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Transcript of the Fifth Meeting of the 34th RA held on Saturday, 20 March 2021 at 10:00AM.

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The RA meet at the Praetorium in Colonia Nova on Saturday, 20 March 2021. In attendance were RA members; Almut Brunswick, LRA Pro Tempore; Rosie Gray, RA LUC Rep; and Tor Karlsvalt, Archivist. Also present were: Chancellor Kyoko Furse-Barzane and Lilith Ivory, Professor of the Scientific Council. Almut called the meeting to order at 10:20AM due the absence of the LRAa and late arrival of Tor Karlsvalt. The RA amended its practices as follows, “The Forum and the Website/Portal are the official places to publish acts, respectively. The Archivist may add a notecard to the SC as a notification addition when a new law is passed or a law is amended.” (11:52:18). The Chancellor reported that tier collections continue to meet obligations. She also informed the RA that Brooke Brandenburg resigned as PIO. The chancellor reported that two citizens suggested that the MoCA be rebuilt in order to provide a better space for exhibits. The chancellor hoped to have a “Splash-in” party for merfolk. The party would be in Locus Amoenus harbor. Rosie Gray provided a summary of the LUC survey on EEP and other work of the LUC such had street naming.

Transcript

[10:20:25] Almut Brunswick: As the pro tempore of the RA Leader, I call this RA meeting to order (10:20 AM SLT)
[10:20:58] Almut Brunswick: Everybody in this hall has received and opened the Agenda of today's meeting?
[10:21:09] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): yes ma'am
[10:21:12] Second Life: RA Agenda and Notes owned by Rosie Gray gave you 'RA Agenda and Notes' ( Colonia Nova (26,165,40) ).
[10:21:16] Almut Brunswick: Lilith?
[10:21:29] Second Life: RA Agenda and Notes owned by Rosie Gray gave you 'RA Agenda and Notes' ( Colonia Nova (26,165,40) ).
[10:21:41] Lilith Ivory: moment, looking in my group notes
[10:21:53] Almut Brunswick: I sent it to you
[10:21:55] Tor Karlsvalt: i have it
[10:21:55] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I dropped it on you Lilith
[10:21:56] Lilith Ivory: thank you
[10:22:11] Rosie Gray: you might want to change the date at the top
[10:22:16] Rosie Gray: to today's date
[10:22:47] Almut Brunswick: Good, any concerns, wishes to changes etc. for this agenda (apart from the fact that I wrote the wrong date yesterday)?
[10:23:11] Rosie Gray: looks good to me
[10:23:13] Almut Brunswick: ok done
[10:23:21] Almut Brunswick: Tor?
[10:23:31] Rosie Gray: Motion to accept the Agenda as presented
[10:23:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I have it
[10:23:41] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[10:23:43] Almut Brunswick: Is the Agenda ok for you?
[10:23:54] Almut Brunswick: ok let#s vote then
[10:23:59] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:24:03] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:24:05] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:24:09] Almut Brunswick: thank you
[10:24:18] Almut Brunswick: 1.2 Review and approve the minutes: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9709
[10:24:33] Almut Brunswick: (Ty to Tor for writing them)
[10:24:43] Rosie Gray: Motion to accept the Minutes as presented
[10:24:46] Tor Karlsvalt: yw
[10:24:58] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[10:25:18] Almut Brunswick: Let's vote
[10:25:21] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:25:23] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:25:28] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:26:01] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Our dear Chancellor Kyoko has the stage for her Executive Report.
[10:26:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[10:26:29] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:26:31] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): clears her throat
[10:26:48] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Finances remain steady at a level that covers Linden tier. It is important to remember that income reflects tiers PAID in a month, not the actual tiers DUE in any month. Some people pay way ahead. Others have to be reminded regularly.
[10:27:12] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): In Executive staffing news, Brooke Brandenburg has resigned as T34 PIO. Her last event for us this term was the amazing and well-attended Djembe Live! I am very sorry to see her go and have thanked her for the fine work she has done as PIO.
