Transcript of the 3rd Meeting of the 34th RA - 13 February 2021

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Transcript of the 3rd Meeting of the 34th RA - 13 February 2021

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The RA met at the Pretorium in Colonia Nova on Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 10:15 AM. In attendance were RA members; Tanoujin Milestone, LRA; Almut Brunswick, LRA Pro Tempore; Rosie Gray, RA Rep to the LUC; and Tor Karlsvalt, RA Archivist. Also in attendance was Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane), Chancellor of the CDS. No citizens attended. The Chancellor reported on upcoming events and her efforts regarding marketing the CDS. The RA passed a new law, The Transparent Region Development Act (New Law), revised the Land-Use Commission Act (CDSL 34-01), and revised NL 5-7 Civil Service Act.

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[10:15:28] Tanoujin Milestone: I think we can start, thanks for your patience
[10:15:28] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): there is wine next to the agenda
[10:15:32] Tor Karlsvalt: and it is cold here
[10:15:43] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): what Tor said
[10:15:43] Tanoujin Milestone: I call the meeting to order ;(
[10:15:47] Tanoujin Milestone: :))
[10:15:49] Tor Karlsvalt: yay
[10:16:12] Tanoujin Milestone: review and approve the agenda
[10:16:19] Almut Brunswick: second
[10:16:20] Tanoujin Milestone: let me fetch the link....
[10:16:29] Tanoujin Milestone: or we go without it today
[10:16:38] Tanoujin Milestone: can we vote?
[10:16:43] Almut Brunswick: I have it open.
[10:16:49] Almut Brunswick: Yes
[10:16:52] Tanoujin Milestone: anything to add?
[10:16:57] Tanoujin Milestone: so vote please
[10:17:02] Almut Brunswick: Not from my side
[10:17:04] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[10:17:05] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:17:09] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[10:17:12] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:17:33] Tanoujin Milestone: Review and approve the minutes from 30-January
[10:17:43] Tanoujin Milestone: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9686
[10:17:50] Tanoujin Milestone: i have read them, they are nice
[10:18:05] Tanoujin Milestone: does anyone need more time?
[10:18:24] Tanoujin Milestone: I move to approve them
[10:18:26] Rosie Gray: not me
[10:18:26] Tor Karlsvalt whew.
[10:18:34] Tanoujin Milestone: nice minutes, Tor
[10:18:35] Rosie Gray: :)
[10:18:40] Rosie Gray: yes, thanks Tor
[10:18:43] Tanoujin Milestone: can I have a second?
[10:18:46] Almut Brunswick: One comment before proposing the acceptance: I personally regard the simple statement "elected by majority vote" as insufficient
[10:19:04] Almut Brunswick: I would prefer to read the exact vote result
[10:19:22] Tanoujin Milestone: I see your point
[10:19:40] Almut Brunswick: so it must be 3 aye, 1 nay, 0 abstain
[10:19:53] Almut Brunswick: the rest is ok
[10:19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: It is in the transcript and I noticed that is not what the prior Archivist did.
[10:20:08] Almut Brunswick: then we should change that
[10:20:14] Almut Brunswick: for the future
[10:20:41] Rosie Gray: it does make sense when there is a vote against but the motion passes, I agree
[10:20:48] Tanoujin Milestone: hm, why not... do you want it personalized as well?
[10:20:58] Tor Karlsvalt: I can add it.
[10:21:01] Rosie Gray: but you can actually read the transcript too
[10:21:10] Almut Brunswick: when there is not a request for a personalized election, no
[10:21:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I would like to make a procedural suggestion
[10:21:27] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Tor
[10:22:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Many things would not need a vote if, the LRA would just say, Unless there is objection the minutes or the adjournment etc is said.
[10:22:31] Tor Karlsvalt: I notice this is a practice followed in Congress and probably other bodies.
[10:22:41] Tanoujin Milestone: we come to procedures today or next time, Tor
[10:22:44] Rosie Gray: I've never been in a meeting done that way
[10:22:46] Tanoujin Milestone: *come
[10:23:01] Tanoujin Milestone: so we can discuss that under that item
[10:23:04] Tor Karlsvalt: Well done all the time in the US congress.
