Transcript, RA Meeting Oct. 9, 2021

[Rosie Gray]

[2021/10/09 12:07] Almut Brunswick: Dear Madame Chancellor, dear fellow RA members, dear citizens of the CDS (represented by Jerry McNally and today not Lility^^), welcome to our 8th regular Representative Assembly Meeting. I call this meeting to order (12:07 PM SLT for the MoM).
[2021/10/09 12:08] Rosie Gray: hi Calli
[2021/10/09 12:08] Almut Brunswick: You will find the agenda of today in the white-blue cube. Please help yourself.
[2021/10/09 12:08] Almut Brunswick: Hello Calli.
[2021/10/09 12:08] Han Held: Heya, Calli
[2021/10/09 12:08] Callipygian Christensen: morning all
[2021/10/09 12:09] Almut Brunswick: (Jerry, Calli is member of the Scientific Committee, so all three constitutional powers are present now).
[2021/10/09 12:09] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Hey calli
[2021/10/09 12:09] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): erm *Councvil, Almut
[2021/10/09 12:09] Almut Brunswick: Has everybody fetched the agenda?
[2021/10/09 12:09] Rosie Gray: yes ma'am
[2021/10/09 12:09] Almut Brunswick: Yes, sorry, ...Scientific Council!
[2021/10/09 12:10] Han Held: reading now
[2021/10/09 12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Should have it, I'm having a laggy Saturday
[2021/10/09 12:10] Han Held: I'm getting 4.4 fps here -it's driving me up a tree tbh.
[2021/10/09 12:10] Almut Brunswick: 1.1 Approval of the Agenda: Please take a bit time to go through.
[2021/10/09 12:10] Rosie Gray: Motion to approve the Agenda as presented.
[2021/10/09 12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[2021/10/09 12:10] Almut Brunswick: Let's vote then.
[2021/10/09 12:10] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/10/09 12:10] Han Held: read, aye
[2021/10/09 12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[2021/10/09 12:10] Almut Brunswick: wow you are quick...Aye.
[2021/10/09 12:11] Almut Brunswick: Thank you!
[2021/10/09 12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 12:11] Almut Brunswick: 1.2 Review and approval of the Minutes of the Seventh RA Meeting: (and thank you Rosie for your accurate summary)
[2021/10/09 12:12] Han Held: I'm ready toapprove them when y'all are
[2021/10/09 12:12] Almut Brunswick: Do I hear a second?
[2021/10/09 12:12] Han Held: side note, please excuse my typos today; I'm lagging like you wouldn't believe
[2021/10/09 12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[2021/10/09 12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I turned my draw down to 32
[2021/10/09 12:13] Almut Brunswick: All done with reading?
[2021/10/09 12:13] Rosie Gray: has someone made the motion?
[2021/10/09 12:13] Han Held: I'm using a video card that's challenged by notepad, hopefully I get a new one friday. I'm done with reading, Almut
[2021/10/09 12:14] Almut Brunswick: Nope, hence my asking
[2021/10/09 12:14] Han Held: I move to approve the minutes of the Seventh RA meeting
[2021/10/09 12:14] Almut Brunswick: When there aren't any further questions, let's vote
[2021/10/09 12:14] Rosie Gray: Tor seconded, yes?
[2021/10/09 12:14] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): yes
[2021/10/09 12:15] Almut Brunswick: I hope so
[2021/10/09 12:15] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/10/09 12:15] Almut Brunswick: aye
[2021/10/09 12:15] Han Held: That's what I thought, I thought it had been made earlier
[2021/10/09 12:15] Han Held: aye
[2021/10/09 12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[2021/10/09 12:15] Almut Brunswick: Thank you
[2021/10/09 12:15] Almut Brunswick: 2. Executive Report (Kyoko)
[2021/10/09 12:15] Almut Brunswick: Madame Chancellor, the stage is yours
[2021/10/09 12:16] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): *clears her throat*
[2021/10/09 12:17] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Was at a longer than expected evnt at Kyoto Kagai, so will be making it up as I go along
[2021/10/09 12:17] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me giggles
[2021/10/09 12:17] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): OK Finances.
