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Transcript, LUC Meeting August 1, 2021

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[2021/08/01 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: I declare this meeting open it is 12:07
[2021/08/01 12:07] Mizou Vavoom: Voting new chairperson and secretary
[2021/08/01 12:07] Sudane Erato: I move we approve the agenda
[2021/08/01 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: :) first the voting
[2021/08/01 12:08] Sudane Erato: oh
[2021/08/01 12:08] Sudane Erato: ok :)
[2021/08/01 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: so any nominations for chair?
[2021/08/01 12:08] Sudane Erato: Mizou!
[2021/08/01 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: lol
[2021/08/01 12:08] Rosie Gray: I nominate Mizou for chair
[2021/08/01 12:08] Lilith Ivory: I second :)
[2021/08/01 12:08] Sudane Erato: second
[2021/08/01 12:08] Mizou Vavoom: voting
[2021/08/01 12:09] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 12:09] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2021/08/01 12:09] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/08/01 12:09] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/08/01 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: not sur eif i vote for myself?
[2021/08/01 12:09] Sudane Erato: why not?? :)
[2021/08/01 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: aye then
[2021/08/01 12:09] Rosie Gray: doesn't matter anyway since you are in!
[2021/08/01 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: that was quick
[2021/08/01 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/08/01 12:09] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/08/01 12:09] Mizou Vavoom: Ok nominations for secretary
[2021/08/01 12:10] Sudane Erato: who is secretary now?
[2021/08/01 12:10] Lilith Ivory: /me absolutely hates writing minutes :(
[2021/08/01 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: Rosie
[2021/08/01 12:10] Sudane Erato: i nominate Rosie
[2021/08/01 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2021/08/01 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: voting
[2021/08/01 12:10] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 12:10] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/08/01 12:10] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/08/01 12:10] Lilith Ivory: aye (if Rosie is ok with it)
[2021/08/01 12:10] Rosie Gray: I'm okay with it
[2021/08/01 12:11] Rosie Gray: abstain
[2021/08/01 12:11] Mizou Vavoom: ok thats done too, congrats Rosie!
[2021/08/01 12:11] Sudane Erato: yay!
[2021/08/01 12:11] Lilith Ivory: congrats :)
[2021/08/01 12:11] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2021/08/01 12:11] Rosie Gray: thanks
[2021/08/01 12:11] Lilith Ivory: I can stay pro temp if no one else wants this job
[2021/08/01 12:11] Sudane Erato: good!
[2021/08/01 12:12] Rosie Gray: I will nominate you, Lilith!
[2021/08/01 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2021/08/01 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: voting
[2021/08/01 12:12] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 12:12] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/08/01 12:12] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2021/08/01 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/08/01 12:12] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/08/01 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: Congratulations Lilith and thanks
[2021/08/01 12:12] Mizou Vavoom: 1. Minutes previous meeting for approval:
[2021/08/01 12:12] Sudane Erato: we are SO efficient! :)
[2021/08/01 12:12] Lilith Ivory: yw :)
[2021/08/01 12:12] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2021/08/01 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php ... 3ae860245e
[2021/08/01 12:13] Rosie Gray: we ought to be by now!
[2021/08/01 12:13] Rosie Gray: haha
[2021/08/01 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: the one in the notecard is the wrong one
[2021/08/01 12:13] Sudane Erato: I move we accept the minutes
[2021/08/01 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: so this is the correct one
[2021/08/01 12:13] Lilith Ivory: I second
[2021/08/01 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/08/01 12:13] Delia Lake: I wasn't at the last meeting so I abstain from voting on the minutes
[2021/08/01 12:13] Sudane Erato: oh
[2021/08/01 12:13] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 12:13] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/08/01 12:13] Mizou Vavoom: ok next
[2021/08/01 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: 2. Agenda this meeting for approval
[2021/08/01 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: move to approve
[2021/08/01 12:14] Sudane Erato: i move we accept the agenda
[2021/08/01 12:14] Delia Lake: second
[2021/08/01 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/08/01 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/08/01 12:14] Delia Lake: aye
[2021/08/01 12:14] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 12:14] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/08/01 12:14] Lilith Ivory: aye
[2021/08/01 12:14] Mizou Vavoom: 3. Old business:
1. Signage for the road names at LA and CN: (Mizou)
[2021/08/01 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: Report: la is now done. Has anybody seen the new signs?
[2021/08/01 12:15] Sudane Erato: yes!
[2021/08/01 12:15] Rosie Gray: yes!
[2021/08/01 12:15] Delia Lake: not yet
[2021/08/01 12:15] Sudane Erato: they're neat :)
[2021/08/01 12:15] Rosie Gray: they look great
[2021/08/01 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: So no complaints, thanks
[2021/08/01 12:15] Rosie Gray: I really think that it makes the regions come together so much better having these
[2021/08/01 12:15] Lilith Ivory: yes! I like them
[2021/08/01 12:15] Mizou Vavoom: yes i think so too
[2021/08/01 12:16] Mizou Vavoom: So next one to work on is CN but I will start in September, if that is ok?
[2021/08/01 12:16] Sudane Erato: sure!
[2021/08/01 12:16] Sudane Erato: its up to Kyoko actually, isn't it?
[2021/08/01 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: Just a question. For the LA signs Rosie suggested a boat at the top
[2021/08/01 12:17] Sudane Erato: we just advise
[2021/08/01 12:17] Rosie Gray: yes
[2021/08/01 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2021/08/01 12:17] Rosie Gray: but the signs are an ongoing project, I believe
[2021/08/01 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: yes indeed
[2021/08/01 12:17] Mizou Vavoom: we started last year
[2021/08/01 12:17] Sudane Erato: good things take time :)
[2021/08/01 12:18] Mizou Vavoom: ok so question: what shall i put on top of the sign for CN?
[2021/08/01 12:18] Mizou Vavoom: it was a boat for LA
[2021/08/01 12:18] Mizou Vavoom: suggested by Rosie
[2021/08/01 12:18] Rosie Gray: interesting question
[2021/08/01 12:18] Sudane Erato: not everything needs something on top... does it?
