane Erato: and then allow us to move there
[2021/03/13 13:07] Sudane Erato: is a long shot
[2021/03/13 13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: We will probably not see the mainland from LA beyond Genareau and Glorieux.
[2021/03/13 13:07] Sudane Erato: the sims surrounding the two proposed LL sims
[2021/03/13 13:08] Sudane Erato: are all LL owned
[2021/03/13 13:08] Sudane Erato: and not rented
[2021/03/13 13:08] Sudane Erato: they are public space
[2021/03/13 13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: We would have at least two water sims between us and rented mainland.
[2021/03/13 13:08] Sudane Erato: yes, Genareau and Glorieux
[2021/03/13 13:09] Sudane Erato: you could see across if you set your dd very high
[2021/03/13 13:09] Sudane Erato: but usually not
[2021/03/13 13:10] Sudane Erato: you;d see the two little islands froeom the LA harbor
[2021/03/13 13:10] Rosie Gray: that sounds perfect to me
[2021/03/13 13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think anyone would be annoyed by the mainland in that area.
[2021/03/13 13:10] Sudane Erato: Genereau has a lot of LL build on it
[2021/03/13 13:10] Sudane Erato: i agree... no one will find it a problem
[2021/03/13 13:11] Sudane Erato: but LL would need to make a specail and unique arrangement with us
[2021/03/13 13:11] Sudane Erato: and... god knows if that will happen
[2021/03/13 13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: We will be about 11 regions south of the Blake Sea
[2021/03/13 13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods.
[2021/03/13 13:12] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): are the united sailing sims private?
[2021/03/13 13:12] Sudane Erato: yes. but not directly sailable
[2021/03/13 13:12] Sudane Erato: yes
[2021/03/13 13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: The CLPP conditions really are not workable.
[2021/03/13 13:12] Sudane Erato: New England is one of the USS estates
[2021/03/13 13:13] Sudane Erato: do people know the CLPP deal?
[2021/03/13 13:13] Mizou Vavoom: No
[2021/03/13 13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Honah Lee and Sailor's Cove are just the two closest to us
[2021/03/13 13:13] Sudane Erato: let me see if i can find it
[2021/03/13 13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I mentioned it before.
[2021/03/13 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I seriously doubt many estates are using the CLPP.
[2021/03/13 13:14] Rosie Gray: what is CLPP?
[2021/03/13 13:14] Sudane Erato: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_ ... ip_Program
[2021/03/13 13:14] Rosie Gray: ah, thank you
[2021/03/13 13:15] Sudane Erato: I agree with Tor... its a ridiculous arrangement
[2021/03/13 13:15] Rosie Gray: oh the fees!
[2021/03/13 13:15] Sudane Erato: yep
[2021/03/13 13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Actually, there are forum posts where others have been arguing that the CLPP is ridiculous.
[2021/03/13 13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes
[2021/03/13 13:16] Rosie Gray: that is just a blatant rip-off
[2021/03/13 13:16] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/03/13 13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: And that $500 USD fee is an annual fee.
[2021/03/13 13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: I really doubt anyone is paying it
[2021/03/13 13:16] Sudane Erato: its a result of a lot of politics a good number of years ago
[2021/03/13 13:17] Sudane Erato: when a lot of people wanted to bring their estates to the USS
[2021/03/13 13:17] Sudane Erato: for obvious reasons
[2021/03/13 13:17] Sudane Erato: and we successfully resisted that
[2021/03/13 13:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we would not, just sort of near the USS.
[2021/03/13 13:17] Sudane Erato: yes... that was LL's concession
[2021/03/13 13:18] Sudane Erato: in the meantime, they have added huge private estaes to the north of the USS
[2021/03/13 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: Do you thing the Seychelles used the CLPP?
[2021/03/13 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes!
[2021/03/13 13:18] Sudane Erato: and i suspect they do not pay the $500 annually
[2021/03/13 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: I sail them all the time
[2021/03/13 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we might get asked to pay it once.
[2021/03/13 13:18] Sudane Erato: in fact, i think some have already come and gone
[2021/03/13 13:18] Callipygian Christensen: Since the CLPP requires 10 regions, its a moot point really inst it?
[2021/03/13 13:18] Delia Lake: I have 2 questions
[2021/03/13 13:19] Sudane Erato: Calli, yes... lots of mootness about this
[2021/03/13 13:19] Delia Lake: what Calli said is my first Q. must you really have 10 regions?