[10:27:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Since our event schedule is now open, I am asking our citizens what kind of events they would like to see for April and May. Creative (and not necessarily expensive) ideas are most welcome. One idea floating around is a Splashin! for Merfolk and friends at LA Harbor. Maggi Morpath has agreed to entertain us, once we have it schedules. Sooooo... if you don't have a mer-outfit, it's time to go shopping ;)
[10:28:19] Tor Karlsvalt: sounds fun
[10:28:29] Almut Brunswick: (Tor has surely some fashionable scuba suits somewhere to lend)
[10:28:38] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:28:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): noooooooooooooooooo TAILS folks TAILS
[10:28:55] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): In terms of special projects, The Marketing Commission is treading water until the new LUC law is finally enacted, as we will use that as a starting point for that structure.
[10:29:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Two citizens have broached the idea of a new Museum of Contemporary Art Building that would reflect a more contemporary aesthetic and modern museum practices. The current building is a handsome one, But doesn't have the flexibility a good museum needs. I, or course, as current MoCA Curator and current chancellor am encouraging these thoughts. Of course appropriate process will be followedas to community discussion etc . . .
[10:29:40] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): /done
[10:29:47] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[10:29:54] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Kyoko. Rosie, please
[10:29:59] Rosie Gray: thank you
[10:30:16] Rosie Gray: just wondering what the LUC has to do with the marketing, Kyoko?
[10:31:02] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I am planning to propose a marketing commission.
[10:31:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): In terms of marketing content we will post soon
[10:32:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): But it seemed wise to at least start by looking at the structure of a current commission
[10:32:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *commission *sighs*
[10:32:41] Rosie Gray nods
[10:33:08] Almut Brunswick: When you have the LUC as possible NGO in mind, the LUC Act would need to be amended in this respect.
[10:33:47] Almut Brunswick: I don't think that we added the marketing task to the scope of activity fields so far.
[10:34:07] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): raises her hand
[10:34:09] Almut Brunswick: Furthermore, this would be a more administrative task.
[10:34:13] Rosie Gray: it would be a difference commission, Almut
[10:34:20] Almut Brunswick: Yes, Rosie.
[10:34:40] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Yes it would be a different commission to balance our focus on land and building
[10:34:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I guess an exec commission.
[10:34:49] Almut Brunswick: Right Tor
[10:34:52] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): '\marketing is an activity of the chancellor
[10:35:00] Almut Brunswick: absolutely
[10:35:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): exactly
[10:35:13] Tor Karlsvalt nods
[10:35:22] Almut Brunswick: but...the chief will need willing Indians to follow her
[10:35:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but those are details to be presented and discussed later
[10:35:36] Rosie Gray shudders
[10:35:37] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:36:35] Almut Brunswick: I think the LUC is a good address to "recruit" helpers, as well as the Guild (albeit there is a lot of personal overlapping anyway)
[10:36:53] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): That is further along than I am willing to entertain
[10:37:08] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I am well aware of the small group that carries the weight
[10:37:29] Almut Brunswick: and you just lost your PIO
[10:37:32] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): There are ways to broaden that and would be part of my intent.
[10:38:10] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Almut the PIO resigned for a combination of reasons.
[10:38:26] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand.
[10:38:30] Almut Brunswick: I meant only that you have one helping hand less
[10:38:38] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[10:38:46] Tor Karlsvalt: Just a suggestion
[10:38:51] Tor Karlsvalt: It might be all wet.
[10:39:15] Tor Karlsvalt: But during events, perhaps the guild or LUC or Exec could post a request for helpers.
[10:39:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Might be some people are just too timid to come forward and think these groups closed off anyway.
[10:39:48] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[10:39:50] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Events and marketing both bare part of the Chancellor's portfolio
[10:40:01] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[10:40:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I agree with your suggestion and am planning to pursue it.
[10:40:22] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Thank you Tor
[10:40:27] Almut Brunswick: I think it is similar to RL in respect on long-lasting obligations, to likely you can win them for limited tasks easier than for a whole term.
