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New Guild meeting minutes - 29th October 2011

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New Guild meeting 10am 29th October 2011

Present

Ceasar Xigalia
Sudane Erato
CLEOPATRA Xigalia
HonestHeart Resident
Bells Semyorka
Fern Leissa
Pip Torok
Trebor Warcliffe
SDolphin Resident
Callipygian Christensen
Tor Karlsvalt
Edward Ballinger

Agenda as discussed

1. Minutes of last meeting - points of accuracy - points of clarification

2. New Guild catalogue proposal for Locus Amoenus

3. Citizen builders - creation of a list of volunteers

4. RA mandate for public monuments and buildings

5. NG Finances - Rose Springfield's proposal

http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 538#p18030

6. Report to New Guild on Insula location

7. Additional sims - Trebor's post

http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3551

8. Any other business

Notes cards

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New Guild catalogue proposal

That New Guild develop a catalogue of pre approved builds for LA. in the theme of the build.
That to ensure the 'high level of build quality' and to remain consistent with the laws of CDS, builds be submitted to the New Guild and the Chancellor to be approved.
Only when approved will a build be entered into the catalogue.
That the catalogue should designate whether the builder is a CDS citizen or not.
That each approved builder agree to provide one free to purchase build to the catalogue before they may include builds for purchase to be included into the CDS catalog
That citizens not be required to use catalogue builds on their land, in which situation the normal approval process through the Chancellor would apply.

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RA mandate for public monuments and buildings

The following mandate was given by the RA to the NG in the RA meeting of 16th October 2011

Taken from the minutes of the meeting

[14:02] Arria Perreault: Caesar, the RA gives the NG the mandate to make a list of all CDS public monuments to be archived
[14:02] Fern Leissa: we request that they make a list of all CDS public monuments and buildings

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New Guild Committe Report
on Suggested Location of Insulae in Locus Amoenus

Meeting held October 22, 2011 at 1 pm slt

Committee Members: Pip, Fern, Tor, Trebor and Alexia

Present: Tor, Trebor, Fern, Bells, Frankie, Sonja, Sudane

Recommended Insulae Location: P.04- P.07, the central courtyard for these plots and a portion of the public land (Land Verwaltung) that runs between P.06/P.07 and P. 08/P.09

Trebor presented plan (60m x 56m square; a structure surrounding a common central courtyard) he had submitted to the forum. Group evaluated the feasibility of using the recommended location based on Trebor's specific layout for insulae. This does not preclude using some other layout on these plots but did show that at least one layout for insulae is feasible.

Using Trebor's layout, the recommended location could support 8 shop/apartment units; 4 units facing the water, 4 units facing the main road. The main entrances for each unit would be facing out to either the main street or a street (new) that runs along the water at the edge of the sim. Each unit would have a different owner. These units would cost a citizen about US $3.25 per month.

The recommended area would need to be reparceled into 8 parcels under this plan. Trebor's layout was designed to keep the ratio of public land to private land the same, meaning the central courtyard would be public land.

There was an informal meeting of a number of CDS citizens on Oct 15th that also recommended using land in this same area of LA for the creation of insulae.