[10:23:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Any member can call the roll if they want to
[10:23:24] Almut Brunswick: Tor, Tan and I are Germans and Rosie is Canadian. We don't know that practices.
[10:23:34] Tanoujin Milestone: until we change the procedures we have to stick to them
[10:23:45] Almut Brunswick: Agreed
[10:23:56] Rosie Gray: yes, agree also
[10:24:06] Tanoujin Milestone: as I said, we have an agenda item for that
[10:24:47] Tanoujin Milestone: i need a second for the motion on the floor: to approve the minutes
[10:24:59] Rosie Gray: second
[10:25:00] Tanoujin Milestone: ,9
[10:25:06] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Rosie
[10:25:13] Almut Brunswick: So, sorry for delaying the approval of the minutes, but I would prefer to see exact votes in future minutes. And I vote with Aye
[10:25:54] Tanoujin Milestone: we keep in mind we would like to have the votes differenciated..... please vote now on approving the 30-Jan minutes
[10:26:01] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:26:04] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:26:06] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:26:15] Tanoujin Milestone: aye, thank you, motion carries
[10:26:26] Tanoujin Milestone: nothing to apologize btw, Almut
[10:26:52] Tanoujin Milestone: well, we have the minutes of the first meeting too
[10:27:09] Tanoujin Milestone: they got ready some minutes ago
[10:27:11] Tanoujin Milestone: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9690
[10:27:32] Tanoujin Milestone: I motion for approving them as well
[10:27:32] Rosie Gray: oh good, thanks Tor
[10:27:56] Almut Brunswick: Second
[10:28:04] Tanoujin Milestone: please take your time to have look at them
[10:28:10] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Almut
[10:28:19] Tanoujin Milestone: are you ready to vote
[10:28:22] Tanoujin Milestone: ?
[10:28:25] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:28:33] Tanoujin Milestone: so, please vote
[10:28:36] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:28:37] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:28:41] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:28:42] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[10:28:48] Tanoujin Milestone: motion carries
[10:28:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) giggles
[10:29:08] Tanoujin Milestone: Dear Kyoko, your turn to give us an executive report :D
[10:29:19] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Guess so
[10:29:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): We have 3 new citizens., one who found us on marketplace.
[10:29:57] Rosie Gray: yay!
[10:30:02] Tor Karlsvalt: yay!
[10:30:09] Tor Karlsvalt: whoot whoot
[10:30:19] Rosie Gray: do you happen to know what she looked at on MP, Kyoko?
[10:30:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): New information sign for around CDS and elsewhere.And a big thank you to Almut for her excellent introduction for new citizens.
[10:30:45] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): No Rosie, but we can ask
[10:30:51] Almut Brunswick: Thank you!
[10:31:04] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Please click for the notecard
[10:31:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): advice from Rosie was taken :)
[10:31:18] Second Life: We <3 CDS owned by Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) gave you 'About CDS 2021' ( Colonia Nova (27,164,40) ).
[10:31:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): This is the kind of thing we need
[10:31:53] Rosie Gray: very nice, Kyoko!
[10:32:05] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Please take a copy
[10:32:07] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, that is good
[10:32:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it should be open sharing
[10:32:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Likes it a lot
[10:32:38] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): thanks
[10:33:06] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I figure if we have shops on non cds sims we can use it there
[10:33:07] Tanoujin Milestone: I can't copy it, devil knows why
[10:33:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): damn
[10:33:26] Rosie Gray: I could
[10:33:27] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): let me drop on on y'all
[10:33:29] Rosie Gray: just gave Tan a copy
[10:33:38] Tanoujin Milestone: Rosie did, thank you
[10:33:39] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I set it to LV
[10:33:41] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): to share
[10:33:50] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Rosie I think you have my perms LOL
[10:33:56] Almut Brunswick: I assume we will come to this point "Welcome Committee" a bit later today
[10:33:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I can take but am told the perms will change.
[10:34:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): don't take it LOL
[10:34:30] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Almut I'm mentioning that next
[10:34:33] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't get an option to take a copy.
[10:34:44] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but let me pass it out to you
[10:35:03] Second Life: Samara Barzane gave you We <3 CDS.