[2021/10/09 12:17] Han Held: I can appreciate that
[2021/10/09 12:18] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Are not especially goodit's hard to tell. Our occupancy is up but weekly instake is down
[2021/10/09 12:18] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): two long-time CDSers gave up some of their parcels
[2021/10/09 12:18] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Cindy Ecksol was auto-evicted.
[2021/10/09 12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: wow
[2021/10/09 12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: /me wonders if she is traveling.
[2021/10/09 12:19] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I do have the census Sudane took yesyerday which I need to post pronto
[2021/10/09 12:20] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): It's in preparation for the Term 36 election. But we will bew down a couple of citizens I fear on the next census before the actual election
[2021/10/09 12:20] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Otherwise Oktoberfest was a musical sucess I think
[2021/10/09 12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: /me claps
[2021/10/09 12:21] Almut Brunswick: (after the third beer, it was splendid!)
[2021/10/09 12:21] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): and attendance wasdecent, but not spectacular
[2021/10/09 12:21] Han Held: Almut
[2021/10/09 12:21] Han Held: ✿ ✿ giggle ✿ ✿
[2021/10/09 12:21] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Halloween is next, Oct 31 I think.
[2021/10/09 12:22] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Lilith and I are talking about reprising Dis de los muertos which was a total blast 2 years ago
[2021/10/09 12:22] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Other ideas that someone is willing to take charge of would be welcome tho
[2021/10/09 12:22] Almut Brunswick: for this event or in general?
[2021/10/09 12:23] Han Held: both, I imagine
[2021/10/09 12:23] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): The O-fest performers were new to us except for Zoree Jupiter, who btw loves performing at CDS.
[2021/10/09 12:23] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): if someone wants to take over Halloween and run with it. just let me know
[2021/10/09 12:24] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): otherwise is Dia de los Muertos
[2021/10/09 12:24] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): which is a lot of fun
[2021/10/09 12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Sounds like fun
[2021/10/09 12:24] Almut Brunswick: Yes, we are looking forward to it with a smile
[2021/10/09 12:24] Rosie Gray: it does... and I have missed it for the last 2 times
[2021/10/09 12:24] Almut Brunswick: so it is your third chance now, Rosie
[2021/10/09 12:25] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I'm have out maiko and geiko friends from Kyoto Kagai lined up for mid november. It is on the calendar.
[2021/10/09 12:25] Han Held: I think we're unanimous on Dia De Los Meurtos
[2021/10/09 12:25] Almut Brunswick: nods
[2021/10/09 12:25] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): The next main event will be in December, the Inaugural Ball which T35 is responsible for planning.
[2021/10/09 12:25] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Run for chancellor and you get to tell me what you want
[2021/10/09 12:26] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): altho T36 pays for it
[2021/10/09 12:26] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me winks
[2021/10/09 12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 12:26] Han Held:
[2021/10/09 12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: /me RA must raise the debt ceiling.
[2021/10/09 12:26] Almut Brunswick: I'm afraid that will be likely the usual supspicious
[2021/10/09 12:26] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): with regard to my plans, I'm developing C.16 into The Aphrodite Ballroom
[2021/10/09 12:27] Almut Brunswick: ?
[2021/10/09 12:27] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): post being chancellor I expect to run regular small events at the cafe and the ballroom
[2021/10/09 12:27] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): C.16 is a historic build that Rosie updated a while back.
[2021/10/09 12:28] Almut Brunswick: aha
[2021/10/09 12:28] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): otherwise I hav e already been attending some VWEC meetings
[2021/10/09 12:28] Almut Brunswick: VWEC stands for?
[2021/10/09 12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: /me thanks for asking
[2021/10/09 12:28] Han Held: Sorry for asking but...yeah, what Almut just asked
[2021/10/09 12:29] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): and participating in a SL education channel run by Madori Linden
[2021/10/09 12:29] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I will continue that activity in January
[2021/10/09 12:29] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): (needs a mont off )
[2021/10/09 12:29] Almut Brunswick: Please don't use abbreviation that are not generally common, also in respect on the minutes. Thank you.
[2021/10/09 12:29] Han Held: You've certainly earned it
[2021/10/09 12:29] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I think I'm done
[2021/10/09 12:29] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): /done
[2021/10/09 12:30] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): haha Almut
[2021/10/09 12:30] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Any questions from the audience?
