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Transcript Guild meeting 7/3 New MoCa

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Transcript Guild meeting at the MoCa placement
Present: Mizou Vavoom, Almut Brunswick, Kyoko Furse-Barzane[Samara Barzane], Lilith Ivory, Coolin Seaside, Sudane Erato, Callipygian Christensen
Pictures:
https://gyazo.com/d8a2d0511b0354af877db1f0f5ce7460
https://gyazo.com/e9c16476603494fbb730ba3f60d39909
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[08:57] Lilith Ivory: HI Mizou and Almut
[08:57] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Lilith, Kyoko, almut
[08:57] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kyoko
[08:57] Almut Brunswick: Hallo Lilith
[08:58] Mizou Vavoom: I am wondering if we will get more Guild members
[08:58] Lilith Ivory: it´s always helpful to send out a group note 24h before the meeting
[08:58] Almut Brunswick: I haven't seen Rosie and Delia so far
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: yes, totally forgot yesterday
[08:59] Almut Brunswick: yes, I saw it just accidentally, too
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: Rosie has RL obligations
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): zzzzLOL
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): the sinner is here
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) giggles
[08:59] Lilith Ivory: I was totally surprised as I was thinking we only have a LUC meeting today
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: Ok is it possible to make the current MoCa dissappear?
[08:59] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kyoko (now that you are in chat range :)
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: yes we will as well
[09:00] Mizou Vavoom: the LUC meeting that is
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): you can derender the building temporarily I think
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but the artwork will remain
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): new exhibit!!
[09:00] Mizou Vavoom: ok could you derender it Kyoko? and will we all see it as derendered
[09:00] Lilith Ivory: here comes Sudane
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ask sudane to
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): not sure I can
[09:01] Lilith Ivory: I think anyone has derender for oneself
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): yes
[09:01] Lilith Ivory: Kyoko, why don´t you just .... *giggles
[09:01] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[09:01] Almut Brunswick: Done
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it won't be 100% as it's in parts
[09:02] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): shut it Lilith
[09:02] Mizou Vavoom: ok i derendered for me
[09:02] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:02] Mizou Vavoom: but it still shows
[09:02] Lilith Ivory: I see only parts now
[09:03] Mizou Vavoom: ok same here now i will bring down new shape proposal
[09:04] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sudane :)
[09:04] Sudane Erato: Hey... looks like the old one to me :)
[09:04] Lilith Ivory: we have derendered the old one so we can see what Mizou does
[09:05] Sudane Erato: hmmm
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: ok here it is in place (more or less)
[09:05] Sudane Erato: I see them both
[09:05] Lilith Ivory: did you derender the old one temporarily?
[09:05] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): we've derendered temp I hope LOL
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: i have derendered the old one for myself
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: yes temp lol
[09:06] Sudane Erato: how do you "derender"?
[09:06] Coolin Seaside: Hello...
[09:06] Sudane Erato: hi :)
[09:06] Callipygian Christensen: edit>more>more>derender>temporary
[09:06] Lilith Ivory: right click more more, derender
[09:06] Mizou Vavoom: right-click, more, derender/ temp
[09:06] Lilith Ivory: HI Calli, Hi Coolin
[09:06] Sudane Erato: oh!
[09:06] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Coolin
[09:06] Callipygian Christensen: oops..no edit lol
[09:07] Lilith Ivory: (I learned this trick with some very old waves in NE ;-))
[09:07] Coolin Seaside: Hi, I am just curious, don't let me disturb your important work
[09:07] Sudane Erato: when does it come back?
[09:07] Almut Brunswick: I think after relog
[09:07] Lilith Ivory: I guess the next time you log in
[09:07] Callipygian Christensen: when you relog
[09:08] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[09:08] Callipygian Christensen: it's a photgrapher's best friend lol
[09:08] Sudane Erato: you learn something every day
[09:08] Almut Brunswick: hence "temporarily"
[09:08] Sudane Erato: :)
[09:08] Lilith Ivory: it´s higher than the old one right?
[09:09] Mizou Vavoom shouts: Can you all maybe walk around the new space please?
[09:09] Callipygian Christensen: I am seeing a sea of grey, but it appears to be a bit bigger than the parcel lines to me?
[09:10] Callipygian Christensen: or maybe it just will be moved forward a bit
[09:12] Lilith Ivory: I am sorry but I am not happy with the fact it is one floor higher than before
[09:13] Almut Brunswick: Lilith, it rarely happens that we both agree, but that is also my concern
[09:13] Sudane Erato: :)
[09:13] Lilith Ivory grins
[09:13] Almut Brunswick: Well, even if so, the volumes are different then
[09:13] Sudane Erato: but i ask again... is it set at the right intyended elevation?
[09:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) is not touching terraforming LOL
[09:14] Lilith Ivory: Kyoko, I just said that I am not happy at all with the high
[09:14] Lilith Ivory: it is one floor higher than before and doesn´t look good
[09:14] Fearless Temptation (danifightgirl) is offline.
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): can we flatten the terrain?
[09:15] Almut Brunswick: one floor less would surely better. A terrace on top, however, would be nice
[09:15] Lilith Ivory: nope, I don´t think so
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it was designed to be at street level
[09:15] Lilith Ivory: if you flatten the terrain all surrounding houses will get affected
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ok my mistake
[09:16] Almut Brunswick: haha..."Kyoko'a Modern Art Cavern" :D
[09:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe, that would work ;_)
[09:16] Mizou Vavoom: yes i agree with Lilith, flattening would be a tricky thing on such a small plot
[09:16] Lilith Ivory: this is the first time I hear the new MOCa is going to become higher than the old
[09:16] Almut Brunswick: "Is it a bungalow?" "No, it has three basement levels..."
[09:16] Sudane Erato: wait wait
[09:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it isn't
[09:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): oh come on
[09:16] Callipygian Christensen: it actually will sit higher wont it? Or is the intention for the legacy pice to float on the upper level?
[09:17] Sudane Erato: the terra elevation can certainly be lowered
[09:17] Mizou Vavoom: well i really thought that we had measured it correctly to fit with current levels
[09:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): yes
[09:17] Sudane Erato: that should not be a constraining issue
[09:17] Lilith Ivory: if Sudane says she can do that I am fine :)
[09:17] Lilith Ivory: I just don´t want the new Moca to stick out more than the old one
[09:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): well let's see if sudane can
[09:18] Sudane Erato: this is why i ask if the build is at the intended elevation
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: yes it really sticks out, much to high in my mind as well