[10:35:08] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[10:35:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): The welcome committee is under the chancellor, and this chancellor will be focusing on our marketing proposal (still in the works) this term
[10:35:47] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): That is a nice way of saying that committee is not on my agenda this term.
[10:35:59] Almut Brunswick: "We <3 CDS" does hopefully not mean: "We are less than three active citizens in the CDS" *g*
[10:36:22] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:36:28] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): No we have a few more than that
[10:36:37] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ok next
[10:36:38] Rosie Gray: lol, almut
[10:36:53] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): BE MINE, VALENTINE is at 12 noon today. How about a short meeting so we can all get into our ball gowns and tuxes. I took a sneak peek. The venue is wonderful, thanks to Brooke Brandenburg?
[10:37:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Last but not least
[10:37:20] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, I will try to close early
[10:37:25] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Don't forget to hang your Chinese New Year's Lanterns.
[10:37:42] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yeah! Lunar New Year!
[10:37:51] Rosie Gray: :)
[10:37:54] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Yep
[10:38:08] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): we'll have a Lantern Festival later this month
[10:38:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): DJ Qt spinning
[10:38:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Cool.
[10:38:33] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): /done
[10:38:45] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Kyoko
[10:38:54] Tanoujin Milestone: questions to the Chancellor?
[10:39:07] Almut Brunswick: Yes!
[10:39:13] Almut Brunswick: [10:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): That is a nice way of saying that committee is not on my agenda this term.
[10:39:19] Tanoujin Milestone: Please, Almut, go ahead
[10:39:26] Tanoujin Milestone: :)
[10:39:30] Almut Brunswick: Rosie made me the one (and probably only) member of this committee last term
[10:39:44] Rosie Gray: no you're not the only member :)
[10:39:46] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Almut we can talk
[10:39:51] Almut Brunswick: This is the reason (one of them) why I started writing this Guide
[10:39:53] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but it is not my focus
[10:40:05] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *focus
[10:40:12] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): let's talk later okay?
[10:40:16] Almut Brunswick: Ok
[10:40:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): thank you
[10:40:50] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, we let that Welcome topic in a state of hovering
[10:40:59] Tanoujin Milestone: more questions?
[10:41:25] Tanoujin Milestone: hearing none I go forward to the LUC report
[10:41:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) bows humbly
[10:41:46] Tanoujin Milestone: I think I have seen a first meeting scheduled already, Rosie?
[10:41:54] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:41:54] Tanoujin Milestone: Thank you Kyoko
[10:42:18] Tanoujin Milestone: i believe we can leave it at that
[10:42:19] Rosie Gray: the first meeting is scheduled for next weekend, Saturday Feb 20 at noon SLT
[10:42:42] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, good
[10:42:49] Rosie Gray: so the officers of the committee will be decided then
[10:42:54] Rosie Gray: nothing else to report ㋡
[10:43:00] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Rosie
[10:43:03] Tanoujin Milestone: 4. Citizen concerns
[10:43:13] Tanoujin Milestone turns to the masses
[10:43:20] Tanoujin Milestone: hum
[10:43:20] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:43:22] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): :(
[10:43:35] Tanoujin Milestone: 5. RA member concerns
[10:43:35] aQ brunello reserve wine whispers: Enjoy your wine Samara Barzane.
[10:43:36] Almut Brunswick: none of the <3 to be seen...
[10:43:44] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
[10:44:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Well they are home dressing for the party.
[10:44:03] Rosie Gray sighs
[10:44:12] Rosie Gray: ha, yes
[10:44:16] Almut Brunswick: Tor, the optimist
[10:44:26] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[10:44:30] Tanoujin Milestone: we agreed to let the Welcome Committee topic go for the moment to foster development through inofficial talk ;)
[10:44:51] Tanoujin Milestone: anything else you want to mention today?
[10:44:54] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Thank you Herr Tan
[10:45:17] Almut Brunswick: Not from my side
[10:45:17] Tanoujin Milestone: ;)
[10:45:32] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I just want time to change for the party LOL
[10:45:40] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, we come to old business
[10:45:52] Tanoujin Milestone: 6.1 Land-Use Commission Act (Revision of CDSL 34-01)
[10:46:01] Tanoujin Milestone: are you all up to date?