[2021/03/13 13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: We can ask. Worst is they say non.
[2021/03/13 13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: My biggest worry is that LL wants to expand the mainland into that blank space.
[2021/03/13 13:20] Delia Lake: second, if we move, could in the future another community with 10 regions move right up next to us, touching us?
[2021/03/13 13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: No
[2021/03/13 13:20] Sudane Erato: they can't touch us
[2021/03/13 13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't believe LL would allow that.
[2021/03/13 13:21] Sudane Erato: there are standard rules about that
[2021/03/13 13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Plus we would have room to expand if we wanted to.
[2021/03/13 13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: And I think there are downsides of staying where we are.
[2021/03/13 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: We seem increasingly isolated.
[2021/03/13 13:22] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2021/03/13 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I think being near the mainland will get us noticed.
[2021/03/13 13:22] Rosie Gray: I agree too
[2021/03/13 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Being near navigable water will make us more attractive.
[2021/03/13 13:23] Rosie Gray: it's always been our greatest challenge.. just that people know we are here
[2021/03/13 13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Even without the Blake there is a lot of navigable water in that area
[2021/03/13 13:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): you could charge more for the parcels along the rhenus
[2021/03/13 13:24] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Tor, one question. When will you be able to talk to the Lindens?
[2021/03/13 13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: LL might see it as an opportunity to develop a rather dead zone.
[2021/03/13 13:24] Sudane Erato: It would start with filing a ticket... but
[2021/03/13 13:24] Sudane Erato: before doing that, we must develop a serious strategy
[2021/03/13 13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I would have to propose that RA agree with the plan and direct the EO to approach LL
[2021/03/13 13:25] Rosie Gray: would it need to be Rudeen who does that?
[2021/03/13 13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[2021/03/13 13:25] Sudane Erato: Rudeen can file the ticket...
[2021/03/13 13:25] Sudane Erato: but
[2021/03/13 13:25] Massimo: left the region.
[2021/03/13 13:25] Sudane Erato: the ticket has a lot of presentation to make
[2021/03/13 13:25] Sudane Erato: we really have to develop a pitch
[2021/03/13 13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: yup
[2021/03/13 13:26] Sudane Erato: because this is a long shot
[2021/03/13 13:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me nods
[2021/03/13 13:26] Sudane Erato: really... a detailed who we are... and why they should give us special treatment
[2021/03/13 13:26] Rosie Gray: don't we need to discuss this with the community too... for agreement?
[2021/03/13 13:26] Delia Lake: yes, why would LL want to do this?
[2021/03/13 13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Well he pitch can reference our long history, liberal character, past and current involvement in the greater LL
[2021/03/13 13:26] Sudane Erato: exactly Delia
[2021/03/13 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: All the above
[2021/03/13 13:27] Sudane Erato: and yes Tor
[2021/03/13 13:27] Sudane Erato: agreed
[2021/03/13 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: and we must be among the first private islands.
[2021/03/13 13:27] Sudane Erato: and sadly i must leave... I have a RL 4:30 EST meeting
[2021/03/13 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: So we have staying power
[2021/03/13 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[2021/03/13 13:27] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Sudane
[2021/03/13 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: see you Sudane.
[2021/03/13 13:27] Delia Lake: bye Sudane
[2021/03/13 13:27] Rosie Gray: bye sudane
[2021/03/13 13:27] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): byeeee
[2021/03/13 13:27] Sudane Erato: bye all ... this is an interesting topic
[2021/03/13 13:27] Mizou Vavoom: bye
[2021/03/13 13:28] Sudane Erato: left the region.
[2021/03/13 13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I think too we would be developing new area of SL,.
[2021/03/13 13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Look at the map, it is petty empty there.
[2021/03/13 13:28] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2021/03/13 13:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Frankly, LL might even see us as a country to the USS
[2021/03/13 13:29] Rosie Gray: and they are new 'owners' of SL, so perhaps they will be more receptive
[2021/03/13 13:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that a good thing.
[2021/03/13 13:29] Delia Lake: that's possible
[2021/03/13 13:30] Mizou Vavoom: So how do we go about creating a presentation content?
[2021/03/13 13:30] Rosie Gray: I would suggest that Tor work with Sudane on it
[2021/03/13 13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[2021/03/13 13:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I think a working group be chosen so as not to bog down LUC
[2021/03/13 13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: I think CDS speaks for itself in some ways.