[2021/08/01 12:18] Sudane Erato: what does NFS have?
[2021/08/01 12:18] Mizou Vavoom: well, why not?
[2021/08/01 12:19] Mizou Vavoom: a circle
[2021/08/01 12:19] Rosie Gray: the old NFS signs have a circle
[2021/08/01 12:19] Sudane Erato: well, lacking anything else, you could put an owl
[2021/08/01 12:19] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[2021/08/01 12:19] Mizou Vavoom: ohhhh yes for NFS? but CN??
[2021/08/01 12:20] Rosie Gray: well the theme for CN... something kind of mediterranean?
[2021/08/01 12:20] Rosie Gray: an olive leaf?
[2021/08/01 12:20] Rosie Gray: or just nothing
[2021/08/01 12:20] Sudane Erato: is CN mediterranean?
[2021/08/01 12:20] Rosie Gray: yes
[2021/08/01 12:21] Sudane Erato: or is it after Koln?
[2021/08/01 12:21] Rosie Gray: Colonia Nova is an ahistorical, southern-European themed sim (Italian/Greek/Spanish or generically northern-Mediterranean) featuring a shopping district, an amphitheatre, the public thermae and the seat of the CDS government, the Praetorium. Buildings in this region resemble styles of southern-Europe and should aim to link visually with the styles of Locus Amoenus and Alpine Meadows at those regional borders.
[2021/08/01 12:21] Mizou Vavoom: it is after Koln
[2021/08/01 12:21] Sudane Erato: ahh... ok
[2021/08/01 12:21] Lilith Ivory:
[2021/08/01 12:21] Sudane Erato: whatever the covenant says
[2021/08/01 12:21] Lilith Ivory: the seal of cologne
[2021/08/01 12:21] Rosie Gray: a crown!
[2021/08/01 12:21] Rosie Gray: haha
[2021/08/01 12:22] Mizou Vavoom: yes! a crown!! great thinking Lilith
[2021/08/01 12:22] Mizou Vavoom: CN is kind of royal
[2021/08/01 12:22] Lilith Ivory: a bettter link
[2021/08/01 12:22] Lilith Ivory: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6lner_Wappen
[2021/08/01 12:22] Mizou Vavoom: ok thats the question answered
[2021/08/01 12:22] Sudane Erato: 3 crowns and the raindrops... or are those tears? :)
[2021/08/01 12:23] Rosie Gray: yes what are those things?
[2021/08/01 12:23] Mizou Vavoom: I can copy the crown as an svg
[2021/08/01 12:23] Mizou Vavoom: rain?
[2021/08/01 12:23] Rosie Gray: I kind of like the crown
[2021/08/01 12:23] Rosie Gray: idea
[2021/08/01 12:23] Sudane Erato: you never know with heraldry
[2021/08/01 12:23] Lilith Ivory: drops, flames or like the people from cologne say tears
[2021/08/01 12:23] Lilith Ivory: I read Wikki ;-)
[2021/08/01 12:23] Rosie Gray: It's all German to me
[2021/08/01 12:23] Rosie Gray: /me laughs
[2021/08/01 12:23] Lilith Ivory: lol
[2021/08/01 12:23] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/08/01 12:24] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/08/01 12:24] Mizou Vavoom: 3. Old business:
1. Signage for the road names at LA and CN: (Mizou)
[2021/08/01 12:24] Mizou Vavoom: sorry
[2021/08/01 12:24] Mizou Vavoom: wrong one
[2021/08/01 12:24] Mizou Vavoom: 4. New business:
a. Discuss private housing not covered in covenants - (Rosie)
[2021/08/01 12:25] Rosie Gray: I think that item is actually covered by b and c
[2021/08/01 12:25] Lilith Ivory: /me wonders if new business a and be are the same
[2021/08/01 12:25] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[2021/08/01 12:25] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2021/08/01 12:25] Mizou Vavoom: so
[2021/08/01 12:25] Mizou Vavoom: b. Discussion of how the LUC can assist the chancellor with inspecting and approving new citizens buildings – (Proposed by Lilith)
c. Inspection of buildings we have placed on vacant parcels to make them more attractive (Proposed by Lilith)
[2021/08/01 12:25] Rosie Gray: thanks to Lilith for being more specific
[2021/08/01 12:25] Lilith Ivory: my pleasure :)
[2021/08/01 12:26] Mizou Vavoom: thanks Lilith
[2021/08/01 12:26] Delia Lake: question about this. What is meant by private housing not covered in covenants?
[2021/08/01 12:26] Sudane Erato: in New England we call the buildings placed on land for sale staging
[2021/08/01 12:26] Sudane Erato: as in... you stage the parcel
[2021/08/01 12:26] Delia Lake: yes
[2021/08/01 12:27] Rosie Gray: I was meaning the private buildings placed by citizens
[2021/08/01 12:27] Lilith Ivory: I think we need to find a way how we as the LUC to inspect buildings placed by new citizens to see if they fit the covenant
[2021/08/01 12:27] Sudane Erato: of course, it must be covenant compliant
[2021/08/01 12:27] Rosie Gray: where there is no staging, and no anchored buildings
[2021/08/01 12:27] Lilith Ivory: I think we should find procedures to assist the chancellor with this
[2021/08/01 12:27] Rosie Gray: and yes, I completely agree with you Lilith
[2021/08/01 12:27] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2021/08/01 12:27] Mizou Vavoom: but how?
[2021/08/01 12:27] Rosie Gray: so that they are inspected in a timely manner
[2021/08/01 12:28] Mizou Vavoom: what about a questionnaire?
[2021/08/01 12:28] Sudane Erato: i have a suggestion... again coming from our experience
[2021/08/01 12:28] Mizou Vavoom: given to new person for them to fill out
[2021/08/01 12:28] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[2021/08/01 12:28] Sudane Erato: I myself do not get involved in those decisions
[2021/08/01 12:28] Delia Lake: aren't most buildings in the rural parts of NFS, Friedsee, AM and Monastery placed there by parcel owners? aren't they still covered by covenant?