[2021/10/09 12:30] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): edu-land does like alphabet sioups
[2021/10/09 12:30] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2021/10/09 12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Sounds good, and all in the right window.
[2021/10/09 12:30] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): virtual world educational consortium
[2021/10/09 12:30] Almut Brunswick: Rosie, please
[2021/10/09 12:30] Rosie Gray: thanks
[2021/10/09 12:30] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): haha at Tor
[2021/10/09 12:31] Rosie Gray: Kyoko, I'm just wondering if you contacted Cindy about her parcel through FB?
[2021/10/09 12:31] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): no I didn't
[2021/10/09 12:31] Rosie Gray: That's what I found successful in the past... although she doesn't always respond right away
[2021/10/09 12:31] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I can do that
[2021/10/09 12:31] Rosie Gray: she seems to want to still keep it, but doesn't keep track
[2021/10/09 12:32] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): since I'm not FB friends with her it slipped what's left of my mind
[2021/10/09 12:32] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): ok will do and then put her to rights
[2021/10/09 12:32] Rosie Gray: thank you ㋡
[2021/10/09 12:33] Almut Brunswick: Any further questions?
[2021/10/09 12:33] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): btw
[2021/10/09 12:33] Rosie Gray: not from me
[2021/10/09 12:33] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): right now I am officially representing CDS is VWEC
[2021/10/09 12:34] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): but will simply be a retired educator when I steo down
[2021/10/09 12:34] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): Oh one more thing
[2021/10/09 12:34] Han Held: I have no questions
[2021/10/09 12:34] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): sighs
[2021/10/09 12:34] Almut Brunswick: Rosie again
[2021/10/09 12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Sounds good
[2021/10/09 12:34] Rosie Gray: no, not from me
[2021/10/09 12:34] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I wrong a short reply to the "what if.." post
[2021/10/09 12:35] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I'm happy with the direction it's taking, but suggest a small tweak for balance
[2021/10/09 12:35] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): I'm really done.
[2021/10/09 12:35] Almut Brunswick: We will come to that question later on, Kyoko.
[2021/10/09 12:36] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): well I don't have much more to say
[2021/10/09 12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: We have been lucky to have you for all you have done and given to CDS.
[2021/10/09 12:36] Almut Brunswick: Ok, next point.
[2021/10/09 12:36] Almut Brunswick: 3. Land-Use Commission Report (Rosie)
[2021/10/09 12:36] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): and I will need to leave in a bit as my day is totally double parked
[2021/10/09 12:36] Han Held: YeSaH! we are, Tor -we're all grateful to you, Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:36] Rosie Gray: thank you, Almut
[2021/10/09 12:36] Rosie Gray: the LUC had a meeting on Sept. 25
[2021/10/09 12:37] Rosie Gray: we discussed how the LUC can assist the Chancellor with inspecting and approving new citizen buildings... I had started a post on the forum about it but nobody had responded yet.
[2021/10/09 12:37] Rosie Gray: we talked about it in the meeting some more, and everyone was encouraged to make their comments on the forum thread
[2021/10/09 12:38] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): /me hangs her head
[2021/10/09 12:38] Rosie Gray: the rest of the Agenda was tabled for the next meeting, which will be held Oct. 30 at 9:00 am slt
[2021/10/09 12:38] Rosie Gray: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9824
[2021/10/09 12:38] Rosie Gray: that is the link to the minutes.
[2021/10/09 12:38] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/10/09 12:39] Almut Brunswick: I abstained from comments, you won't like my opinion in this point. But maybe I will change my opinion.
[2021/10/09 12:39] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Any questions?
[2021/10/09 12:39] Han Held: None here
[2021/10/09 12:39] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): newp
[2021/10/09 12:40] Almut Brunswick: Ok then. Let's move to 4.1 CDSL 34-01 Land Use Commission Act

- The RA Leader proposes to vote for this changed legal text in order to enact the LUC Act:
https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php ... 7&start=75
[2021/10/09 12:41] Almut Brunswick: The changed legal text has been posted within the legal time for discussion.
[2021/10/09 12:41] Rosie Gray: link doesn't work
[2021/10/09 12:41] Almut Brunswick: oh
[2021/10/09 12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: i got an error
[2021/10/09 12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: The link must be incomplete.