[09:18] Sudane Erato: it seems as if it should be a bit lower
[09:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): no it is not at the intended elevation
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: could you all pan to the outside top level please?
[09:18] Sudane Erato: how do you get in from the street?
[09:18] Lilith Ivory: especially with the huge plain walls at the back side
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: i was going to add stairs in the front poart Sudane
[09:19] Sudane Erato: i see
[09:19] Callipygian Christensen: so could we see it at the intended elevation?
[09:19] Mizou Vavoom: it looks out of proportion with the rest imho
[09:19] Sudane Erato: well... the terra level should not be a contraint... we can certainly lower it..
[09:19] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree Mizou :(
[09:20] Sudane Erato: but not below the level of... for example, Gwynethstrasse
[09:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Sudane just said the terra level is not a constraint
[09:20] Sudane Erato: yes, that's my opinion
[09:20] Mizou Vavoom: ok i move it down, then we can see, if it makes a difference
[09:20] Lilith Ivory: dig a hole and burry the MoCa inside ;-)
[09:20] Sudane Erato: :)
[09:20] Sudane Erato: no
[09:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I am sorry that I hung a new exhibit. I just got inspired
[09:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): It would be easier to see
[09:21] Mizou Vavoom: this is at street level now
[09:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): do you want me to remove th artworks?
[09:21] Sudane Erato: no no
[09:21] Mizou Vavoom: dont think that will make a difference Kyoko
[09:21] Callipygian Christensen: that puts adam ramona's piece half in the ceiling
[09:22] Mizou Vavoom: i have moved it where it would be, but still too ginormeous
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: i really think that the bigger floors on top are too big
[09:23] Sudane Erato: mizou... I think not too enormous... but
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: imo, it´s just that additional floor that sticks out too much :(
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: yes ?
[09:23] Sudane Erato: the north and south walls are large plain surfaces
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: yes that too
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: the sides?
[09:23] Sudane Erato: while the view from east and west is interesting
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:24] Mizou Vavoom: so i can make the two plain walls in steps, would that help?
[09:24] Sudane Erato: something needs to break the nroth and south views into more organic shapes
[09:24] Callipygian Christensen: well a gallery does need some wall space to actaully hang art on :)
[09:24] Almut Brunswick: I like these "steps" there
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): sudane says we can terraform to Gynethstrasse
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): that would make a difference
[09:24] Sudane Erato: I agree Almut, the steps are nice
[09:24] Sudane Erato: but the external view... the mass of the build
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I think the floors could be less tall
[09:25] Sudane Erato: looks very bulky from north and south
[09:25] Almut Brunswick: but the front to the street is somehow looking like it wants to "eat" the poor houses on the other side of the street
[09:25] Sudane Erato: but very wonderful from east and west
[09:25] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): can you imagine it lower with some terraforming?
[09:25] Almut Brunswick: yes, that blends well
[09:25] Sudane Erato: yes... it does lean over them
[09:25] Lilith Ivory: I have to agree with Almut :)
[09:25] Sudane Erato: *shrug*
[09:25] Lilith Ivory marks this day at her calendar
[09:26] Sudane Erato: hehe
[09:26] Almut Brunswick draws a red circle around the date "July 3"
[09:26] Mizou Vavoom: ok so N & S to fix
[09:26] Almut Brunswick: hahahaha
[09:26] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:26] Sudane Erato: Mizou, that would be my opinion
[09:26] Lilith Ivory: Almut we should celebrate 3th july every year ;-)
[09:26] Mizou Vavoom: should lower floor not be so high?
[09:26] Sudane Erato: YES! :)
[09:26] Almut Brunswick: Sounds like a plan
[09:27] Mizou Vavoom: then what about the finish of the roof section? any ideas to make it more interesting?
[09:27] Callipygian Christensen: If the overhang were on the opposite side, over the stepped section, it wouldnt overhang houses and would look neat I think
[09:27] Almut Brunswick: these tilted window fronts remind me a bit of an airfield tower. or race track architecture :d
[09:27] Sudane Erato: :)
[09:28] Sudane Erato: I like Calli's idea :)
[09:28] Mizou Vavoom: i can add more stepped section, no problem, so that it doesn't 'eat the houses'
[09:28] Sudane Erato: yummy houses! :)
[09:28] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:28] Mizou Vavoom: poor yummy houses lol
[09:28] Callipygian Christensen: you could then step the frotnt up square instead of angled..it would impose on the street less but still have character
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: yes, thats an idea Calli
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: the overhang is a bit too much
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: well, thats me back to the drawing board
[09:29] Almut Brunswick: you could create a house like that - but then it would need a huge place in front
[09:29] Sudane Erato: :)
[09:30] Lilith Ivory: and other modern building s beside
[09:30] Mizou Vavoom agree Almut
[09:30] Almut Brunswick: here, you are forced to respect the proportions of the other houses and the street geometry
[09:30] Mizou Vavoom: we can have another mini Guild meeting to check the MoCa with steps :)
[09:30] Callipygian Christensen: having the overhang angles at the back also balances the view if you look at the whole city from the south
[09:31] Callipygian Christensen: it offsets some of the volume of the Schloss that way
[09:31] Mizou Vavoom: yeah the back looks much nicer
[09:31] Almut Brunswick: Calli, I was about to say that: From teh distance, the MoCA would even cover the Schloss
[09:32] Sudane Erato: Mizou, maybe you can bring in some curved shape as well?
[09:32] Mizou Vavoom: sure, where would you have the curves Sudane?
[09:32] Almut Brunswick: Bézier curves are your friend, Mizou :D
[09:32] Mizou Vavoom: they are Almut :)
[09:33] Sudane Erato: I have specific idea... but for me the major issue is the external appearance and how it fits into the city
[09:33] Almut Brunswick: The front could have curved contours
[09:33] Lilith Ivory: yes exactly Sudane
[09:33] Mizou Vavoom agree with Sudane
[09:33] Sudane Erato: so... if you zoom out... you can visualize bulk shapes that relate to the other bulk shapes
[09:34] Sudane Erato: the city has lots of angles and corners and all... but it also has some curved shapes
[09:34] Almut Brunswick: and that with a lovely plain concrete texture....yummy
[09:34] Sudane Erato: well... Almut... the texture is something else
[09:34] Mizou Vavoom: yes, it looks too big and bulky for th emoment
[09:34] Sudane Erato: I presume that is not settled
[09:35] COCA Yven is online.
[09:35] Almut Brunswick: I think what could help to get a feeling for the proportaions are the given ceiling heights of the surrounding houses
[09:35] Mizou Vavoom: ok i am removing the build and we have the LUC meeting now
[09:35] Mizou Vavoom: yes Almut
[09:35] Sudane Erato: Mizou, I think the overall bulk as it is now is OK... it just needs more organic relating to the rest of the town
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Re: Transcript Guild meeting 7/3 New MoCa