[2021/08/01 12:28] Sudane Erato: but I have designated EM's who approve buildings
[2021/08/01 12:29] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:29] Sudane Erato: so I think we should have special officers/em's approve the buildings... not the chancellor
[2021/08/01 12:29] Lilith Ivory: but NE is different as you need to have a building approved fiorst before you can rez it
[2021/08/01 12:29] Rosie Gray: question, Sudane... how do you prevent people from just placing their buildings before being approved?
[2021/08/01 12:30] Sudane Erato: lol... we tell them that we'll either return the building... or boot them out :)
[2021/08/01 12:30] Mizou Vavoom: and how do they receive that info??
[2021/08/01 12:30] Sudane Erato: they are warned oever and over not to rez without approval
[2021/08/01 12:30] Sudane Erato: multiple channles warn them
[2021/08/01 12:30] Rosie Gray: that seems to have never happened here
[2021/08/01 12:30] Sudane Erato: channels
[2021/08/01 12:30] Lilith Ivory: when I rented in NE I saw it in the covenant - which I read :)
[2021/08/01 12:30] Mizou Vavoom: channekls? as in automatic?
[2021/08/01 12:31] Sudane Erato: yes, the the sign says it when you touch it
[2021/08/01 12:31] Mizou Vavoom: ahhh!!
[2021/08/01 12:31] Delia Lake: now I'm really confused. how do you see and approve a building that hasn't been rezzed?
[2021/08/01 12:31] Mizou Vavoom: can we add that to Casper?
[2021/08/01 12:31] Rosie Gray: but what to do about people who don't read covenants?
[2021/08/01 12:31] Rosie Gray: and don't read the messages coming from Casper either?
[2021/08/01 12:32] Sudane Erato: Delia, we inspect the building separately... or stand there with them when they rez it
[2021/08/01 12:32] Delia Lake: ok. standing there while rezzing makes sense
[2021/08/01 12:32] Lilith Ivory: I gave the EM a MP link for approval
[2021/08/01 12:32] Mizou Vavoom: but that would mean that we know when they rez them
[2021/08/01 12:32] Sudane Erato: yep... thats another way
[2021/08/01 12:33] Rosie Gray: but here, we have a reluctance usually by the Chancellor to disapprove of buildings
[2021/08/01 12:33] Sudane Erato: well... the issue is that they know that cannot rez without approval first
[2021/08/01 12:33] Mizou Vavoom: explain Lilith how does that happen?
[2021/08/01 12:33] Sudane Erato: exactly... so we should take the chancellor out of the process
[2021/08/01 12:33] Lilith Ivory: how does what happen?
[2021/08/01 12:34] Mizou Vavoom: yes Lilith you give an MP link, which link?
[2021/08/01 12:34] Lilith Ivory: it is always better if a group of two or more people approve or disapprove
[2021/08/01 12:34] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:34] Sudane Erato: oh, a link to the house on Marketplace
[2021/08/01 12:34] Lilith Ivory: I looked for a house I liked on Marketplace and gave the link to the EM
[2021/08/01 12:34] Mizou Vavoom: my question is: how do we know when someone is goign to rez a house?
[2021/08/01 12:34] Sudane Erato: so the em can see it there
[2021/08/01 12:34] Mizou Vavoom: ahhh ok i see
[2021/08/01 12:35] Sudane Erato: Mizou... the person is informed that they cannot rez without approval
[2021/08/01 12:35] Rosie Gray: wouldn't we need to change the covenants to include an inspection prior to rezzing, for CDS?
[2021/08/01 12:35] Sudane Erato: yes, of course
[2021/08/01 12:35] Lilith Ivory: I think we would have
[2021/08/01 12:35] Sudane Erato: its just my suggestion
[2021/08/01 12:35] Mizou Vavoom: they can't rez, as in not possible?
[2021/08/01 12:35] Lilith Ivory: but if we are quick we can also inspect the building as soon as it is rezzed
[2021/08/01 12:35] Mizou Vavoom: or not allowed?
[2021/08/01 12:35] Sudane Erato: Mizou, not allowed
[2021/08/01 12:35] Rosie Gray: because here, people buy their parcel, they rez their building and get it all set up, and then if the building isn't appropriate it is very difficult to tell them that it's not suitable
[2021/08/01 12:36] Lilith Ivory: CDS is more tricky than NE as here we also need to look if it floats or fits into the parcel
[2021/08/01 12:36] Sudane Erato: I agree Rosie
[2021/08/01 12:36] Mizou Vavoom: yes but if it is rezzed how do you go about to tell thme wihtout ruffling their feathers
[2021/08/01 12:36] Delia Lake: I can understand that someone may be there to approve or not while rezzing but to put in the covenant that approval has to happen before rezzing makes no sense to me
[2021/08/01 12:36] Rosie Gray: that's the problem
[2021/08/01 12:36] Sudane Erato: well, we DO have size restrictions too
[2021/08/01 12:36] Sudane Erato: Delia, it works in New England
[2021/08/01 12:37] Rosie Gray: we have other restrictions too, but I guess they are difficult for some people to understand
[2021/08/01 12:37] Lilith Ivory: but NE parcels are bigger so there is no risk it overlaps public land
[2021/08/01 12:37] Sudane Erato: people are happy because we work hard to keep the theme
[2021/08/01 12:37] Rosie Gray: I think it's a great idea
[2021/08/01 12:37] Mizou Vavoom: and so do we here so, yes i agree with the idea
[2021/08/01 12:37] Rosie Gray: but the enforcement is difficult
[2021/08/01 12:37] Mizou Vavoom: so should we bring this idea to the RA?
[2021/08/01 12:38] Lilith Ivory: still we also need to approve it as soon as it is on the parcel I think
[2021/08/01 12:38] Rosie Gray: and since it is always up to the Chancellor in the end... some are very reluctant
[2021/08/01 12:38] Mizou Vavoom: to change the convenant in favour of it?