[10:46:07] Tanoujin Milestone: last version
[10:46:07] Almut Brunswick: Yes!
[10:46:17] Tanoujin Milestone: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?p=50122#p50122
[10:46:33] Almut Brunswick: Basically, it is the same version like 2 weeks ago, but with the deleted exclusion passus
[10:46:50] Tanoujin Milestone: and some typos and hyphens less
[10:46:56] Tanoujin Milestone: *hyphens
[10:47:04] Almut Brunswick: I haven't seen any yet
[10:47:24] Almut Brunswick: (and I read it very often)
[10:47:48] Tanoujin Milestone: does anyone want to discuss the details?
[10:48:24] Tor Karlsvalt: no, been reading it.
[10:48:28] Almut Brunswick looks around
[10:49:02] Tanoujin Milestone: ok, I move to enact CDSL 34-01 - maybe under a new number?
[10:49:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I second
[10:50:04] Tanoujin Milestone: before we vote - do we want to change the number?
[10:50:14] Almut Brunswick: I would keep the old number and treat it as an update
[10:50:35] Tanoujin Milestone: I guess it is best to keep it, yes, and mention the date of the update
[10:50:43] Rosie Gray: yes, agreed
[10:50:44] Tanoujin Milestone: so, vote please
[10:50:55] Almut Brunswick: Aye!
[10:51:10] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[10:51:18] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:51:21] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:51:33] Tanoujin Milestone: Thank goddess, motion carries
[10:51:36] Almut Brunswick: YAY!
[10:51:42] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:51:53] Almut Brunswick: It's been a long way
[10:52:05] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, but its a good result imo
[10:52:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): barely LOL
[10:52:18] Tanoujin Milestone: 6.2 Transparent Region Development Act (New Law)
[10:52:33] Tanoujin Milestone: Discussion: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9647
Final Draft: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?p=49955#p49955
[10:52:49] Tanoujin Milestone: I admit I have to take another look myself
[10:53:15] Tanoujin Milestone: ahhh, yes, this one
[10:53:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): :)
[10:53:32] Tanoujin Milestone: I move to enact this new law
[10:53:38] Rosie Gray: yes I have to run over it again too, quickly
[10:53:51] Tor Karlsvalt: me likewise.
[10:53:56] Almut Brunswick: here is a minor detail I propose to change: 1) The Chancellor needs to inform the LUC OR the RA of the updates and changes -> 1) The Chancellor needs to inform the LUC AND the RA of the updates and changes
[10:54:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I'd say and.or
[10:54:26] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): and/or
[10:54:32] Tor Karlsvalt: me too
[10:54:58] Tor Karlsvalt: As a former Chancellor I am concerned about that
[10:55:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): some updated remember that not all updates go through LUC
[10:55:29] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): 'The chancellor retains the power to make small changes on her own within the constitutional limits
[10:55:39] Rosie Gray: yes I agree with that too
[10:56:02] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *his/her
[10:56:10] Tanoujin Milestone: their ;)
[10:56:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) bows to Tor
[10:56:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, but that clause will cause confusion, Moving a rock might need a report filed.
[10:56:15] Rosie Gray: with changing to LUC and RA
[10:56:19] Rosie Gray: if it must be there
[10:56:28] Rosie Gray: I agree Tor
[10:56:35] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): nope
[10:56:36] Almut Brunswick: so it remains your choice? Well, that leaves a lot of interpretation. It could be that the LUC will be informed but not the RA as the constitutional body.
[10:56:37] Rosie Gray: I don't think small things like that need any reporting
[10:56:39] Tanoujin Milestone: no, we had that discussion already
[10:56:51] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): the law takes into account minor and major changes
[10:56:54] Tanoujin Milestone: may I explain?
[10:56:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Rosie
[10:57:17] Tor Karlsvalt: This will be a breaker for me
[10:57:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Just forewarning
[10:57:38] Tanoujin Milestone: would you lend me an ear?