[2021/03/13 13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: We are a great sim,
[2021/03/13 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: and our concept is unique
[2021/03/13 13:31] Delia Lake: we know that, Tor, but the new owners of LL don't know that
[2021/03/13 13:31] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): exactly
[2021/03/13 13:31] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I'll be happy to be on the working party
[2021/03/13 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: We have to inform them
[2021/03/13 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: And
[2021/03/13 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Given the rather anti-democratic trends these days.
[2021/03/13 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: CDS would/could be a beacon of sorts.
[2021/03/13 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Maybe that is rather nutty
[2021/03/13 13:33] Rosie Gray: I love your idealism, Tor!
[2021/03/13 13:33] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): or we could attract right winge nutters as griefers
[2021/03/13 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: But we should be very proud of who so many different people have come togethe.
[2021/03/13 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/03/13 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: For sure we will see more of that.
[2021/03/13 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: I can't deny that
[2021/03/13 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: But I feel are sort of withering out here in the void.
[2021/03/13 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: many of our neighbors have folded.
[2021/03/13 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: And LL is expanding he mainland.
[2021/03/13 13:34] Brooke Brandenburg: yes Belli almost touches the mainland now
[2021/03/13 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: A good deal of new avs probably will never leave the mainland or realize it.
[2021/03/13 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah it does.
[2021/03/13 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: and another reason why this might be a good locaion.
[2021/03/13 13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: The stilt homes are pointed at Satori and more than halfway across the void.
[2021/03/13 13:36] Brooke Brandenburg: yes
[2021/03/13 13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I might be possible eventually to said from LA all they way to the old continent
[2021/03/13 13:37] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): wow
[2021/03/13 13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: Well that is probably a long way off.
[2021/03/13 13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: But Belli has been growing fast.
[2021/03/13 13:37] Rosie Gray: /me notes the time
[2021/03/13 13:37] Brooke Brandenburg: there are new homes styles in the works as we speak
[2021/03/13 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Right!
[2021/03/13 13:38] Brooke Brandenburg: alpine is next
[2021/03/13 13:38] Brooke Brandenburg: then some more
[2021/03/13 13:38] Mizou Vavoom: Thanbs Tor, can we wrap this up please, it is getting late
[2021/03/13 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Sure
[2021/03/13 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I think you are right. Sudane and I and others should brainstorm a proposal
[2021/03/13 13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Give LL a real schmaltzy pitch
[2021/03/13 13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/03/13 13:39] Mizou Vavoom: That sounds perfect and we are looking forward to its developemnt
[2021/03/13 13:39] Mizou Vavoom: 7. Relay for Life: advert update (Mizou, Kyoko)
[2021/03/13 13:40] Callipygian Christensen: left the region.
[2021/03/13 13:40] Delia Lake: I'd be glad to do editing and give comments but rl is really demanding a lot from me right now so even though I'd like to be part of the proposal development team I can't do that right now
[2021/03/13 13:40] Mizou Vavoom: Ok not really part of LUC but I wanted to let you know that my building business (using houses that I created for CDS) has had some succes in Home & Garden expo 2021 for Relay for Life
[2021/03/13 13:40] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): may the chancellor serve on this group?
[2021/03/13 13:40] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks Delia
[2021/03/13 13:41] Delia Lake: I think it would be very good to have the Chancellor part of this group
[2021/03/13 13:41] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): and the rathaus has some CDS info
[2021/03/13 13:41] Delia Lake: the proposal group
[2021/03/13 13:41] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): we had to take away Rosie's kiosk because it led to a webpage alas
[2021/03/13 13:41] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): also the red heart :(
[2021/03/13 13:41] Rosie Gray: awh, darn
[2021/03/13 13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: of course
[2021/03/13 13:41] Mizou Vavoom: yes that was a loss
[2021/03/13 13:41] Mizou Vavoom: but......
[2021/03/13 13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Rules
[2021/03/13 13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Is it still going on?
[2021/03/13 13:42] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): until the 21st?
[2021/03/13 13:42] Delia Lake: what rules are these?
[2021/03/13 13:42] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I need to announce it again
[2021/03/13 13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Good!
[2021/03/13 13:42] Mizou Vavoom: I was interviewed by Saffia and Elrick from Desiginng worlds and have mentioned CDS a few times in the interview
[2021/03/13 13:42] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): home expo rules
[2021/03/13 13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I intend to viist.