[2021/08/01 12:38] Rosie Gray: or just don't follow up
[2021/08/01 12:38] Rosie Gray: or don't know about them in time
[2021/08/01 12:38] Rosie Gray: right, so a specific process would be good
[2021/08/01 12:38] Delia Lake: how does that work to approve before rezzing. does that mean that people can only put out buildings that are sold on marketplace?
[2021/08/01 12:39] Mizou Vavoom: ok lets put the process on paper
[2021/08/01 12:39] Sudane Erato: yes, to make a change like this all the pieces would need to be in place
[2021/08/01 12:39] Lilith Ivory: in the early days of the LUC it worked fine
[2021/08/01 12:39] Rosie Gray: no Delia, it means they can rez it and show the EMs
[2021/08/01 12:39] Rosie Gray: or show the MP link
[2021/08/01 12:39] Delia Lake: ok. then it needs to say that. not say approval before rezzing
[2021/08/01 12:39] Rosie Gray: I think if it's included in the covenant that would work
[2021/08/01 12:40] Sudane Erato: well...
[2021/08/01 12:40] Rosie Gray: and it is within the mandate of this committee to recommend changes to the covenant
[2021/08/01 12:40] Mizou Vavoom: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:40] Sudane Erato: there also needs to be people designated to do the judging
[2021/08/01 12:40] Sudane Erato: and
[2021/08/01 12:40] Delia Lake: as Lil said, we have done that process previously
[2021/08/01 12:40] Sudane Erato: a really massive communication system that let's new people know about tjis rule
[2021/08/01 12:41] Lilith Ivory: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:41] Rosie Gray: and what would the Chancellor's role be?
[2021/08/01 12:41] Rosie Gray: because right now, it seems that it is entirely up to the Chancellor
[2021/08/01 12:41] Sudane Erato: to support their EM's decisions... and to hear appeals
[2021/08/01 12:41] Lilith Ivory: I think if something gest disapproved the chancellor needs to have the last word as the LUC only gives advice
[2021/08/01 12:41] Rosie Gray: yes
[2021/08/01 12:41] Sudane Erato: yes, the LUC is not involved in this
[2021/08/01 12:42] Delia Lake: it doesn't have to be removed from the chancellor...what Lil says
[2021/08/01 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: does the Guild not have a word in this process?
[2021/08/01 12:42] Sudane Erato: i think not
[2021/08/01 12:42] Lilith Ivory: oh?
[2021/08/01 12:42] Rosie Gray: the guild has no official standing
[2021/08/01 12:42] Sudane Erato: the function is an executive function
[2021/08/01 12:42] Lilith Ivory: I remember when the LUC was new there were LUC members aproving buildings
[2021/08/01 12:42] Mizou Vavoom: ok i thought it had on approval of bildings
[2021/08/01 12:42] Sudane Erato: so its a special exec committee of EMs who do the judging
[2021/08/01 12:42] Rosie Gray: yes, but it was up to each Chancellor to organize it
[2021/08/01 12:43] Rosie Gray: so maybe it would be much better to have a defined process
[2021/08/01 12:43] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[2021/08/01 12:43] Sudane Erato: yes
[2021/08/01 12:43] Lilith Ivory: and EMs would be better than the LUC as they take care of new citizens anyway
[2021/08/01 12:43] Mizou Vavoom: So how do we go about to define this process?
[2021/08/01 12:44] Lilith Ivory: but I wonder if in this case we need some paperwork to legitimate them
[2021/08/01 12:44] Mizou Vavoom: discuss on the forum until next meeting?
[2021/08/01 12:44] Sudane Erato: we could start with new proposed text to the covenants
[2021/08/01 12:44] Rosie Gray: good idea
[2021/08/01 12:44] Mizou Vavoom: then get it approved here then submitted to the RA?
[2021/08/01 12:44] Sudane Erato: sure... and discuss on the forum as you said
[2021/08/01 12:44] Lilith Ivory: good idea
[2021/08/01 12:44] Mizou Vavoom: ok who will start the ball rolling on the forum?
[2021/08/01 12:45] Rosie Gray: Sudane, is there some NE documentation that we might find useful too?
[2021/08/01 12:45] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/08/01 12:45] Rosie Gray: as a reference?
[2021/08/01 12:45] Sudane Erato: oh... sure!
[2021/08/01 12:45] Sudane Erato: let me look it up
[2021/08/01 12:45] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2021/08/01 12:46] Rosie Gray: just thinking that we are all EMs, so we see when someone new purchases a parcel
[2021/08/01 12:46] Rosie Gray: it's easy to see that happen and then go have a look if it's a parcel that doesn't have an anchored building
[2021/08/01 12:46] Sudane Erato: All builds MUST be approved by a member of the Covenant Committee BEFORE being placed on your parcel. Guidelines and procedures are available in the New England Islands Land Office, Marblehead, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Marblehead/54/127/24. Do not place any building on your parcel without PRIOR Covenant Committee approval.
[2021/08/01 12:47] Rosie Gray: Covenant Committee
[2021/08/01 12:47] Sudane Erato: The Covenant Committee at this point simply means one of the two current active EMs
[2021/08/01 12:47] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:47] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2021/08/01 12:47] Rosie Gray: we could have a covenant committee like that
[2021/08/01 12:47] Lilith Ivory: not a bad idea :)
[2021/08/01 12:48] Lilith Ivory: let´s see if it works better than the welcome comittee
[2021/08/01 12:48] Rosie Gray: oh lord
[2021/08/01 12:48] Lilith Ivory: /me giggles
[2021/08/01 12:48] Rosie Gray: ideally the covenant committee could also be the welcome committee!
[2021/08/01 12:48] Sudane Erato: That's true
[2021/08/01 12:48] Sudane Erato: ours is
[2021/08/01 12:49] Sudane Erato: thery provide any help you need
[2021/08/01 12:49] Lilith Ivory: yes, and the EMs who give the tier and greet the new citizen
[2021/08/01 12:49] Rosie Gray: EMs are basically the welcome committee now, but it's just up to each one to do their own type of welcome
[2021/08/01 12:49] Sudane Erato: so the new person experiences it as a supportive process
[2021/08/01 12:49] Sudane Erato: yes... not different from New England
[2021/08/01 12:49] Lilith Ivory: (I was amazed how quick and helpful both of the NE EMs were)
[2021/08/01 12:50] Sudane Erato: we have nice people :)
[2021/08/01 12:50] Rosie Gray: we too can be quick and helpful!