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Meeting recording

[10:03] Ceasar Xigalia: starting recording
[10:03] Ceasar Xigalia: does everyone have an agenda?
[10:04] Bells Semyorka: yes
[10:04] HonestHeart: yes I do
[10:04] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: great
[10:04] Chat Range: Fern Leissa [18m]
[10:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yay fern!
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: i have put some approximate times for items to help us move along
[10:04] HonestHeart: Hi Fern
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Fern welcome
[10:04] Fern Leissa: Hi CLEO :)
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: agenda in the box
[10:04] Fern Leissa: Hi HH
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: item 1
[10:05] Fern Leissa: Hi Ceasar
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: last minutes points of accuracy
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: any corrections additions?
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: ok
[10:05] Long Range: Pip Torok [94m]
[10:05] Chat Range: Pip Torok [14m]
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: any points of clarification?
[10:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: seems good to me
[10:05] Long Range: SDolphin Resident [91m]
[10:06] Sudane Erato: m e too
[10:06] Bells Semyorka: same here,looking good
[10:06] Fern Leissa: Yes. Looks fine
[10:06] Sudane Erato: hi Pip :)
[10:06] Pip Torok: hi Sudane!
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i propose we accept the minutes do i have a second?
[10:06] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip :)
[10:06] HonestHeart: Hi Bells
[10:06] Fern Leissa: Second
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Pip
[10:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hello pip :)
[10:06] Pip Torok: hi Ceasar
[10:06] HonestHeart: Hi Pip
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: say aye if you accept the minutes
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[10:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[10:07] Fern Leissa: aye
[10:07] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:07] HonestHeart: aye
[10:07] Pip Torok: aye
[10:07] Ceasar Xigalia: minutes accepted
[10:07] Ceasar Xigalia: item 2 new guild catalogue for LA
[10:07] Chat Range: Trebor Warcliffe [9m]
[10:07] Fern Leissa: :) Hi Trebor
[10:07] Ceasar Xigalia: I have put a copy of the agreed note that went to the last RA in the minutes
[10:07] Ceasar Xigalia: hi Trebor
[10:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Hey everyone
[10:08] HonestHeart: Hi Trebor
[10:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Im in class working on my research paper LOL
[10:08] Ceasar Xigalia: I have asked Bells as Admin Director to start the process of building the catalogue
[10:08] Sudane Erato: haha
[10:09] Fern Leissa: :)
[10:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: double dipping trebor, wb bells
[10:09] Sudane Erato: sorry... that was to Trebor, not Bells
[10:09] Trebor Warcliffe: ...
[10:09] Ceasar Xigalia: If anyone wishes to be included in the cataloge they should contact either Bells or myself
[10:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we will get trebor to mulittask one way or another .. oh shssshhhh me
[10:09] Trebor Warcliffe: lol
[10:09] Sudane Erato: I can't build anything new now, but I'm happy to contribute all my existing LA things
[10:09] Ceasar Xigalia: once we have a list of those who wish to be included we will bring it to a NG meeting
[10:10] Chat Range: SDolphin Resident [7m]
[10:10] Fern Leissa raises hand
[10:10] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Sdolphin
[10:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Edward will contribute he is a new builder and citizen.
[10:10] HonestHeart: Hi Dolph
[10:10] Fern Leissa: Hi Sdolphin
[10:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Hello SDolphin
[10:10] Ceasar Xigalia: anything else for item 2?
[10:10] SDolphin: hi all
[10:10] Ceasar Xigalia: ok item 3
[10:11] Fern Leissa raises hand
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: ok Fern
[10:11] Fern Leissa: Ty Ceasar. Just to clarify. At this point we are not asking for builds, just builders who say they want to contribute?
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: yes
[10:11] Fern Leissa: ok. Ty :)
[10:12] Ceasar Xigalia: hopefully creating a list should be a quick process, perhaps bells can post on the forums to request contributers
[10:12] Ceasar Xigalia: ok item 3
[10:13] Bells Semyorka: I can do that Cesar sure
[10:13] Ceasar Xigalia: ty
[10:13] Ceasar Xigalia: we are also looking for to update the list of volunteer builders for NG and CDS
[10:13] Pip Torok: bells .. do you expect volunteers to apply to you directly or to the Forum or how?
[10:14] Bells Semyorka: I would assume the forum, but i would be willing to take notcards
[10:14] Bells Semyorka: what ever is easier for them
[10:15] Pip Torok: tks bells
[10:15] Ceasar Xigalia: for item 3 volunteers people can either reply to bells or myself
[10:15] Ceasar Xigalia: ok item 4
[10:16] Ceasar Xigalia: please make sure you have the shorter notecard up, i mistakenly sent out a longer copy of the RA minutes in the first agenda notice
[10:16] Trebor Warcliffe: I just read that. Isnt that the job of the Archivist?
[10:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I think thats the title of the position
[10:17] Ceasar Xigalia: the RA gave the job of listing the buildings and monuments to the NG at the last meeting
[10:18] Ceasar Xigalia: we will then pass this to the RA and the Archivist who will seek to ensure that they have coipies of the SL objects that make up these buildings
[10:18] Trebor Warcliffe: Does it also address the need to have these items transferred to the CDS? Or are we just concentratign on a list for now?
[10:18] Fern Leissa raises hand