[10:40:44] Rosie Gray looks at her hand
[10:40:44] Tor Karlsvalt: true
[10:40:55] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): That is too early in the discussion Almut, although your comment is noted
[10:41:06] Almut Brunswick: Oh, Rosie, did I miss your hand. Please!
[10:41:30] Rosie Gray: can we move on? we have a lot more on the Agenda, and this is the Chancellor's preserve
[10:41:41] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): thank you Rosie
[10:41:46] Almut Brunswick: Oh yes
[10:42:03] Almut Brunswick: Rosie has the stage for the LUC Report
[10:42:09] Rosie Gray: thank you
[10:42:37] Rosie Gray: we had a meeting on March 13
[10:42:47] Rosie Gray: Minutes are here: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9711
[10:43:14] Rosie Gray: disappointingly, we didn't have either of the RA citizen appointment people there
[10:43:39] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
[10:43:52] Rosie Gray: 1. Signage for the road names at LA and CN: (Mizou)
Mizou apologized for not having done anything since last meeting, being very busy.
a. Signs/maps update (Mizou)
Maps on large signs have been updated thanks to Kyoko's help, but need a bit more work to make the text crisp.

b. Rename Marketplatz to Marktplatz (so that it is actual German and not Deutlish).
Rosie reports that the name on the parcel was changed quite some time ago and that there is 1 sign that needs updating still which she will do as it's her sign.
[10:44:00] Rosie Gray: yes, Lilith?
[10:44:23] Lilith Ivory: are you done? I wanted to comment no my absence :)
[10:44:34] Rosie Gray: not done, but you can
[10:45:13] Lilith Ivory: I just wanted to say that it is helpful to have a group note the day before for the LUC too because I simply forgot :( sorry for this
[10:45:15] Lilith Ivory: done
[10:45:29] Rosie Gray: I thought the same thing too, Lilith
[10:45:39] Rosie Gray: I will remind the chairperson for next time
[10:45:55] Rosie Gray: EEP experimental settings (Rosie, Sudane, Kyoko)
There was a brief discussion about setting preferences. Kyoko mentioned the difference in atmosphere between Alpine and mediterranean comments.
There was a suggestion that the guild give a class on how to use your own personal EEP settings, and Mizou offered to video it.

a. Survey update/results?
Rosie gave a brief recap of the survey results, with 26 responses, and promised to create images of the graphs with percentages to share with the group. Generally, people prefer sunny days for environment settings.
[10:45:58] Almut Brunswick: I think that is something to address in the LUC to your chair Mizou. The RA cannot help here
[10:46:12] Rosie Gray: LUC law update, see https://cdsdemocracy.org/faqs/cdsl-34-0 ... uary-2021/ (Tan)
It was noted that this is not LUC business.
Motion to drop items 3 and 3a from the Agenda. Rosie 1st, Mizou 2nd, all in favor, motion carried
a. Results from discussion in SC?

4. Friedsee lake and the updating of the prim water: (Delia)
a. Update on discussion on forum, see https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9687
Delia put out some Skye water and left the old water for the rest on Friedsee lake, as comparison.
There was discussion about possible settings for the Skye water, and general agreement that it was marginally better than the old water. Chancellor Kyoko requested that the lake be updated to the Skye water.
[10:46:25] Rosie Gray: Miscellaneous:
6. Connecting CDs to Linden waters update (Tor)
Tor presented a map he'd been working on, as a proposal to where the sims could be moved to. It would connect Locus Amoenus to sailable waters. There was discussion around the possibilities, about the stated costs from LL under their Community Land Partnership Program and the ridiculous costs they ask. It was agreed that a working group be formed to create a presentation to LL. Rudeen would have to be the official presenting it. Sudane, Tor, Kyoko, Delia offered to work on it.

7. Relay for Life: advert update (Mizou, Kyoko)
Mizou gave some details about her Relay for Life Home & Garden Expo 2021 space for her building business, and that CDS is represented through it. She has been interviewed by Desinging Worlds and mentioned CDS a few times.