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OK. My comments

1. Sudane has said she can lower the land without problem to the level of Talenstrasse at the front of the museum.

2. I would like to ask that you seethe current building at that level before you start changing the design entirely. The overhang is well back from the planned terrace edge.

3. It will be less bulky than the present MoCA. I'm hoping the color will also be lighter.
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I'm sorry that you made the event into a joke. From my perspective you were not trying to see the potential of the design. In the end it is Mizou's call of course, but as Chancellor and MoCA Curator this is my view. And as Curator I would like to think that my view counted for something. As Chancellor it should.
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Re: Transcript Guild meeting 7/3 New MoCa

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A new building needs to fit in the landscape, its shape, its fluididy, its colours, its reflections, its height and together with the purpose of the inner spaces, this is a total design which is an inner process for the creator.
Thanks for the photos Lilith, it really shows that the current proposed design is far too imposing and not right at all.
I don't feel Ok about it, so back to the drawing board with the surrounding houses and the landscape in mind as well as the inner spaces.
Three floors looks excessive and far too high to fit into the surrounding houses, that is at the current floor height 11 metres - 9 metres - 9 metres.
The yellow thing gets gobbled up and isn't on the top level anymore.

About adding stairs, it actually doesn't make any difference whether it needs stairs to go up or not.

I need to re-visualise it in my own mind, so please bear with me in that process.
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Re: Transcript Guild meeting 7/3 New MoCa

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May I suggest that you keep the new MoCa at a reasonable heigh - and I am sure Mizou knows what she is doing here - and if you need more room for exhibitions you can add as many floors as you like in the sky. Those sky-levels can be connected easily with the ground vie direct TP
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