[2021/03/13 13:42] Rosie Gray: oh excellent, Mizou
[2021/03/13 13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Fantastic!!!
[2021/03/13 13:42] Delia Lake: ok
[2021/03/13 13:42] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): was that a live one at expo or for later viewing
[2021/03/13 13:42] Delia Lake: great, Mizou
[2021/03/13 13:42] Mizou Vavoom: i will post a link to the interview when available after the private party :)
[2021/03/13 13:43] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): ahh
[2021/03/13 13:43] Mizou Vavoom: Saffia loves the Fachwerk and the signs and the street :)
[2021/03/13 13:43] Rosie Gray: the area looks great ㋡
[2021/03/13 13:43] Mizou Vavoom: the place wa sfilmed and photos were taken so I hope somewhere they will mention CDS
[2021/03/13 13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: Great!
[2021/03/13 13:44] Mizou Vavoom: we were interviewed in Primperfect magazine in May 2009 and when i looked at the photos from then we have changed so much now
[2021/03/13 13:44] Mizou Vavoom: done
[2021/03/13 13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[2021/03/13 13:44] Rosie Gray: well done, Mizou
[2021/03/13 13:44] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 13:44] Rosie Gray: and with Kyoko's help
[2021/03/13 13:45] Mizou Vavoom: yes Kyoko an dmyself were a great team
[2021/03/13 13:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): Mizou made it look very Applause!!
[2021/03/13 13:45] Brooke Brandenburg: you both did a great job; the builds are lovely Mizou!
[2021/03/13 13:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): oopppppppps
[2021/03/13 13:45] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/03/13 13:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): it's very homey looking
[2021/03/13 13:45] Rosie Gray: lol
[2021/03/13 13:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): she had a super pavement texture
[2021/03/13 13:45] Mizou Vavoom: Just like our CDS
[2021/03/13 13:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I should make it a pick
[2021/03/13 13:45] Delia Lake: do you have a lm, Mizou?
[2021/03/13 13:46] Mizou Vavoom: yes just a sec
[2021/03/13 13:46] Mizou Vavoom: anybody else wants the LM?
[2021/03/13 13:46] Rosie Gray: I have it thanks
[2021/03/13 13:46] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): they csaznan im me as I have it if you wish
[2021/03/13 13:46] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): *can sheesh
[2021/03/13 13:47] Brooke Brandenburg: :)
[2021/03/13 13:47] Rosie Gray: okay I have to go very shortly
[2021/03/13 13:47] Mizou Vavoom: AOB:
8. Anything else to discuss?
[2021/03/13 13:47] Mizou Vavoom: Kyoko
[2021/03/13 13:47] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): just a quickie from me
[2021/03/13 13:48] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): The Pip Torok Memorial is tomorrow
[2021/03/13 13:48] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): if you are planning to read a poem (preferrably in voice it seems) or share a memory PLEASE let me know today via IM
[2021/03/13 13:49] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): I need to make up the program
[2021/03/13 13:49] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): done
[2021/03/13 13:49] Rosie Gray: some things can be spontaneous too, I would think
[2021/03/13 13:49] Mizou Vavoom: Next meeting 27 March - 12 noon? motion to approve
[2021/03/13 13:50] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (Samara Barzane): yes, but we have timing issues. It can't be open ended
[2021/03/13 13:50] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/03/13 13:50] Rosie Gray: must check my calendar
[2021/03/13 13:51] Rosie Gray: it's okay for me
[2021/03/13 13:51] Mizou Vavoom: ok everybody else ok?
[2021/03/13 13:51] Delia Lake: yes that date is ok
[2021/03/13 13:51] Mizou Vavoom: vote?
[2021/03/13 13:51] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/03/13 13:51] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/03/13 13:52] Mizou Vavoom: Delia?
[2021/03/13 13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks all for your attention in all these issues.
[2021/03/13 13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: /me pokes Delia
[2021/03/13 13:53] Rosie Gray: Tor, I hope you get it to work, I think it's a great idea
[2021/03/13 13:53] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/03/13 13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: yup
[2021/03/13 13:53] Mizou Vavoom: thanks Delia, meeting over - 1:53
[2021/03/13 13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Definitely work trying.
[2021/03/13 13:53] Mizou Vavoom: Thanks everybody for all their work

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