[2021/08/01 12:50] Mizou Vavoom: :)
[2021/08/01 12:50] Sudane Erato: yes! :)
[2021/08/01 12:50] Rosie Gray: and maybe nice too!!
[2021/08/01 12:50] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2021/08/01 12:50] Mizou Vavoom: lol
[2021/08/01 12:50] Lilith Ivory: lol
[2021/08/01 12:50] Rosie Gray: no promises :D
[2021/08/01 12:50] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/08/01 12:51] Rosie Gray: okay I volunteer to have a shot at some wording on the Forums
[2021/08/01 12:51] Sudane Erato: great :)
[2021/08/01 12:51] Mizou Vavoom: great thanks Rosie
[2021/08/01 12:51] Sudane Erato: I'll chime in
[2021/08/01 12:51] Lilith Ivory: not lately , but in the past I was sometimes wondering if new citizens don´t feel like being greeted by a bunch of smiling ... hyennas
[2021/08/01 12:51] Rosie Gray: and this is helpful, thanks Sudane
[2021/08/01 12:51] Rosie Gray: good
[2021/08/01 12:51] Mizou Vavoom: an interesting subject
[2021/08/01 12:51] Delia Lake: I'm fine with this task being assigned to the EMs. How are they going to make the decisions though? Do they need further guidelines or examples? I don't want to be restrictive but I don't want to fail to provide sufficient information to those making the decisions
[2021/08/01 12:52] Mizou Vavoom: Ok to go onto next item?
[2021/08/01 12:52] Sudane Erato: Delia, you're right... there is some judgment involved
[2021/08/01 12:52] Sudane Erato: it just has to be people who know our estate
[2021/08/01 12:52] Lilith Ivory: I do like the idea of inspections by more than one EM
[2021/08/01 12:52] Rosie Gray: perhaps if a building is questionable, it requires more than 1 EM
[2021/08/01 12:52] Sudane Erato: yes, sure
[2021/08/01 12:53] Lilith Ivory: in the past we always worked with someone else
[2021/08/01 12:53] Sudane Erato: and the Chancellor can be the last word
[2021/08/01 12:53] Mizou Vavoom: yes a second opinion is needed
[2021/08/01 12:53] Rosie Gray: yes, perhaps we make that mandatory, that it's two
[2021/08/01 12:53] Mizou Vavoom: good thinking
[2021/08/01 12:53] Sudane Erato: well... but don't slow it down
[2021/08/01 12:54] Sudane Erato: if one approves, no need to go to a second
[2021/08/01 12:54] Sudane Erato: we USED to have all the EMs vote on a blog
[2021/08/01 12:54] Delia Lake: I can stay a little longer. I just got an email from one of the other meeting participants requesting that we delay our meeting a half hour.
[2021/08/01 12:54] Sudane Erato: but that was way too slow
[2021/08/01 12:54] Sudane Erato: great!
[2021/08/01 12:54] Rosie Gray: that's good, Delia ㋡
[2021/08/01 12:55] Rosie Gray: so maybe we have a bit of an orientation with EMs first to make sure everyone is on the same page
[2021/08/01 12:55] Mizou Vavoom: Glad you can stay Delia
[2021/08/01 12:55] Rosie Gray: especially if there are new EMs
[2021/08/01 12:55] Sudane Erato: Rosie, that makes sense
[2021/08/01 12:55] Mizou Vavoom: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:55] Lilith Ivory: yes
[2021/08/01 12:55] Delia Lake: so I have 2 concerns about approving buildings. One I just expressed. the second is about building quality. in the past we have had a number of buildings "approved" that were not of great quality. particularly the textures were crude or didn't match
[2021/08/01 12:56] Delia Lake: sometimes the proportions of the buildings were out of balance
[2021/08/01 12:56] Sudane Erato: so those factors should all be relevant
[2021/08/01 12:56] Rosie Gray: yes of course these are concerns, especially when someone makes their own building
[2021/08/01 12:56] Sudane Erato: within some flexible reason
[2021/08/01 12:57] Delia Lake: it's even true for some purchased buildings
[2021/08/01 12:57] Rosie Gray: yes
[2021/08/01 12:57] Sudane Erato: :)
[2021/08/01 12:57] Rosie Gray: but not as much as it was years ago
[2021/08/01 12:58] Rosie Gray: also when we see a building rezzed, we can help with adding a foundation, or doing a little terraforming if needed
[2021/08/01 12:58] Sudane Erato: I feel that in general CDS should not be a place where most residents experieement with their building skills
[2021/08/01 12:58] Rosie Gray: I agree, but it is not against the covenants or laws
[2021/08/01 12:58] Lilith Ivory: they can experiment but still need approval
[2021/08/01 12:59] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 12:59] Sudane Erato: lol... thank goodness for me! :)
[2021/08/01 12:59] Mizou Vavoom: lol Sudane
[2021/08/01 12:59] Delia Lake: I don't know. I think that people can learn building skills by experimenting on their own property. they just can't leave unfinished buildings rezzed when they log off
[2021/08/01 12:59] Delia Lake: imo
[2021/08/01 12:59] Rosie Gray: and you are hardly in that category, Sudane!
[2021/08/01 12:59] Lilith Ivory: they can always build on a sky plattform
[2021/08/01 13:00] Rosie Gray: I think if you want to make a building, you make it on a platform
[2021/08/01 13:00] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2021/08/01 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: which is in the convenant yes?