[10:18] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry
[10:18] Trebor Warcliffe: you answered my question
[10:18] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern after myself
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: then list will cover a number of attributes of the buildings
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i guess we can start the meetingFern
[10:20] Ceasar Xigalia: sorry strange chat lag
[10:20] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern
[10:20] Fern Leissa: Just to clarify for Terbor because I asked Arria the same question
[10:20] Fern Leissa: Apparently, the Archivists is only responsible for archiving the builds, not tracking down the copies
[10:20] Fern Leissa: That is the responsibility of the NG. It should perhaps have been done by past NGs but..
[10:21] Fern Leissa: for whatever reasons was not... so we are playing catch-up
[10:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[10:21] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor after Fern
[10:22] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasr after Trebor
[10:22] Fern Leissa: I was thinking of suggesting Ceasar, that we appoint a person per sim to make a list of public or historic structures for that sim
[10:22] Fern Leissa: done
[10:22] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor
[10:22] Trebor Warcliffe: I was going to say the same thing. Or we have a day where all of us can gather and do it as a grouip. Fern's is easier to pull off i think
[10:23] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Done
[10:24] Ceasar Xigalia: Pip after Ceasar
[10:24] Ceasar Xigalia: it makes sense that the NG collate the buildings as we are responsible for many public builds
[10:24] Pip Torok: point of information
[10:24] Pip Torok: are the semipublic builds like the mehana or the oldbowl to be on the list?
[10:24] Pip Torok: done
[10:25] Ceasar Xigalia: I asked Bells as Admin director to manage the collation of the public building list
[10:25] Ceasar Xigalia: I suggest people talk with Bells to ensure that they contribute to the lists
[10:25] Pip Torok: ok tks
[10:26] Ceasar Xigalia: the lists will come back to this meeting before being sent to the RA and Archivist
[10:26] Ceasar Xigalia: any other comments?
[10:27] Fern Leissa: :) no
[10:27] Trebor Warcliffe: no
[10:27] Ceasar Xigalia: we appear to be just about on time
[10:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yay
[10:27] Ceasar Xigalia: but the next section may take longer
[10:28] Sudane Erato: sorry... must leave :(
[10:28] Fern Leissa: Bye Sudane
[10:28] Sudane Erato: bye all
[10:28] Bells Semyorka: bye Sudane.
[10:28] Trebor Warcliffe: bye
[10:28] Ceasar Xigalia: tahnsk for attending sudane, i know you have a prior engagement
[10:28] HonestHeart: bye bye
[10:28] Pip Torok: bye sudane
[10:29] Ceasar Xigalia: Ok item 5 NG finances and land
[10:29] Free Radar HUD v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
[10:29] Fern Leissa raises hand
[10:29] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern
[10:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sorry
[10:30] Fern Leissa: Ceasar the card I have for NG finances is blank
[10:30] Pip Torok: mine too
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: yes mine is showing that but wasnt earlier
[10:30] Bells Semyorka: same here
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: let me fix this
[10:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oops
[10:30] Bells Semyorka: :)
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: apologies
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: sl glitch
[10:34] HonestHeart: could we move to number 6 and come back to 5 after it loads?
[10:34] Ceasar Xigalia: I just ahve it
[10:34] Fern Leissa accepted your inventory offer.
[10:34] Trebor Warcliffe accepted your inventory offer.
[10:34] Bells Semyorka accepted your inventory offer.
[10:34] HonestHeart Resident accepted your inventory offer.
[10:34] CLEOPATRA Xigalia accepted your inventory offer.
[10:34] Pip Torok accepted your inventory offer.
[10:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ty C
[10:35] Bells Semyorka: thank you
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: ok looks like you all got it
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: teach me to say I'm on time
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: lol
[10:35] HonestHeart: Giggle
[10:36] Ceasar Xigalia: ok this was on our agenda for last meeting but we ran out of time
[10:36] Fern Leissa: Yes. Ty Ceasar :)
[10:36] Ceasar Xigalia: has everyone read it?
[10:37] Pip Torok: more or less! .. yes
[10:37] Bells Semyorka: speed reading
[10:37] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i would like to open a discussion on it
[10:38] Ceasar Xigalia: do we want to follow this proposal or someting like it ....thoughts?
[10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think its a good idea what rose is putting forward
[10:39] Bells Semyorka: I do as well ; however I feel the amount of 200l is a bit high
[10:39] Bells Semyorka: *2000l
[10:39] Fern Leissa raises hand
[10:39] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern
[10:40] Fern Leissa: I feel a little uncomfortable with the idea of specifing a particular sum as part of legislation
[10:40] Pip Torok agrees
[10:40] Fern Leissa: It kind of locks us in in a way that might not match project needs of a particular year
[10:40] Fern Leissa: done
[10:40] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasar
[10:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:41] Ceasar Xigalia: how about the NG asks the Chancellor for a budget at the start of each term...
[10:41] Bells Semyorka: /mw raises hand
[10:41] Ceasar Xigalia: the Chancellor can agree that based on the needs of the NG
[10:42] Fern Leissa: Yes :) Like that idea
[10:42] Pip Torok: so do I
[10:42] Ceasar Xigalia: rather than , as you said Fern, it being specified in legislation