[10:46:33] Rosie Gray: done
[10:47:34] Rosie Gray: I note that the Friedsee water wasn't updated, as of yesterday
[10:47:49] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Rosie. Regarding 6.: Does the presentation team need our formal RA vote to support them?
[10:48:13] Rosie Gray: yes, but I think it's quite a ways away from that
[10:48:30] Rosie Gray: the proposal needs to be worked up first
[10:48:42] Almut Brunswick: Ok, we all keep an eye on that. Any further questions to the LUC report?
[10:49:14] Almut Brunswick: This does not seem to be the case
[10:49:27] Tor Karlsvalt: no, none from me
[10:49:28] Almut Brunswick: So let's continue with Citizen's Concerns
[10:49:53] Almut Brunswick looks around
[10:50:02] Lilith Ivory is not concerned
[10:50:24] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, people of CDS (represented by Lilith today) :D
[10:50:25] Rosie Gray: :D
[10:50:29] Lilith Ivory: lol
[10:50:42] Almut Brunswick: RA member concerns?
[10:50:48] Almut Brunswick turns around
[10:50:55] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[10:50:58] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[10:51:00] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[10:51:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you.
[10:51:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I just wanted to call attention to the wreath in honor of Pip.
[10:51:37] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): :) and :(
[10:51:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I placed it where I remember he usually sat.
[10:51:50] Rosie Gray: that's really nice, Tor
[10:52:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I thought we could keep it until April 14th, one month after his memorial
[10:52:13] Almut Brunswick: I thought on the kitchen table where he usually used to dance with us :D
[10:52:24] Tor Karlsvalt: that is all.
[10:52:50] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, I appreciate this noble gesture and thought!
[10:53:16] Tor Karlsvalt: ty
[10:54:02] Almut Brunswick: Coming to Old Business now. There isn't any, we were industrious enough on the last meeting to work it off. Instead, we tabled all the New Business to today.
[10:56:13] Almut Brunswick: So let's talk about the (old) New Business today. Just as a note for the audience and the minutes: I posted the two SC recommendations regarding the LUC Act Forum thread. Since Tan is currently not often available to comment and to work on it, we just decided to publish it.
[10:57:07] Almut Brunswick: It will be treated on one of our next RA meetings as soon as well have found a proposal for appropriate changes.
[10:57:47] Almut Brunswick: Let's thus talk about 7.1.1 New routines in case of updates to the code on demand of the SC
[10:58:03] Rosie Gray: okay
[10:58:39] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[10:58:54] Almut Brunswick: The snippet taken from the transcript reveals what the SC has in mind as possible improvement for publishing new or changed acts.
[10:58:57] Almut Brunswick: Rosie, please.
[10:59:06] Rosie Gray: my thoughts about this are
[10:59:47] Rosie Gray: that we have Minutes published, that detail new laws, when they were passed, and they are published on the forum (the Minutes) and the laws are updated on the portal
[11:00:09] Rosie Gray: and, normally the SC Chairperson attends the RA meetings, or one of the SC members
[11:00:20] Rosie Gray: so now they are saying all of this isn't enough?
[11:00:49] Rosie Gray: I think that asking for MORE procedures is putting the work of the SC themselves onto the back of the RA Archivist who already does enough
[11:00:51] Rosie Gray: done
[11:01:05] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: You are now On the List to Speak. You Can Click the Device Again to Remove your Name.
[11:01:14] Almut Brunswick: I think the SC expects something like an "executive summary" which saves them to read all our chitchat in the minutes.