[2021/08/01 13:00] Lilith Ivory: yes sure
[2021/08/01 13:00] Rosie Gray: yes it is, Mizou
[2021/08/01 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: thanks
[2021/08/01 13:00] Lilith Ivory: just above 10000 meters
[2021/08/01 13:00] Delia Lake: again I'm going to push back
[2021/08/01 13:00] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2021/08/01 13:01] Delia Lake: I usually build on my platforms but sometimes you need to fit a building to the site where it will be, particularly in NFS where the land is uneven
[2021/08/01 13:01] Rosie Gray: yes, but you can take a footprint
[2021/08/01 13:01] Rosie Gray: and put it up in the sky
[2021/08/01 13:01] Delia Lake: that's not the same, Rosie
[2021/08/01 13:01] Sudane Erato: thats what I do
[2021/08/01 13:01] Rosie Gray: you don't need to actually build it on the ground
[2021/08/01 13:01] Rosie Gray: that's what I do
[2021/08/01 13:01] Mizou Vavoom: same here
[2021/08/01 13:01] Lilith Ivory: you can build on the ground and push it up into the sky when you have to go offline
[2021/08/01 13:02] Rosie Gray: yes or that
[2021/08/01 13:02] Rosie Gray: or even make it invisible
[2021/08/01 13:02] Delia Lake: that would work, Lil, yes
[2021/08/01 13:02] Sudane Erato: I roughly model the elevation of the place, as well as mark the parcel borders
[2021/08/01 13:02] Delia Lake: or make it invisible, yes
[2021/08/01 13:02] Rosie Gray: but what you can't do is leave it there unfinished
[2021/08/01 13:02] Sudane Erato: well, we all agree on that
[2021/08/01 13:03] Delia Lake: or visibly unfinished on the outside -- missing texture, walls that are standing there alone, and such
[2021/08/01 13:03] Rosie Gray: anyway, it's one thing for an experienced builder but something else for a newbie who wants to try it
[2021/08/01 13:03] Rosie Gray: well, the thing though is that it still needs to be approved
[2021/08/01 13:03] Sudane Erato: yes...
[2021/08/01 13:03] Rosie Gray: and you can't approve something that's not finished
[2021/08/01 13:04] Sudane Erato: I get my own builds approved in New England... just for forms sake
[2021/08/01 13:04] Lilith Ivory: /me smiles
[2021/08/01 13:04] Sudane Erato: so I could do that here too
[2021/08/01 13:04] Rosie Gray: I think we would all have to comply with that
[2021/08/01 13:04] Delia Lake: no but you can rez it while you are there working on it and derez or put on a platform when you leave
[2021/08/01 13:04] Rosie Gray: yes, Delia ㋡
[2021/08/01 13:05] Mizou Vavoom: Ok lts move on, please
[2021/08/01 13:05] Sudane Erato: yes
[2021/08/01 13:05] Rosie Gray: please
[2021/08/01 13:05] Mizou Vavoom: 5. Miscellaneous:
a. Connecting CDS to Linden waters update (Sudane)
[2021/08/01 13:05] Delia Lake: I want our regions to be aesthetically beautiful but don't want to stiffle creativity
[2021/08/01 13:05] Sudane Erato: ok
[2021/08/01 13:05] Delia Lake: sorry. lag
[2021/08/01 13:06] Sudane Erato: not much to report.... we're waiting on developments with the Lindens
[2021/08/01 13:06] Mizou Vavoom: ok thanks Sudane for looing after this
[2021/08/01 13:06] Sudane Erato: I've suggested to Kyoko that we invite Madori to come visit
[2021/08/01 13:06] Rosie Gray: oh great!
[2021/08/01 13:06] Sudane Erato: so that's next... but Kyoko has been very busy
[2021/08/01 13:06] Sudane Erato: it will happen soon
[2021/08/01 13:07] Sudane Erato: but otherwise we just wait
[2021/08/01 13:07] Mizou Vavoom: oh she is talking to the Lindens?
[2021/08/01 13:07] Sudane Erato: and keep reminding them we're here :)
[2021/08/01 13:07] Sudane Erato: yes, she and I are
[2021/08/01 13:07] Sudane Erato: emailing mostly
[2021/08/01 13:07] Rosie Gray: do let us know if Midori comes to visit
[2021/08/01 13:07] Rosie Gray: we should be around
[2021/08/01 13:07] Sudane Erato: we had one chit chat
[2021/08/01 13:07] Mizou Vavoom: yes please
[2021/08/01 13:07] Rosie Gray: make a show of our community as best we can
[2021/08/01 13:08] Sudane Erato: well... I'll leave that to Kyoko on how she wants to do that..
[2021/08/01 13:08] Delia Lake: brb. it's raining in rl and I need to bring in the hammock
[2021/08/01 13:08] Sudane Erato: with citizens or without
[2021/08/01 13:08] Lilith Ivory: lol
[2021/08/01 13:08] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[2021/08/01 13:08] Rosie Gray: well just thinking that it wouldn't look good for her to come here and there's nobody around
[2021/08/01 13:08] Lilith Ivory: I´d be happy to act as a citizen dummy ;-)
[2021/08/01 13:08] Sudane Erato: *shrug*
[2021/08/01 13:09] Sudane Erato: not sure... most sims are empty
[2021/08/01 13:09] Sudane Erato: wheras evidence of our community is all around
[2021/08/01 13:09] Sudane Erato: I'll leave it to her
[2021/08/01 13:09] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 13:10] Sudane Erato: the key thing is to push to a proposal from LL
[2021/08/01 13:10] Sudane Erato: that's my agenda
[2021/08/01 13:10] Sudane Erato: whatever it is
[2021/08/01 13:10] Sudane Erato: we bring that proposal to the community
[2021/08/01 13:11] Mizou Vavoom: looking forward
[2021/08/01 13:11] Sudane Erato: yes! :)
[2021/08/01 13:11] Mizou Vavoom: thanks sudane
[2021/08/01 13:11] Mizou Vavoom: next item
[2021/08/01 13:11] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2021/08/01 13:11] Mizou Vavoom: b. Ice cave review
[2021/08/01 13:11] Mizou Vavoom: not sure where that stands
[2021/08/01 13:12] Rosie Gray: weren't we waiting for everyone to go and have a look at it?