[10:42] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:42] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[10:42] Bells Semyorka raises hand
[10:42] Ceasar Xigalia: Bells after Cleo
[10:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think we should only get money as we need it, on an as needed basis per project.
[10:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: end
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: Bells
[10:43] Bells Semyorka: I can only speak from expierence, but perhaps a monthly calculation might be better events can change price
[10:43] Bells Semyorka: and times as well also some can br organized in a matter of days
[10:43] Bells Semyorka: there is no way to see every event in the future
[10:43] Bells Semyorka: done
[10:43] Bells Semyorka: done
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasar
[10:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:44] Fern Leissa: wb Trebor
[10:44] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo after Ceasar
[10:44] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry I had to move to a different part of tyhe building I losty teh wifi
[10:45] Bells Semyorka: WB treb
[10:45] Ceasar Xigalia: I suggest that I re draft the section on funds to take into account the comments made then bring that back to NG next week. I would propose that we do a line by line acceptance/change next week so that we can agree a final form for the RA
[10:45] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:45] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[10:45] HonestHeart: raises hand
[10:46] Ceasar Xigalia: HH after Cleo
[10:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i just didntunderstanad why we need a monthlt stipend sort of thing, only that we need money as we have projects happen, and then .. well if the land is all being held publically what is the point of the accounting nightmare
[10:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: d
[10:46] Ceasar Xigalia: HH
[10:46] HonestHeart: Is there such a thing as a gift donation to NG to use as they see fit?
[10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia nods
[10:47] Ceasar Xigalia: I'm sure that gift donate would be gratefully recieved
[10:47] Ceasar Xigalia: not sure of the mechanism but we could create one
[10:47] HonestHeart: and who would that be sent to?
[10:47] Ceasar Xigalia: :)
[10:47] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: I will check with Sudane who handles cash for us at the moment
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor
[10:48] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:48] HonestHeart: ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[10:48] HonestHeart: done
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: Pip after trebor
[10:48] Trebor Warcliffe: Honestly there is no need for a donation, however kind it is. The NG can recieve the stipend to be used on little things like new trees, fountains, a statue
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: .
[10:48] Trebor Warcliffe: etc etc
[10:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: the other time that NG is dealign with money
[10:49] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo after Pip
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: is when a project is taken on
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: such as the insulae we're workign on
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: The NG doesnt have any bills that need to be paid hence no need for a donation
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: Just my opinion
[10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: done
[10:49] Ceasar Xigalia: Pip
[10:49] Chat Range: Callipygian Christensen [18m]
[10:50] Pip Torok: iti wd need to be made clear that an NG donation doesnt have the citizen-creating poweres that an "ordinary" donation wd have .. done
[10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hi cally
[10:50] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi cally
[10:50] Fern Leissa: Hi Calli
[10:50] Bells Semyorka: ciao bella Calli
[10:50] Callipygian Christensen: hi all
[10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia looks puzzled
[10:50] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[10:50] Pip Torok: hi Calli!
[10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: : citizen creating powers ?? what do you mean pip?
[10:51] HonestHeart: Hi Calli
[10:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Pip do you mean like a potential conflict such a a builder making a donation and than puttign in a bid on a job?
[10:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok .. well i dont understnad at all what pip said , but just to reiterate, the projects we submit to the RA should be including budges i think
[10:52] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: d
[10:52] Bells Semyorka agrees with cleo on submitting budgets to the RA
[10:52] Ceasar Xigalia: any other thoughts
[10:52] Callipygian Christensen: it is possible to attain or maintain citizenship by sponsoring various public lands or buildings Cleo
[10:52] Ceasar Xigalia: thats a matter for the RA and SC not the NG i think
[10:52] Pip Torok: no .. rather that it shd be made clear that the donation remains a DONATION .. not an implied transaction
[10:52] Trebor Warcliffe: oh ok
[10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Personally I just dont see the need for the NG to accept donations in the first place
[10:53] Ceasar Xigalia: ok we are out of time on item 5
[10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: nwo that their funding will be supported by the CDS
[10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: done
[10:53] Pip Torok: some people are by nature generous, Trebor! ;)
[10:53] Ceasar Xigalia: i will bring a new proposal for us to consider next NG meeting
[10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: true