[11:01:25] Rosie Gray: there is no chitchat in minutes
[11:01:30] Almut Brunswick: hehe:D
[11:01:36] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[11:01:37] Rosie Gray: that's the very nature of Minutes
[11:01:42] Almut Brunswick: But such a demand seems to assume that
[11:02:06] Almut Brunswick: I have a proposal though which might work:
[11:02:09] Rosie Gray: having been the Archivist a number of times, I would find it a very annoying and unnecessary addition to the work
[11:02:22] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): raises herb hand
[11:02:25] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
[11:02:40] Almut Brunswick: Kyoko first, the Lilith
[11:02:41] Tor Karlsvalt raises his hand too
[11:02:49] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): lowers her hand in deference to Lilith
[11:02:57] Almut Brunswick: Lilith please
[11:03:28] Tor Karlsvalt all eyes focused on Lilith.
[11:03:35] Rosie Gray: :)
[11:03:47] Lilith Ivory: I can’t speak for Delia and Calli here of course but I think the intention also is that the SC gets amended laws more quickly and doesnot have to wait for minutes/transcript and portal postings
[11:03:52] Lilith Ivory: done
[11:04:10] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Tor?
[11:04:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[11:05:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I was wondering if it would help if I posted to the forum when law is posted to the portal. But I guess they want a formal NC
[11:05:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I really have no objection to RA sending a NC to SC.
[11:05:54] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[11:06:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): rtaioses hand'
[11:06:23] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *raises even
[11:06:27] Rosie Gray looks at the speaker stick
[11:06:31] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Rosie Gray
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[11:07:25] Rosie Gray wonders if Almut is writing a novel
[11:07:36] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[11:07:45] Tor Karlsvalt gets coffee
[11:07:48] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. My opinion is that a "formal NC" is a contradiction in itself, because it is not a public means of communication. Not to the extent of a Forum posting. I thus would agree to Tor#s proposal to post the fact that an act has been enacted in the Forum, likely in a special thread for that purpose. Done.
[11:08:10] Almut Brunswick: Kyoko, please
[11:08:36] Rosie Gray: Almut, look at the talking stick
[11:08:40] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[11:08:58] Almut Brunswick: oh ok, Rosie first then
[11:09:10] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I took my name off
[11:09:26] Rosie Gray: I would suggest that if the current Archivist wants to give a notecard to the SC as a courtesy, then that's okay
[11:09:36] Rosie Gray: but I wouldn't want to make it a formalized requirement
[11:09:49] Rosie Gray: because in my opinion, it's a matter of the SC paying attention and doing THEIR job
[11:09:59] Almut Brunswick: nods
[11:10:10] Rosie Gray: with published Minutes, there is no reason not to know there is a new law
[11:10:21] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: You are now On the List to Speak. You Can Click the Device Again to Remove your Name.
[11:10:33] Rosie Gray: and I will note, that the SC itself is terrible at communications with the rest of the community
[11:11:02] Almut Brunswick: (writing formal minutes is for cowards, Rosie^^)
[11:11:08] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[11:11:15] Rosie Gray: there's hardly ever a posting of SC meeting until so close to the meeting date that it is only the day before
[11:11:16] Almut Brunswick: Lilith please
[11:11:25] Rosie Gray: but I digress
[11:11:31] Rosie Gray: apologies
[11:11:35] Rosie Gray: done
[11:12:02] Rosie Gray wonders where the Minutes of the SC are kept
[11:12:18] Lilith Ivory: first of all I want to thank Tor for being willing to send a formal NC to the dean :)
[11:12:59] Lilith Ivory: and also for me it makes sense to inform the SC about new or amended laws before it gets posted at the portal
[11:13:09] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Lilith Ivory
[11:13:16] Lilith Ivory: as if the SC decides to flag the Archivist has double work with that
[11:13:39] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ?
[11:13:46] Almut Brunswick: the RA?
[11:13:49] Almut Brunswick: not the SC
[11:13:53] Lilith Ivory: also I want to remind you all that in CDS we always use notecards as formal instrument
[11:14:13] Lilith Ivory: we have this practice as you can see in the transaction history a notecard was sent
[11:14:29] Lilith Ivory: don’t kill the messenger Almut :D
[11:14:32] Lilith Ivory: done
[11:14:41] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[11:14:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[11:15:22] Tor Karlsvalt: First I would just point out that it has been my practice to put a summary at the beginning of the transcripts.