[2021/10/09 12:41] Han Held: Yeah, it's mangled
[2021/10/09 12:41] Almut Brunswick: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php ... 7&start=75
[2021/10/09 12:41] Han Held: Thanks, Almut *clicks*
[2021/10/09 12:43] Almut Brunswick: Most of the text is known. There is just this link to the Transparency Act new in comparison to the original Act.
[2021/10/09 12:43] Rosie Gray: I move to accept the revision of CDSL 34-01 Land Use Commission Act to include the item 3 (B) (B) The duration of comment periods in the CDS Forums is defined in § 2 CDSL 34-02.
[2021/10/09 12:44] Rosie Gray: oops, only one (B)
[2021/10/09 12:44] Rosie Gray:
[2021/10/09 12:44] Almut Brunswick: Do I hear a second?
[2021/10/09 12:44] Han Held: second
[2021/10/09 12:45] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Let's vote then!
[2021/10/09 12:45] Han Held: Aye
[2021/10/09 12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[2021/10/09 12:45] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[2021/10/09 12:45] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/10/09 12:46] Almut Brunswick: Thank you! Finally the LUC Act is "in try towels" as we use to say in German.
[2021/10/09 12:46] Almut Brunswick: in dry towels*
[2021/10/09 12:46] Han Held:
[2021/10/09 12:46] Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
[2021/10/09 12:46] Rosie Gray: good!
[2021/10/09 12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: out of the laundry basket and back in the linen closet.
[2021/10/09 12:47] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2021/10/09 12:47] Almut Brunswick: It means we followed the second recommendation of the SC, but voted down the first recommendation. I hope everybody can live with it now.
[2021/10/09 12:48] Almut Brunswick: Next topic is 4.2 Constitutional Amendment for the Case that a Chancellor Candidate cannot be found

Reference to the Forum discussion: https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9822
[2021/10/09 12:49] Almut Brunswick: I assume you have already read this thread because most of you have actively participated on it
[2021/10/09 12:49] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/10/09 12:49] Han Held: yep
[2021/10/09 12:49] Han Held: it rings a bell
[2021/10/09 12:50] Rosie Gray: you started this one, Han!
[2021/10/09 12:50] Almut Brunswick: The question I would like to discuss with your here is how and where to cast these good ideas into an official form like an Act or Regulation/by-act.
[2021/10/09 12:50] Han Held: heheheheh
[2021/10/09 12:50] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): bows
[2021/10/09 12:50] Han Held: /me waves to Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:50] Kyoko Barzane (Samara Barzane): please excuse me
[2021/10/09 12:51] Han Held: /me raises my hand to speak
[2021/10/09 12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:51] Rosie Gray: bye Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:51] Han Held: was good seeing you,Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:51] Almut Brunswick: Bye Kyoko
[2021/10/09 12:51] Kyoko Barzane: left the region.
[2021/10/09 12:51] Almut Brunswick: Han please
[2021/10/09 12:51] Han Held: Thanks -typing now
[2021/10/09 12:52] Han Held: The thread has begun to take off and y'all have made some great comments, and Sudane's given us some valuable historical perspective as well....
[2021/10/09 12:53] Han Held: I'm surprised by -but agree with- the notion that we should redefine the job of Chancellor with an eye towards (as I understand it) making it into a more abassador type of role
[2021/10/09 12:53] Han Held: ...that said, I am not sure that the conversation has reached a point where we've agreed on what duties can be rolled back into the RA -or even if that's what we want to do
[2021/10/09 12:54] Han Held: So it's my opinion that we're not ready to take the discussion from the forum and bring it to the RA.
[2021/10/09 12:54] Han Held: Done
[2021/10/09 12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand
[2021/10/09 12:54] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2021/10/09 12:54] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[2021/10/09 12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[2021/10/09 12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: I am a bit confuses by this discussion.
[2021/10/09 12:54] Han Held: You've ready the thread?
[2021/10/09 12:54] Han Held: *read
[2021/10/09 12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: I understand that the job is hard and demanding and that we have fewer candidates for the job.
[2021/10/09 12:55] Han Held: (hard, demanding and most importantly un-rewarding; lotta work, little recompse)
[2021/10/09 12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: However, if anyone is conserned about running of the CDS I can tell you from my experience and from talking to Chancdellors, that often help is not to be found for the tough tasks.