[10:54] Ceasar Xigalia: item 6 insula report
[10:54] Ceasar Xigalia: and as Fern is here and Trebor I will ask them to submit their report themsleves...the drawing Trebor did is on the board to my right
[10:55] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern. Trebor
[10:55] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oooooooooooooo
[10:55] Ceasar Xigalia: the floor is yours
[10:55] Trebor Warcliffe: Go ahead Fern
[10:55] Fern Leissa: :)
[10:55] Fern Leissa: I believe the location we're suggesting is more or less the same location
[10:56] Bells Semyorka: my apologies everyone, I must be leaving now. hope the rest of the meeting goes well. Lots of hugs and see you soon.
[10:56] Fern Leissa: talked about the week before Ceasar when you and others were wandering around LA
[10:56] Ceasar Xigalia: bye Bells
[10:56] HonestHeart: hugss Bells see ya soon
[10:56] Fern Leissa: Sudane has turned off the for-sale on those plots while we decide but I believe we need to submit our request to the RA soon
[10:56] Trebor Warcliffe: P 04, 05, 06, 07
[10:56] Pip Torok: bye bells
[10:56] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bye hon !
[10:57] Fern Leissa: We have increasingly few options as pp buy land as well
[10:57] Trebor Warcliffe: and the public parcels on either side of that group of four
[10:57] Fern Leissa: Yes. go ahead Trebor
[10:57] Trebor Warcliffe: I was just backing you up with the info, you can continue if youd like
[10:58] Fern Leissa: No. Actually I was thinking it might help to talk a little about the specifics and why we came up with this recommendation... using your plot plan
[10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[10:58] Ceasar Xigalia: :)
[10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: The top of the plot plan is hte north section of LA
[10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: which is currently water
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: nto an actual part of the sim
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: south of the water we have a strip of public land
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: we make this public land a stone road like the other roads in LA
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: it stretches from the east end of the plot all the way to the quay
[10:59] Fern Leissa whispers: This is where we need a laser pointer :)
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: yea righ
[10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: right
[10:59] Ceasar Xigalia: :))
[11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Now the builds themselves I've only designed the footprint
[11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: As you can see we have 4 corner parcels and 4 center parcels
[11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Even though these are individual units we want the building to be one connected piece
[11:01] Trebor Warcliffe: the north building's front will face the stone road
[11:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Both buildings rears will face into the center courtyard
[11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: There has been some talk about removing the small pathway from the east and west of the building
[11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: and only allowing access to the courtyard by the citizens who own the units surrounding it
[11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: This plot of land has a rather large slope
[11:02] Pip Torok: ?
[11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Accordign to Sudane we may be able to do a little terraforming but we wont have a complete flattenign of the land
[11:03] Trebor Warcliffe: One suggestion was to have 2 story units on the high side and 3 story units on teh low side
[11:03] Trebor Warcliffe: all ground floors are commercial
[11:03] Trebor Warcliffe: 2nd and 3rd are residential
[11:04] Trebor Warcliffe: My footprint keeps the public to private land ratio the same except for 6sqm
[11:04] Trebor Warcliffe: I think I've covered everything
[11:04] Trebor Warcliffe: Questions?
[11:04] Pip Torok raises hand
[11:04] Ceasar Xigalia: pip
[11:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand too
[11:04] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo after pip
[11:05] Pip Torok: this talk of having limited access .. wont it cause complications and what about residents who wish for their house to be open? done
[11:05] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor can you answer
[11:05] Trebor Warcliffe: In regards to the courtyard?
[11:06] Pip Torok: yes
[11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Again this was somethign that was talked about but obviously nothign is set in stone
[11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: I agree wiht you Id like to see builds that have a more open floor plan for the first floor
[11:06] Pip Torok: tks
[11:06] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: But that will be somethign the citizens will decide from the contest submitted to the builders for the actual design of the buildings
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: well i just wonder if this is the parameters we will give to the builder contestants ? and i wonder if we can give them as little of a guide as possible so as not to stifle their creativity
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: like the map
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: vacant land
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: go for it
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont see why would have a contest thent el the creators what to build
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: end.
[11:08] Fern Leissa raises hand
[11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Well we have certain perimeters that have to be met