[11:15:31] Tor Karlsvalt: I will continue to do that.
[11:15:53] Tor Karlsvalt: New laws are routinely highlighted in the summary .
[11:16:15] Tor Karlsvalt: I find that is better than the minutes, but should not replace the minutes.
[11:17:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I get Lilith’s point about double work for the Archivist and perhaps delaying posting of new laws to the portal.
[11:17:35] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Tor Karlsvalt
[11:17:44] Almut Brunswick: Rosie is next
[11:17:53] Tor Karlsvalt: However, alas, I have found that sometimes posting the law uncovers spelling mistakes or even more serious problems regarding numbering of laws.
[11:18:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it is beneficial to post the law.
[11:18:33] Tor Karlsvalt: However, perhaps I should include in the title that is is pending review by the SC.
[11:18:36] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[11:18:41] Almut Brunswick: (sorry Tor, I thought you were done.)
[11:18:46] Almut Brunswick: Now Rosie :D
[11:18:50] Tor Karlsvalt: i just talk too much
[11:18:51] Rosie Gray: thanks
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[11:19:08] Rosie Gray: I wanted to point out that a law is not a law until it is posted to the portal
[11:19:17] Rosie Gray: and that sometimes this is quite important
[11:19:42] Rosie Gray: so if the RA has to wait for the SC to review a law and 'okay' it before it is posted, then that could delay a law for a month
[11:19:50] Rosie Gray: that is not very efficient
[11:20:12] Rosie Gray: and, most of the time, the SC won't be finding anything wrong with a law
[11:20:45] Rosie Gray: and, that if the law isn't posted right away, then the Archivist has to try and remember what hasn't been done and make sure it is done at some future time
[11:20:56] Rosie Gray: done
[11:21:28] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Rosie. I'm supporting you completely in what you say.
[11:21:32] Tor Karlsvalt notes that he still looking for a pair of 2009 socks.
[11:21:47] Rosie Gray: hehe
[11:22:20] Almut Brunswick: The public and given medium to make the creation, discussion, decision and maybe also objection of a law is the Forum.
[11:22:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): points to the speaker indicator
[11:23:30] Tor Karlsvalt thinks the hover text is hard to read
[11:23:34] Almut Brunswick: That should be common sense. No "formal NCs", no extra IMs or whatever. It is not expected too much that all citizens interested - first and foremost the SC members - pay attention to what is going on in the Forum.
[11:23:44] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Almut Brunswick
[11:23:47] Almut Brunswick: Done
[11:23:50] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Samara Barzane
[11:23:56] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Thanks
[11:24:06] Almut Brunswick: Kyoko please
[11:24:28] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Speaking as the current office holder of one of our three branches of our government
[11:25:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I would like to remind you that, for example, in the US system, the Judicial branch weighs in AFTER the law has passed. Publishing on the portal and the forum is equivalent to posting the is done in that system.
[11:26:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Anything more than that is a courtesy, not a requirement
[11:26:23] Almut Brunswick: nods
[11:27:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Now we are not modeled on the US system, but in this case that seems the correct order.
[11:28:50] Almut Brunswick: I propose to vote for the practice proposed by Tor that the official medium to publish new or changed votes and the enacting by the RA shall be the Forum and that the Archivist may inform the SC Dean by a NC as a matter of courtesy.
[11:29:56] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): also the portal?
[11:30:04] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): that is when it becomes legal
[11:30:12] Lilith Ivory: I was just going to ask what that means :)
[11:30:38] Almut Brunswick: That in any case, yes. The portal bears the Code of Laws as soon as a Law became legal
[11:30:48] Rosie Gray: yes, must be posted onto the website/portal to become law
[11:30:55] Almut Brunswick: Right
[11:30:57] Lilith Ivory agrees
[11:31:07] Lilith Ivory: I just got confused about the part with the forum :)
[11:31:08] Almut Brunswick: I think that was not in question anyway
[11:32:50] Almut Brunswick: Rosie or Tor, you may rephrase my proposal to avoid that confusion. But I want to get that discussion finished.