[2021/10/09 12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Likely any reform will only end up with people sitting on their hands waiting for the other to take action.
[2021/10/09 12:56] Han Held: /me nods in agreement with that last sentence
[2021/10/09 12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: It is better to have people willing. ATM we have been served well by Kyoko and previously Rosie
[2021/10/09 12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: Done
[2021/10/09 12:57] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. Rosie please
[2021/10/09 12:57] Rosie Gray: thank you Almut
[2021/10/09 12:57] Rosie Gray: I don't think we are at a point to start writing any laws yet
[2021/10/09 12:57] Han Held: /me nods in agreement
[2021/10/09 12:57] Rosie Gray: we're still talking over what type of approach to take
[2021/10/09 12:58] Rosie Gray: but
[2021/10/09 12:58] Rosie Gray: this whole discussion came up because it has become clear that we WILL face the day when there is nobody prepared to take on the Chancellorship
[2021/10/09 12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand.
[2021/10/09 12:59] Rosie Gray: I think that we should be prepared with even some kind of 'backup' legislation on how we handle that.
[2021/10/09 12:59] Rosie Gray: so I think we need to hash out some ideas, and prepare for that day
[2021/10/09 12:59] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/10/09 12:59] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[2021/10/09 12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[2021/10/09 13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: I have to say that I was hardly prepared to be Chancellor when I first became chancellor.
[2021/10/09 13:00] Han Held: /me raises my hand
[2021/10/09 13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: It was probably the hardest point in our history, after the Al Andaluse break up
[2021/10/09 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: We were fragmented and I was relatively new to SL and CDS. But we pulled it off
[2021/10/09 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: So I think people might rise to the occasion.
[2021/10/09 13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Second point I would worry about.
[2021/10/09 13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Given human nature and the long run of Sudane, I would worry that people might just cede authority to the Treasurer. I am sure she would not be pleased and not her desire as I know Sudane has been a true democrat throughout her years of service to the CDS.
[2021/10/09 13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[2021/10/09 13:03] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Tor. Han please.
[2021/10/09 13:03] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2021/10/09 13:05] Han Held: Thanks, I think Rosie largely hit the nail on the head but I would like to amplify one thing she said; we will very soon reach a point where no one prepared *or willing* to be chancellor. Meaning the ones who are able to do the job will "nope" out of it
[2021/10/09 13:05] Han Held: done.
[2021/10/09 13:07] Almut Brunswick: Well, that all is known and already addressed in the forum. The threatening "chancellorship vacancy" is just another symptom of the notorious lack of willing and dedicated citizens to take over *any* sort of public role.
[2021/10/09 13:07] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/10/09 13:08] Almut Brunswick: So what we are trying is to fill one gap by causing other gaps.
[2021/10/09 13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods
[2021/10/09 13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand
[2021/10/09 13:08] Han Held: That's a good point right there, Almut; what happens if we fill the Chancellorship but can't make quorum at the RA.
[2021/10/09 13:09] Almut Brunswick: I like the idea to delegate the most crucial Chancellor obligations on more shoulders, temporarily and steadily
[2021/10/09 13:09] Han Held: /me raises my hand
[2021/10/09 13:10] Rosie Gray: /me waits patiently
[2021/10/09 13:10] Almut Brunswick: also to make it easier to find candidates for the Chancellorship. on the other hand, it is the completely wrong way to make the Chancellor just to a more or less useless representative like - say - the British queen. We cannot afford such a luxury here. Done.
[2021/10/09 13:10] Almut Brunswick: Rosie please.