[10:57:47] Almut Brunswick: sure, go ahead
[10:57:49] Rosie Gray: please, Tan
[10:58:15] Tanoujin Milestone: this sentence in question is meant to make sure the Chancellor mentions their changes on a transcripted meeting
[10:58:32] Tanoujin Milestone: in a simple, single remark
[10:58:38] Tanoujin Milestone: if they want
[10:58:44] Tanoujin Milestone: so it is documented
[10:58:52] Tanoujin Milestone: and that is the whole purpose
[10:59:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Need is a command.
[10:59:09] Rosie Gray: but that is an interpretation, Tan
[10:59:23] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): should?
[10:59:24] Tor Karlsvalt: I will be voting nay
[10:59:24] Tanoujin Milestone: that is the intention
[11:00:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Should is too strong a word for me too
[11:00:14] Tanoujin Milestone: okay - seems we are not through
[11:00:27] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) raises her hand?
[11:00:34] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *raises
[11:00:40] Tanoujin Milestone: is there a suggestion we can go with, yes Kyoko?
[11:01:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I suggest that the RA consider postponing this vote until next meeting and discuss it oklon the forum
[11:01:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): *on
[11:01:30] Rosie Gray: I would remove that entire sentence.
[11:01:50] Tor Karlsvalt nods
[11:02:05] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I would too
[11:02:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but I'm not RA
[11:02:19] Almut Brunswick: What about this: "The Chancellor IS OBLIGED TO INFORM THE CDS PUBLIC of the updates and changes that they or their directed Executive team have done IN A SUFFICIENT WAY (FOR INSTANCE IN THE FORUM)."
[11:02:28] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): that is worse
[11:02:36] Tanoujin Milestone: Just to make that clear: the Chancellor can make minor changes to the landscape and hope anyone will notice, but it is up to them if they mention it or not?
[11:02:40] Rosie Gray: ugh, no Almut
[11:03:07] Rosie Gray: Tan, the Chancellor will mention things if they want notice, anyway
[11:03:26] Tor Karlsvalt: This sort of things discourages participation as a Chancellor or EM.
[11:03:28] Rosie Gray: but I think that it is adding too much reporting on very minor things
[11:03:48] Almut Brunswick: Hmm, I think we should strike that sentence then.
[11:03:50] Tanoujin Milestone: I am not in the position to push my own agenda through, I yield to your decision
[11:04:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Thank you Almut
[11:04:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion that the matter be tabled for further consideration in view of the comments today.
[11:04:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Suggestion: lets vote on striking this sentence aye or nay
[11:04:26] Rosie Gray: thank you
[11:04:42] Rosie Gray: I agree with Tan's suggestion
[11:04:44] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor, we talked about that for months
[11:04:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I withdraw my motion.
[11:04:59] Rosie Gray: let's just remove the sentence and then vote on the rest of it
[11:05:03] Tanoujin Milestone: we will just have a new round and no new arguments
[11:05:33] Almut Brunswick: Yes, under the given constitutional conditions, let's delete the sentence and then vote.
[11:05:45] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:05:52] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Tor, and yes, okay, Rosie
[11:06:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Do we have a second for Tans motion
[11:06:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ?
[11:06:16] Almut Brunswick: It is not a big thing and will not falsify the rest of the act
[11:06:24] Almut Brunswick: second
[11:06:59] Tanoujin Milestone: lolol, I am lost, what did I move for?
[11:07:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): to vote to drop that sentence
[11:07:21] Rosie Gray: I don't think there was a formal motion
[11:07:23] Tor Karlsvalt: You moved to strike that sentence.
[11:07:26] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:07:28] Almut Brunswick: sighs, you are right. I propose to strike the sentence and then to vote
[11:07:38] Tor Karlsvalt: well I suppose, we have two votes
[11:07:42] Tor Karlsvalt: one to amend
[11:07:54] Tor Karlsvalt: and then the next to vote on the law
[11:08:01] Almut Brunswick: yes
[11:08:06] Rosie Gray: Motion to remove the sentence "The Chancellor needs to inform the LUC or the RA of the updates and changes that they or their directed Executive team have done.' from the draft and accept the rest of it.