[11:33:06] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[11:33:11] Almut Brunswick: Rosie please
[11:33:16] Rosie Gray: how about...
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[11:34:17] Rosie Gray: Propose that the Archivist may add a notecard to the SC as a notification addition when a new law is passed or a law is amended.
[11:35:39] Tor Karlsvalt nods
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[11:36:42] Almut Brunswick: But just as an addition to the common practice. The only official way should remain the communication in the Forum to make the procedure transparent for the public.
[11:37:01] Rosie Gray: not just the forum
[11:37:08] Rosie Gray: the Forum and the Website/Portal
[11:37:13] Almut Brunswick: and finally the Code of Laws
[11:37:16] Almut Brunswick: Yes
[11:37:38] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[11:37:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): to the dean of SC?
[11:37:48] Almut Brunswick: Lilith please, then Tor
[11:38:19] Almut Brunswick: (that stick confuses me :D)
[11:38:37] Almut Brunswick: Tor please, then Lilith
[11:38:40] Lilith Ivory: I wanted to remind the RA that only a very small percentage of our citizenship reads the forum or is registered so I am concerned about using the forum as only official medium
[11:38:41] Lilith Ivory: done
[11:38:43] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[11:38:58] Almut Brunswick: Now Tor
[11:39:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree with Rosies language. But something Rosie said might open a bigger problem.
[11:39:53] Tor Karlsvalt: I might need to review the constitution
[11:39:55] Tor Karlsvalt: But
[11:39:58] Rosie Gray ears perk up
[11:40:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Indeed there should be a sunset as to when the SC can review a law.
[11:41:03] Tor Karlsvalt: if they do not meet for months. we might be so far along in our work on the LUC for instance that it could all be undone when the SC finally makes a decision.
[11:41:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I note too that in the US and I think elsewhere
[11:41:37] Almut Brunswick: nods
[11:41:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Laws are never reviewed by a court until someone with standing raises an objection.
[11:42:15] Rosie Gray nods
[11:42:24] Tor Karlsvalt: In effect we have a higher chamber of the RA like a Hose of Lords.
[11:42:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think that was the intention
[11:42:45] Tor Karlsvalt: or purpose of the SC
[11:42:46] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[11:43:10] Almut Brunswick: thank you, Tor.
[11:43:52] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) bows humbly
[11:43:54] Almut Brunswick: Lilith please, but then I want to close the debate because we are running in overtime already
[11:43:58] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): RL is making noises
[11:44:06] Almut Brunswick: Nods, same here
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[11:44:10] Lilith Ivory: oh sorry I forgot taking me off I think
[11:44:10] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): my excuses
[11:44:10] Rosie Gray: bye Kyoko
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[11:44:18] Tor Karlsvalt: me too!
[11:44:19] Almut Brunswick: Bye Kyoko
[11:44:27] Lilith Ivory: bye Kyoko
[11:45:13] Rosie Gray notes the time
[11:45:55] Tor Karlsvalt yikes
[11:46:29] Almut Brunswick: I propose to end this discussion by a vote now. Let me scroll back to Rosie's proposal
[11:47:55] Record Book of the CDS: This book holds the record of the land and citizens of the CDS.
[11:47:56] Tor Karlsvalt: i am a bit confused.
[11:48:17] Tor Karlsvalt: /raises hand
[11:48:20] Almut Brunswick: The Forum and the Website/Portal are the official places to discuss and to publish acts, respectively. The Archivist may add a notecard to the SC as a notification addition when a new law is passed or a law is amended.
[11:48:32] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[11:49:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I think this started to be a suggested amendment? or a new law? or just a change to the RA procedure?
[11:49:25] Almut Brunswick: Just a practice, Tor, not a law
[11:49:30] Rosie Gray nods
[11:49:44] Tor Karlsvalt: So we are talking about the RA procedures.