[2021/08/01 13:13] Sudane Erato: I've looked
[2021/08/01 13:13] Mizou Vavoom: i sincerely can't remember
[2021/08/01 13:13] Lilith Ivory: me too
[2021/08/01 13:13] Lilith Ivory: we could go there either now or hold the next meeting there
[2021/08/01 13:13] Delia Lake: back
[2021/08/01 13:13] Sudane Erato: **brrrrhh**
[2021/08/01 13:13] Rosie Gray: wb
[2021/08/01 13:13] Lilith Ivory: (me too I have looked)
[2021/08/01 13:14] Rosie Gray: well
[2021/08/01 13:14] Rosie Gray: then maybe we make some recommendations?
[2021/08/01 13:14] Sudane Erato: sure!
[2021/08/01 13:14] Sudane Erato: but I think they would be tough
[2021/08/01 13:14] Mizou Vavoom: next meeting there
[2021/08/01 13:14] Sudane Erato: it has few prims
[2021/08/01 13:14] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 13:14] Rosie Gray: so whatever it has to be simple
[2021/08/01 13:14] Mizou Vavoom: and there is a prim issue
[2021/08/01 13:15] Sudane Erato: I think its OK... but the trouble is for me that it often doesn't rez
[2021/08/01 13:15] Rosie Gray: I don't care for it
[2021/08/01 13:15] Mizou Vavoom: so it needs replacing anyways
[2021/08/01 13:15] Lilith Ivory: I honestly never liked it
[2021/08/01 13:15] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer to have some trees and perhaps a bench there
[2021/08/01 13:15] Sudane Erato: well... not sure what the options are other than removing it
[2021/08/01 13:15] Rosie Gray: a few trees and a bench?
[2021/08/01 13:16] Lilith Ivory: instead of the cave
[2021/08/01 13:16] Sudane Erato: *shrug*... sure
[2021/08/01 13:16] Delia Lake: my only request is that if we decide on removing that I take the stuff up and not have it returned to my lost and found
[2021/08/01 13:16] Rosie Gray: or even a mesh 'top of mountain'
[2021/08/01 13:16] Mizou Vavoom: mesh mountain
[2021/08/01 13:16] Rosie Gray: like a rock
[2021/08/01 13:16] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2021/08/01 13:16] Mizou Vavoom: i have nice rocks
[2021/08/01 13:16] Lilith Ivory: sounds good too if it isn´t too primmy
[2021/08/01 13:16] Sudane Erato: a Matterhorn :)
[2021/08/01 13:16] Rosie Gray: yes, not too primmy
[2021/08/01 13:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2021/08/01 13:16] Mizou Vavoom: with snow
[2021/08/01 13:16] Delia Lake: mesh that size is more primmy I think
[2021/08/01 13:17] Lilith Ivory: it needs to blend well with the terrain
[2021/08/01 13:17] Rosie Gray: and would be nice if it could b textured nicely with snow when the time comes
[2021/08/01 13:17] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2021/08/01 13:17] Rosie Gray: maybe one of the Skye pieces would do
[2021/08/01 13:17] Rosie Gray: but yes, has to be very low LI
[2021/08/01 13:17] Mizou Vavoom: yes should do
[2021/08/01 13:18] Mizou Vavoom: ok so can we agree to have next meeting there to create a proposal with sound ideas?
[2021/08/01 13:18] Sudane Erato: just a reminder that there is a path to it from FDS
[2021/08/01 13:18] Sudane Erato: so
[2021/08/01 13:18] Sudane Erato: that should have some logic
[2021/08/01 13:18] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 13:18] Sudane Erato: in the final solution
[2021/08/01 13:18] Mizou Vavoom: /me nods
[2021/08/01 13:18] Rosie Gray: maybe we can all have a look in our inventories and see if there's something appropriate?
[2021/08/01 13:18] Rosie Gray: so show next time
[2021/08/01 13:18] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2021/08/01 13:19] Sudane Erato: ok
[2021/08/01 13:19] Rosie Gray: to show*
[2021/08/01 13:19] Mizou Vavoom: agreed
[2021/08/01 13:19] Lilith Ivory: /me doesn´t have mesh rocks :(
[2021/08/01 13:19] Mizou Vavoom: Is there anything else we need to discuss: AOB?
[2021/08/01 13:19] Rosie Gray: yes
[2021/08/01 13:19] Mizou Vavoom: yes Rosie
[2021/08/01 13:19] Lilith Ivory: imo b´new business c got forgotten
[2021/08/01 13:19] Rosie Gray: I have purchased the new Cube Republic caves mesh system
[2021/08/01 13:19] Delia Lake: the cave has been there since before there were any mesh rocks
[2021/08/01 13:20] Mizou Vavoom: c. Inspection of buildings we have placed on vacant parcels to make them more attractive (Proposed by Lilith)
[2021/08/01 13:20] Lilith Ivory: new business c - inspection of placeholder buildings
[2021/08/01 13:20] Rosie Gray: oh sorry Lilith
[2021/08/01 13:20] Rosie Gray: let's discuss c first then
[2021/08/01 13:20] Lilith Ivory: there are three in LA that fit the covenant but at least one points in the wrong direction
[2021/08/01 13:20] Delia Lake: another question. What about the MoCA NFS building? it wasn't on the agenda
[2021/08/01 13:20] Lilith Ivory: looks like a bunch of row houses
[2021/08/01 13:20] Mizou Vavoom: no its the guilds business
[2021/08/01 13:21] Lilith Ivory: sadly I forgot to take pictures
[2021/08/01 13:21] Mizou Vavoom: the MoCa
[2021/08/01 13:21] Rosie Gray: MoCA was moved to the guild last meeting
[2021/08/01 13:21] Rosie Gray: oh where is that, Lilith?
[2021/08/01 13:21] Delia Lake: ok. I wasn't at the previous meeting
[2021/08/01 13:21] Lilith Ivory: the three bigger parcels at the road from CN down to the harbor
[2021/08/01 13:22] Lilith Ivory: the middle house has NO window facing the water :(
[2021/08/01 13:22] Rosie Gray: oh my
[2021/08/01 13:22] Mizou Vavoom: :(
[2021/08/01 13:22] Sudane Erato: these are just staging houses?