[11:08:08] Tanoujin Milestone: Motion for amending the proposal by striking the sentence "The Chancellor needs to inform the LUC or the RA of the updates and changes that they or their directed Executive team have done." from paragraph 1
[11:08:14] Almut Brunswick: Second
[11:08:20] Tanoujin Milestone: cool I second Rosie's
[11:08:28] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, and we vote
[11:08:32] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[11:08:36] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:08:37] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:08:40] Tanoujin Milestone: nay
[11:08:47] Tanoujin Milestone: motion carries
[11:09:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): thank you
[11:09:20] Almut Brunswick: Motion to vote for the now changed draft
[11:09:22] Tanoujin Milestone: motion for approval of Transparent Region Development Act as CDSL 35-1
[11:09:31] Almut Brunswick: Second
[11:09:35] Tanoujin Milestone: ty
[11:09:38] Tanoujin Milestone: and vote
[11:09:41] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[11:09:44] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[11:09:47] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:09:49] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:09:56] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you very much
[11:10:02] Tanoujin Milestone: motion carries
[11:10:07] Almut Brunswick: YAY!
[11:10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: whoo whoo
[11:10:14] Rosie Gray: thank you Tan, thanks Tor and Almut
[11:10:14] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): WooT
[11:10:22] Tanoujin Milestone: :)
[11:10:39] Almut Brunswick: It is important to have it in power in respect on the LUC Act, too. Hence I was pushing a bit, too
[11:10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: and now: 6.3 NL 5-7 Civil Service Act (Revision)
https://cdsdemocracy.org/code-of-laws-2/
Paragraph D: strike, since it is covered by the new Transparent Region Development Act
[11:11:04] Almut Brunswick: Now the third one...we are about to break the record!
[11:11:20] Tanoujin Milestone: this is good work, people, I am proud of us
[11:11:39] Rosie Gray: :D
[11:11:52] Rosie Gray: https://cdsdemocracy.org/faqs/nl-5-7-civil-service-act/
[11:11:57] Rosie Gray: direct link to the act
[11:12:11] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Rosie
[11:12:43] Tanoujin Milestone: I move we strike paragraph D from NL 5-7
[11:12:50] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[11:12:53] Tanoujin Milestone: Quotation: "D. Transparent Region Development Guidelines

Permanent changes to public land, outside of the seasonal tree and ground texture changes and official CDS temporary structures for events, have to be announced in the forums and allow a comment period of 10 days, to make sure the interests of neighboring parcel owners are taken into account. Public spaces have to be developed in accordance with policy and changes need to be subject to public comment and review"
[11:13:00] Almut Brunswick: Second
[11:13:17] Tanoujin Milestone: okay, everyone knowing what we are about to do?
[11:13:22] Almut Brunswick: Sure
[11:13:24] Tanoujin Milestone: all orientated?
[11:13:26] Rosie Gray: wait a second though
[11:13:31] Tanoujin Milestone: sure
[11:13:40] Rosie Gray: does it matter if it is here?
[11:13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah I am looking
[11:14:01] Rosie Gray: it's essentially the same thing, and it might make it easier for people to find the rules
[11:14:09] Almut Brunswick: Yes it does matter, because we would have the same regulation in two laws. And that makes referencing difficult
[11:14:11] Rosie Gray: about the 10 day comment period
[11:14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: the question is whether it aims at the same target group
[11:14:54] Tanoujin Milestone: so, If in both cases public servants are affected, we have a doublet
[11:15:15] Tanoujin Milestone: if the LUC act aims at contractors as well, I am not so sure
[11:15:25] Almut Brunswick: For me, D looks like a later addition to the original act anyway
[11:15:36] Tanoujin Milestone: that is correct Almut
[11:15:41] Tanoujin Milestone: it was provisional
[11:15:55] Almut Brunswick: It is not an organic part of the Civil Service Act
[11:15:57] Tor Karlsvalt: To me it really is misplaced in an act about the civil service.
[11:16:17] Rosie Gray: I bow to everyone's comments ㋡
[11:16:39] Almut Brunswick: Right. And now that we have an Act which is expressis verbis dedicated to that purpose, we should remove it from this "makeshift" place
[11:16:56] Tor Karlsvalt nods
[11:17:17] Rosie Gray: okay
[11:17:31] Tanoujin Milestone: I agree
[11:17:36] Almut Brunswick: and laws are a bit like programming: DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself :D
[11:17:45] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[11:17:48] Tanoujin Milestone: that is true,
[11:18:08] Almut Brunswick: So let's roll it out now
[11:18:17] Tanoujin Milestone: so, we have the motion to strike it, and a second, discussion was sufficient. Please vote
[11:18:17] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree, especially if later updates are needed. Then you are changing stuff in multiple places.