[11:49:58] Almut Brunswick: But the SC asked us to decide for a practice, and that is our reply
[11:50:00] Almut Brunswick: yes
[11:50:11] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[11:50:15] Almut Brunswick: Rosie
[11:50:57] Rosie Gray: I agree with what you said, but it needs to include 'RA meetings' as well, as a place to officially discuss... either that or just remove 'discuss'
[11:51:20] Almut Brunswick: or, then please rephrase it accordingly
[11:51:30] Tor Karlsvalt: It is late.
[11:51:36] Tor Karlsvalt: we shouldn't rush
[11:52:06] Almut Brunswick: yes, we will table the rest, but let's get finished at least that today
[11:52:18] Rosie Gray: The Forum and the Website/Portal are the official places to publish acts, respectively. The Archivist may add a notecard to the SC as a notification addition when a new law is passed or a law is amended.
[11:52:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion we table this to the forum and hash out language that we will be happy with.
[11:52:44] Almut Brunswick: No, I second Rosie's proposal
[11:53:09] Almut Brunswick: and I propose to vote for it
[11:53:27] Tor Karlsvalt: I withdraw my motion
[11:53:30] Tor Karlsvalt: motion*
[11:53:33] Almut Brunswick: thank you
[11:53:52] Almut Brunswick: So let's hear your votes please
[11:53:56] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:53:57] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:54:00] Almut Brunswick: aye
[11:54:03] Almut Brunswick: Thank you
[11:54:18] Almut Brunswick: 7.1.2 Further legislation needed regarding By-Elections
[11:54:35] Almut Brunswick: This topic is too complex to be discussed here and now.
[11:54:37] Rosie Gray: kMotion to table remaining items until next meeting
[11:54:46] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[11:54:57] Almut Brunswick: I suggest to table this to the forum.
[11:55:11] Tor Karlsvalt: second that too!
[11:55:19] Almut Brunswick: Yes, let's vote for tabling 7.1.2 and 7.2
[11:55:21] Rosie Gray: I withdraw my Motion
[11:55:28] Tor Karlsvalt: ayw
[11:55:29] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:55:32] Almut Brunswick: aye
[11:55:42] Rosie Gray: aye for Almut's wording
[11:55:50] Almut Brunswick: smiles
[11:56:06] Almut Brunswick: Any announcements?
[11:56:15] Rosie Gray: no
[11:56:31] Almut Brunswick: not from me either, Tor?
[11:56:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Just go see Mizou's expo build if you haven't
[11:56:56] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:56:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it runs though tomorrow.
[11:57:09] Almut Brunswick: Next RA meeting: Proposal: Saturday, March 27, 2021, 10:15 AM SLT (when this is more convenient for Tor)
[11:57:22] Rosie Gray: I cannot do two meetings in one day
[11:57:31] Rosie Gray: there is already an LUC meeting at noon SLT on the 27th
[11:57:39] Tor Karlsvalt: should be ok. I think we are running out of OT hours.
[11:57:40] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[11:58:02] Rosie Gray: how about March 3rd instead?
[11:58:10] Rosie Gray: April!
[11:58:12] Almut Brunswick: ok, April 3rd
[11:58:12] Rosie Gray: lol
[11:58:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Sounds good.
[11:58:32] Almut Brunswick: I infected you with my habit to write wrong dates
[11:58:40] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[11:58:40] Almut Brunswick: April 3rd, 10:15
[11:58:45] Rosie Gray: sadly I've always had that habit too
[11:58:57] Almut Brunswick: ok for everybody?
[11:59:02] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[11:59:05] Almut Brunswick: Works fine for me
[11:59:08] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:59:17] Tor Karlsvalt: by acclamation
[11:59:27] Rosie Gray: grat
[11:59:30] Rosie Gray: great*
[11:59:43] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, then I declare this RA meeting adjourned. Thank you everyone!
[11:59:49] Rosie Gray: thank you Almut
[11:59:51] Rosie Gray: good job
[11:59:53] Tor Karlsvalt: yay

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