[11:08] Ceasar Xigalia: soFern
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but lets just give them a clean slate
[11:08] Fern Leissa: CLEO raises an important point
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: nto box them in
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ty fern done
[11:09] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[11:09] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor
[11:09] Fern Leissa: Do we want to simply identify the plots for the insula in our proposal to the ra
[11:09] Fern Leissa: or do we also want to suggest the builders build to a specific template/layout such as Trebors?
[11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:09] Fern Leissa: done
[11:10] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think we can give an example but what if someone has an idea that would fit in the big square of land we have available, its not as if cutting land is difficult
[11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: itsnot
[11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so we can ask for proposals
[11:10] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[11:10] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor after Cleo
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and see what they come up with.. tell thm how many plots we would like not exactl y where
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: see id cut the open space to the water
[11:11] HonestHeart: raises hand
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so i like trebors idea and all, but make a contest so open that we get creativity , we can say no or modeify or cut land
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:11] Ceasar Xigalia: HH after Trebor
[11:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Im up?
[11:12] Long Range: jia53 Resident [94m]
[11:12] Ceasar Xigalia: trebor
[11:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok what Cleo suggests is not a problem at all.
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: My "plan" was only based on the idea of an insulae because thats what was being discussed
[11:13] Ceasar Xigalia: anything more trebor?
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: It could very well be farmland
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: or another idea
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: BUT
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: here's the important parts
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: If we give htem a blank slate to work with
[11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: we have to have (8) 256sqm parcels
[11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: I can lay out the exact perimiters on my plot
[11:14] Long Range: SDolphin Resident [92m]
[11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: the fountain and the two buildings behind the fountain will need to be removed
[11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Done
[11:14] Ceasar Xigalia: HH
[11:15] HonestHeart: I feel the builders should have a chance to show us what they could do with the land....it all has to be approved anwya doesn't it?
[11:15] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
[11:15] Fern Leissa raises hand
[11:15] Ceasar Xigalia: Ferna after HH
[11:15] HonestHeart: done
[11:15] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern
[11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand .
[11:16] Ceasar Xigalia: Celo After Fern Ceasar after Cleo
[11:17] Fern Leissa: Trebor I don't think CLEO is suggesting farmland, just that different styles of insula with different layouts might be possible, so maybe we simply want to say we need and apartment building with individual units and you must design it to fit this area. That is my understanding
[11:17] Trebor Warcliffe: sounds good
[11:17] Fern Leissa: done
[11:17] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: maybe we send trebors idea as an example they can use but allow them to also put a diferent format out if they think of one
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasar
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: Ok i would like to put this to a vote
[11:18] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: and if we agree on the proposal to send it to the RA
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: So basically we're sticking with the idea of an insulae but leaving open the design
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: We want (8) 256sqm units
[11:19] Ceasar Xigalia: thats what i want us to vote on
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: with no less than two units per building
[11:19] Fern Leissa raises hand
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: thqat gives builders flexibility
[11:19] Ceasar Xigalia: Fern
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: deone
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: done
[11:20] Fern Leissa: I like the idea of offering Trebors layout as a possible footprint with the idea that builders could come up with their own layout as long as it fit the land area and allowed for 8 256sqm units
[11:21] Long Range: Tor Karlsvalt [78m]
[11:21] Chat Range: Tor Karlsvalt [14m]
[11:21] Long Range: Viv Juniper [87m]
[11:21] Pip Torok: hi tor
[11:21] Close Range: Tor Karlsvalt [23m]
[11:21] Chat Range: Tor Karlsvalt [18m]
[11:21] Fern Leissa: done
[11:21] Fern Leissa: Hi Tor
[11:21] HonestHeart: Hi Tor
[11:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi all
[11:21] Ceasar Xigalia: hi tor
[11:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Greetings Tor
[11:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: long time no see Tor.
[11:22] Ceasar Xigalia: ok here is the vote i would like to do
[11:22] Ceasar Xigalia: option one an insula with 8 plots and the land cut as per the diagram on the board and a contest for builders to submit