[11:18:26] Rosie Gray: true
[11:18:33] Rosie Gray: I'm ready to vote
[11:18:35] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:18:40] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[11:18:41] Almut Brunswick: Yes, and the danger of deviations is given
[11:18:43] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:18:44] Almut Brunswick: aye
[11:19:05] Tanoujin Milestone: fantastic, the motion carries. Thank you!
[11:19:16] Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
[11:19:17] Tor Karlsvalt thinks he must be at some other group meeting, not CDS.
[11:19:21] Almut Brunswick: The full package is through!
[11:19:22] Tanoujin Milestone: Will you tinker with the website, Tor?
[11:19:23] Rosie Gray: lol, tor
[11:19:38] Tor Karlsvalt: sure will. I might need the password.
[11:19:44] Tor Karlsvalt: but will figure it out.
[11:19:59] Tanoujin Milestone: it is just a QU section
[11:20:05] Tanoujin Milestone: *qa
[11:20:09] Almut Brunswick: Tor, that is just that high percentage of Germans and Canadians in the current RA
[11:20:19] Tor Karlsvalt: LOL
[11:20:20] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
[11:20:44] Rosie Gray notes the time
[11:20:58] Tanoujin Milestone: I move to table new business until next time
[11:21:05] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[11:21:11] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): If you will excuse me, this chancellor needs to fluff her pixels a vit.
[11:21:15] Tanoujin Milestone: and vote please
[11:21:17] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:21:18] Almut Brunswick: Yes, especially our friends of the SC are not here
[11:21:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) bows humbly
[11:21:27] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:21:31] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:21:33] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[11:21:39] Almut Brunswick: aye
[11:21:47] Tanoujin Milestone: motion carries
[11:21:54] Tanoujin Milestone: 8. Announcements
[11:22:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Feb. 13 1200 Valentine (NOW)

Feb. 20 LUC meeting
[11:22:18] Tanoujin Milestone: anything to add?
[11:22:35] Tor Karlsvalt: not from me.
[11:22:37] Rosie Gray: nope
[11:22:50] Tanoujin Milestone: so when shall we meet again ;)
[11:23:25] Tor Karlsvalt: 27th
[11:23:29] Rosie Gray examines her calendar
[11:23:42] Rosie Gray: 27th is fine for me
[11:23:52] Almut Brunswick: Yes, sounds good. That's today in a fortnight
[11:24:05] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[11:24:06] Tanoujin Milestone: good. 10am again?
[11:24:11] Rosie Gray: sure
[11:24:17] Almut Brunswick: ok
[11:24:22] Tor Karlsvalt: 10AM should be good. I shouldn't have to work OT
[11:24:27] Almut Brunswick: I think that works best for Tor
[11:24:33] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, I think we do not need to vote on that
[11:24:38] Almut Brunswick: nope
[11:24:41] Rosie Gray: sorry you have to work on Saturdays, Tor!
[11:24:47] Tanoujin Milestone: lets adjourn
[11:24:53] Almut Brunswick: Second
[11:24:55] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, and we are getting some extra help at the office so I might even be able to get out of OT altogether.
[11:24:58] Tanoujin Milestone: vote
[11:25:01] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:25:05] Almut Brunswick: aye
[11:25:07] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[11:25:19] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:25:31] Tanoujin Milestone: we stand adjourned until Feb 27 10 am. Thank you!
[11:25:31] Tor Karlsvalt: whoot
[11:25:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Good job Tanoujin
[11:25:42] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks, Tor
[11:25:51] Tor Karlsvalt: We are under the 90 minute rule
[11:25:53] Tanoujin Milestone: it is a pleasure to work with you all
[11:26:04] Rosie Gray: thanks for doing such a great job, Tan
[11:26:09] Almut Brunswick: with some tricks and thanks to the absence of audience :D
[11:26:16] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe
[11:26:22] Tor Karlsvalt: takes a copy of chat jut to be sure.

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