[2021/08/01 13:22] Mizou Vavoom: is that building anchored?
[2021/08/01 13:22] Lilith Ivory: I think we have a lot better buildings in our inventories
[2021/08/01 13:22] Sudane Erato: no
[2021/08/01 13:22] Lilith Ivory: no it´s just a place holder
[2021/08/01 13:23] Rosie Gray: staging
[2021/08/01 13:23] Rosie Gray: can you move it around, Lilith?
[2021/08/01 13:23] Sudane Erato: so can't we just suggest adjustnments?
[2021/08/01 13:23] Rosie Gray: whatever is staged should be shared with the LV group
[2021/08/01 13:23] Lilith Ivory: and now that we have so many ancored buildings a sign might be needed to say tis house can be returned
[2021/08/01 13:23] Sudane Erato: or just do adjustments...
[2021/08/01 13:23] Sudane Erato: is there a political issue here?
[2021/08/01 13:23] Lilith Ivory: no it doesn´t fit the parcel otherwise
[2021/08/01 13:24] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think there is a political issue :)
[2021/08/01 13:24] Rosie Gray: I don't think I know which parcels
[2021/08/01 13:24] Mizou Vavoom: /me wondering which political issue :)
[2021/08/01 13:24] Sudane Erato: so lets just fix it... its just staging
[2021/08/01 13:24] Lilith Ivory: the only issue I can think off is hurting the feelings of the ones who rezzed them
[2021/08/01 13:24] Rosie Gray: are we talking about the south side of the river?
[2021/08/01 13:24] Rosie Gray: yes, that's it, Lilith
[2021/08/01 13:25] Lilith Ivory: near the sim border
[2021/08/01 13:25] Mizou Vavoom: Maybe we can go there?
[2021/08/01 13:25] Sudane Erato: well, Lil... surely we can have a friendly chat with them
[2021/08/01 13:25] Mizou Vavoom: and see if we have something in our inventrory to replace it?
[2021/08/01 13:25] Rosie Gray: let's go see
[2021/08/01 13:25] Lilith Ivory: fine with me
[2021/08/01 13:25] Mizou Vavoom: who placed it?
[2021/08/01 13:25] Lilith Ivory: the middle one is Em and the two at the side are Kyoko
[2021/08/01 13:25] Lilith Ivory: what bothers me most is Ems
[2021/08/01 13:25] Mizou Vavoom: hmmm hmmm hmmm
[2021/08/01 13:25] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[2021/08/01 13:26] Mizou Vavoom: i have had to remove one of her builds before
[2021/08/01 13:26] Mizou Vavoom: poor choice
[2021/08/01 13:26] Rosie Gray: well, is it okay to return the Chancellor's staging? or the official gardener's?
[2021/08/01 13:26] Sudane Erato: I think Em will be fine with guidance if we're friendly about it
[2021/08/01 13:26] Rosie Gray: I think so too, Sudane
[2021/08/01 13:26] Sudane Erato: she does very nice gardens
[2021/08/01 13:26] Lilith Ivory: yes of course
[2021/08/01 13:26] Delia Lake: :/ Her own properties have nice buildings
[2021/08/01 13:26] Rosie Gray: she does... really beautiful
[2021/08/01 13:26] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2021/08/01 13:27] Lilith Ivory: her house is nice too, just doesn´t look good at thois place
[2021/08/01 13:27] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/08/01 13:27] Sudane Erato: sure... that can happpen
[2021/08/01 13:27] Lilith Ivory: perhaps she even rezzed it befor the one in front of it was there
[2021/08/01 13:27] Rosie Gray: wouldn't it be appropriate to point it out to the Chancellor?
[2021/08/01 13:28] Rosie Gray: let's go look
[2021/08/01 13:28] Lilith Ivory: as we are advicory we should
[2021/08/01 13:28] Sudane Erato: makes sense
[2021/08/01 13:28] Rosie Gray: I can't imagine these
[2021/08/01 13:28] Mizou Vavoom: ok before we go can we agree for th enext meeting??
[2021/08/01 13:28] Sudane Erato: yes, cause i must go
[2021/08/01 13:28] Lilith Ivory: ok
[2021/08/01 13:28] Rosie Gray: sure... and I have something for item 6 too
[2021/08/01 13:28] Mizou Vavoom: 15 august at 9:30 as Rosie an dmyself have a long class afterwards
[2021/08/01 13:28] Mizou Vavoom: oh
[2021/08/01 13:29] Rosie Gray: I don't know if I can make August 15
[2021/08/01 13:29] Lilith Ivory: wasn´t a RA meeting sheduled then - later this day?
[2021/08/01 13:29] Mizou Vavoom: ok august 14?
[2021/08/01 13:29] Rosie Gray: I have a visitor coming and if I try to go to the Blender class too it's too much time
[2021/08/01 13:29] Rosie Gray: 14th is okay for me
[2021/08/01 13:29] Lilith Ivory: fine with me
[2021/08/01 13:29] Delia Lake: probably ok
[2021/08/01 13:30] Rosie Gray: RA meetings is the 21st
[2021/08/01 13:30] Sudane Erato: ok with me
[2021/08/01 13:30] Mizou Vavoom: at 9:30 or 12?
[2021/08/01 13:30] Sudane Erato: either for me
[2021/08/01 13:30] Rosie Gray: 9:30?
[2021/08/01 13:30] Lilith Ivory: either for me too , with preferance for 9:30
[2021/08/01 13:30] Mizou Vavoom: ok 9:30 aug 14 saturday agreed
[2021/08/01 13:30] Mizou Vavoom: vote?
[2021/08/01 13:31] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/08/01 13:31] Lilith Ivory: aywé
[2021/08/01 13:31] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2021/08/01 13:31] Sudane Erato: aye
[2021/08/01 13:31] Mizou Vavoom: great so Rosie can we move what you were goign tto discuss to next time? or is it urgent?
[2021/08/01 13:31] Rosie Gray: not urgent
[2021/08/01 13:31] Mizou Vavoom: ok next time on agenda

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