or Option 2 the same but only with an outline of the build and 8 plots of 256m
[11:22] Ceasar Xigalia: do i have a second for the vote?
[11:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second
[11:22] Trebor Warcliffe: second
[11:22] Ceasar Xigalia: ok
[11:22] Pip Torok: second
[11:23] Ceasar Xigalia: please vote option 1 or 2
[11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 2
[11:23] Pip Torok: 1
[11:23] Trebor Warcliffe: I thought we were agreeing to both
[11:23] Fern Leissa raises hand
[11:23] Trebor Warcliffe: sorry lol
[11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
[11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i thought 1 was only yours treb, and two was either
[11:23] HonestHeart: 1
[11:24] Trebor Warcliffe: if 2 is both than i say 2
[11:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 1 is no open option for the creator to do soemthing different in design
[11:24] Tor Karlsvalt: might be best to keep votes to aye or nay
[11:24] HonestHeart: ok change to 1
[11:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i agree tor
[11:24] Ceasar Xigalia: any other votes
[11:24] HonestHeart: i want open option
[11:24] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[11:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so that would be 2 HH
[11:24] Ceasar Xigalia: ok that changes your vote HH to 2 correct?
[11:24] Chat Range: Edward Ballinger [5m]
[11:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think ??
[11:25] Fern Leissa: I'm sorry but 2 is unclear to me
[11:25] HonestHeart: yes 2
[11:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[11:25] HonestHeart: Hi Ed
[11:25] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Edward
[11:25] Fern Leissa: Does that mean you don't have to build an insula?
[11:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: meet Edward everyone
[11:25] Edward Ballinger: hi Everyone
[11:25] Ceasar Xigalia votes 2
[11:25] Fern Leissa: Hi Edward
[11:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Edward
[11:25] Pip Torok: hi edward
[11:25] Ceasar Xigalia: i think the 2 s have it
[11:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Welcome to CDS!
[11:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no they have to build an insulae, just they can reline the lots if they want to do somethin gdifferent
[11:25] Close Range: Viv Juniper [38m]
[11:26] Chat Range: Viv Juniper [15m]
[11:26] Ceasar Xigalia: so we will send a prposal to the RA with an outline for an insula in lA with 8 plots of 256m
[11:26] Close Range: Viv Juniper [21m]
[11:26] Trebor Warcliffe: I will leavev a message with Sudane to remove the two buildings that will no longer be needed along with the fountain
[11:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Edward is a new ctizen, and a roman builder
[11:26] Trebor Warcliffe: I will also place posts on the 4 corners of the entire plot
[11:26] Trebor Warcliffe: that the builders have to work with
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: can i have a final vote that we agree to send the proposal to the RA
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: second please
[11:27] Trebor Warcliffe: so they can physically see the area
[11:27] Trebor Warcliffe: second
[11:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: those in favour vote aye
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[11:27] HonestHeart: aye
[11:27] Trebor Warcliffe: aye
[11:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[11:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Well most builders will use parcel lines
[11:27] Pip Torok: aye
[11:27] Callipygian Christensen: aye
[11:27] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:27] Long Range: Viv Juniper [42m]
[11:27] Fern Leissa: aye
[11:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but they should know they can change them if it is necessary
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i will send the proposal
[11:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally, an EM or the EO would have to change the parcel lines once a build is selected.
[11:28] Ceasar Xigalia: Item 7 Additional sims
[11:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and thats easy enough
[11:29] Callipygian Christensen: I have to go to RL, but I've left a question re the Sudane sims with Fern - if she can find her IMs :)
[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: this comes from Trebors post and a meeting between Trebor, Tor Anna and myself a few days ago
[11:29] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Calli
[11:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bye Calli
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[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: Trebor can you quickly outline
[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: given time
[11:29] Trebor Warcliffe: Has everyone read the proposal on the forum or via email?
[11:29] Trebor Warcliffe: The key issue
[11:30] Pip Torok: yes
[11:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Is that we can accept the 4 sims ONLY if LL lets us have them at the Grandfathered tier
[11:30] Trebor Warcliffe: if not than its a no go
[11:30] Trebor Warcliffe: no ifs and's or but's
[11:30] Trebor Warcliffe: We
[11:30] Chat Range: Bells Semyorka [6m]
[11:30] Trebor Warcliffe: We're lookign at 1 Full sim and 3 homesteads $195 and $95
[11:31] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Bells
[11:31] Trebor Warcliffe: tier
[11:31] Trebor Warcliffe: a gift from Sudane
[11:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: awesome :)) wow
[11:31] Ceasar Xigalia: wb Bells
[11:31] Trebor Warcliffe: we're thinkin 3 island sims
[11:31] Bells Semyorka: hello everyone again
[11:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: wb bells
[11:31] Trebor Warcliffe: and one mainland sim
[11:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: water !
[11:31] Trebor Warcliffe: All calculations for land ratio and tier is in the proposal
[11:31] Tor Karlsvalt waits for inventory to load.
[11:32] Trebor Warcliffe: You guys may lose me here soon I am on battery power and in a public buildings wifi
[11:32] Trebor Warcliffe: I think I've covered a summary of it all
[11:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Questions?
[11:32] Ceasar Xigalia: ok this is a direct proposal to go to the RA and is coming I believe from Tor as Chancellor rather than NG
[11:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Correct
[11:33] Tor Karlsvalt: that would be right.
[11:33] Pip Torok: yes ... is the ng given a free hand to redesign and reterraform? done
[11:33] Ceasar Xigalia: however i wanted to allow us a few moments to discuss it and any thems for sim build that people wish to think about
[11:33] Tor Karlsvalt: yes pip
[11:33] Pip Torok: tks
[11:33] Tor Karlsvalt: We woud have to terraform he sims.
[11:33] Ceasar Xigalia: If the RA appo=roves then it would come back to NG to do the work yes Pip
[11:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Right, we are just up against a time constraint
[11:34] Pip Torok: which is?
[11:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes and we're still waiting to hear back from LL on the tier issue
[11:34] Ceasar Xigalia: open discussion
[11:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane would like to transver the sims by November 9th, when the tier is due.
[11:34] Trebor Warcliffe: The deadline is taking possession NLT November 9th
[11:34] Trebor Warcliffe: sorry Tor
[11:35] Tor Karlsvalt: np
[11:35] Pip Torok: ah ...
[11:35] Trebor Warcliffe: see everyone at the Halloween party I have an hour to drive home now
[11:35] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[11:35] Fern Leissa: Bye Trebor
[11:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so we need to recommend that we tke the sims or not, and that we will plan later
[11:35] Ceasar Xigalia: ok ty Trebor
[11:35] Pip Torok: take care trebor!
[11:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: drive safe !
[11:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, Cleo,that's right
[11:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i see ;) lets do it then
[11:36] Ceasar Xigalia: ok does any have any thoughts on themes
[11:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: buy it now, style it later.
[11:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I admit this is not the way we have done expansions in the past.
[11:36] Ceasar Xigalia: i have heard Greek islands and NFS part 2
[11:36] Fern Leissa: I would like to see a water sim of the dock in LA that continues the LA theme
[11:36] Bells Semyorka: I'd love to see a modern theme personally to draw more of the sl crowd in
[11:36] Fern Leissa: *off the docks
[11:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think its fine to just buy them and say we will figure out themes later, if the budget allows it to work
[11:36] Pip Torok: is this not a little premature to broach themes at this point?
[11:36] Ceasar Xigalia: i like the idea of Atlantic islands and a new americas sim
[11:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i agree with Pip
[11:36] Ceasar Xigalia: just for discussion pip
[11:37] Pip Torok: ok ...
[11:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: reads that line again
[11:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think we need to know that the budget will work, propose we get them to the RA and battle out the themes later
[11:37] Pip Torok: mizou and i were dreaming up a fantasy theme
[11:37] Bells Semyorka: unicorns?
[11:37] Bells Semyorka: im in if there are unicorns
[11:38] Bells Semyorka: lol
[11:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thems are irrelevant right now i think, premature like pip said
[11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Cleo
[11:38] Pip Torok: inc unicrons .. why not?? ;)
[11:38] Ceasar Xigalia: any other thoughts or discussion
[11:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: budget ?
[11:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: does it work ? yes or no
[11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: we do need some thought as to where to place the sims initially
[11:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: when does hat hanve to be decided tor
[11:38] Ceasar Xigalia: I believe Trebor set out the budget and has shown how it can work
[11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Well at the point of transfer.
[11:39] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what do we have to know by Nov 8
[11:39] Tor Karlsvalt: that is a bit tricky.
[11:39] Pip Torok: propose one sim on the NFS/MON corner
[11:39] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: excaltly what has a time restraint
[11:39] Bells Semyorka: is it possible we might be able to have an additional meeting on a sun to discuss this more
[11:39] Tor Karlsvalt: One thought will be to propose we add the water sims at No. 10, 9 and 15
[11:39] Pip Torok: my point exactly Bells!! :-)
[11:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what about names ?
[11:40] Bells Semyorka: i think names corrospond with theme
[11:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but what do we have to have known by the deadline?
[11:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: name place and yes or no? anything else
[11:40] Tor Karlsvalt: We will have to delay on renaming the sims once we establish the themes.
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok ;)
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: we really don't need the names
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: do we have to know where by the 7th?
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: we can use the old names until the themes are established.
[11:41] Pip Torok: and we need to know literally how we stand vis a vis AA
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: LL charges 50 usd to change a name.
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no biggie
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I do think we should pay Sudane something for them personally .
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yes PIp, If we want to place a sim at #10, that would need AA approval.
[11:42] Fern Leissa: Tor do we need to know where we are locating the sims by Nov 9?
[11:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I rezzed one of the old GMP maps above me
[11:43] Tor Karlsvalt: one option is nos. 10 9 15 for the sims to the NW
[11:43] Tor Karlsvalt: #10 would conflict with aa
[11:43] Tor Karlsvalt: They could refuese to allow it
[11:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why take the risk now ?
[11:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Another option would be 9, 15 and 21
[11:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it could slow it down
[11:44] Fern Leissa: 9, 15 and 21 sounds like a safer option
[11:44] Tor Karlsvalt: personally #21 would allow us to bring Mon to the sea and close up that side. That would make the island to the norh more appealing
[11:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lets be save
[11:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: safe
[11:44] Pip Torok: if refusal from aa is an option what about complete separation?
[11:44] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes pip
[11:45] Tor Karlsvalt: there is a chance that if we insisted on #10, LL might move the entire estate
[11:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we dont want to miss the deadline though
[11:45] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[11:45] Pip Torok: it solves those complications at a stroke and gives us a free hand to design at our pleasure
[11:45] Fern Leissa: We would have to pay for that... right? If they moved us?
[11:45] Ceasar Xigalia: important that we hit it if RA apporves
[11:45] Tor Karlsvalt: and then there is the matter of possibly putting a full sim east of NFS.
[11:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no fern
[11:45] Tor Karlsvalt: we can get up to 4 sims from sudane
[11:46] Pip Torok: yes .. i wd argue it wd be worth the money
[11:46] Ceasar Xigalia: ok looking at the time
[11:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we wouldnt have to pay to move if we do it when we place the new sims
[11:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it would be free
[11:46] Ceasar Xigalia: is there anything else on this item we need to discuss
[11:46] Tor Karlsvalt: well if we have to pay to move the sims ourselves, LL will charge $150.00 per sim
[11:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: not if we do it when we have the new ones put on, tor , i think its free then
[11:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: part of the moving the sims , thats what karen said the other night i thoght
[11:47] Ceasar Xigalia: ok can we move to item 8 AOB
[11:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not sure if LL has to do it for free, but there is a chance.
[11:47] Pip Torok: at least we now know the price of coop/noncoop with AA
[11:47] Ceasar Xigalia: does anyone have anything
[11:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: they will per karen.
[11:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Howver, I am not sure of the status of AA.
[11:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ill ask her .. again
[11:48] Tor Karlsvalt: No point moving away from a sim that might be gone anyway.
[11:48] Ceasar Xigalia: any other business
[11:48] Pip Torok: "might be gone"? .....
[11:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what if its free though ?
[11:49] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i move to adjurn...second
[11:49] Tor Karlsvalt: well, I have no objection to LL moving us.
[11:49] Pip Torok: second
[11:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I do think the islands woudl be best if the MON side is closed up
[11:49] Ceasar Xigalia: those in favour say aye
[11:49] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:49] HonestHeart: aye
[11:49] Pip Torok: aye
[11:49] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[11:49] Fern Leissa: aye
[11:49] Bells Semyorka: aye
[11:49] Ceasar Xigalia: ok meeting adjurned

Ceasar Xigalia,
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