[2021/10/09 13:10] Rosie Gray: thanks
[2021/10/09 13:11] Rosie Gray: I don't think we want to make the Chancellorship useless, but Sudane made good points about the need for 'outreach', and that could become more the role of the Chancellor... or we restructure completely
[2021/10/09 13:11] Rosie Gray: we could have a formal Ambassador
[2021/10/09 13:12] Rosie Gray: and and have a system where IF we don't have a Chancellor, we can function still
[2021/10/09 13:12] Rosie Gray: not to get rid of the Chancellorship, if someone is willling and able to take it on
[2021/10/09 13:13] Rosie Gray: but to be prepared in the case that there is no one
[2021/10/09 13:13] Rosie Gray: we have up here right now 3 people who have been Chancellors
[2021/10/09 13:13] Almut Brunswick: yes, but I think we all understood that
[2021/10/09 13:13] Rosie Gray: we all understand these issues, yes
[2021/10/09 13:13] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/10/09 13:13] Almut Brunswick: Tor please
[2021/10/09 13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you. This is the very point I was making before. How can we expect members of RA or anyone interested to take upon themselves the tough duties of Chancellor while they have already declined to hold the position? It just wont happen. We could try to form a city manager position instead of an RA, but I qurantee you, that the tough jobs will fall to one person or maybe two. As far as outreach I do believe that is important. Certainly it is the chancellor job. But it is also the job of all of us. I know I make all my mainland parcels little ads for CDS and have forged a small link to sailing communities.
[2021/10/09 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Basically, we should focus on getting more people .
[2021/10/09 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Maybe free tier for a month or something. RA would have to approve that.
[2021/10/09 13:14] Rosie Gray: easier said than done, Tor
[2021/10/09 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: True.
[2021/10/09 13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Done
[2021/10/09 13:14] Almut Brunswick: nods in agreement to Rosie. Han please.
[2021/10/09 13:15] Han Held: Any kind of financial or quasi financial compensation would be gamed faster than you could say "reno"
[2021/10/09 13:15] Rosie Gray: I agree, Han
[2021/10/09 13:15] Han Held: Thanks, Almut -I need to type, give me a sec please
[2021/10/09 13:17] Han Held: First, I feel exactly the opposite of Alumut; I think that the office of Chancellor would do well to be reformed and I'd even consider it if it was some sort of "be a diplomate and sent out late notices" kind of job. As it is now, I feel like there's way too much to do for way too little reward/satisfaction/anything at all to reasonably ask someone to take the job on (still typing)
[2021/10/09 13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand
[2021/10/09 13:18] Han Held: I think regardless of declinining participation numbers we ought to reconsider redefining the role and duties of chancellor
[2021/10/09 13:18] Han Held: (still typing)
[2021/10/09 13:19] Han Held: Regarding Tor's very good point about jobs still going undone; I think that rolling some duties back to the RA could fix that -if someone hasn't sent out deliquent teir notices the LRA can assign someone else. Right now if the chancellor doesn't do it -it's not done
[2021/10/09 13:19] Han Held: So that might actually be an *advantage* to rolling the duties back to the RA
[2021/10/09 13:19] Han Held: Lastly, I feel we need to define what the duties of chancellor are, exactly, then consider reforming the role and then making a contingency plan for when no one wants the job
[2021/10/09 13:19] Han Held: Done
[2021/10/09 13:20] Almut Brunswick: Considering the time, I would like to close the discussion for today and to point on the ongoing discussion in the Forum we should continue.
[2021/10/09 13:21] Han Held: (Tor was going to make a point, as was Rosie I think?)
[2021/10/09 13:21] Han Held: May I suggest letting them type and then closing?
[2021/10/09 13:21] Almut Brunswick: Ok, then Tor and Rosie with last statements.
[2021/10/09 13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: First, the Chancellor position was created because RA could not or would not attend to the mundane domestic duties. As with everything, if you are around long enough, the cry is to return to an old and discredited policy. Second, I think sometime rules are put in place to
[2021/10/09 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: benefit the citizen and to offer due process
[2021/10/09 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: and protection from a zealous Chancellor
[2021/10/09 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: perhaps these rules of notification are too much work and offer no real protection
[2021/10/09 13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: just cover for deadbeats.
[2021/10/09 13:22] Han Held: /me raises an eyebrow
[2021/10/09 13:23] Han Held: /me smirks
[2021/10/09 13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: RA should consider this when making rules.
[2021/10/09 13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[2021/10/09 13:23] Almut Brunswick: Rosie?
[2021/10/09 13:23] Callipygian Christensen: left the region.
[2021/10/09 13:24] Rosie Gray: Thanks, I only wanted to remind everyone of the CDS Chancellor Manual, while it is not a legal document, it has been developed by several of us that have been Chancellor because there was nothing before to help
[2021/10/09 13:24] Rosie Gray: https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/ ... 3r2UBO/pub
[2021/10/09 13:24] Rosie Gray: so, this is really a detailed description of the job of Chancellor
[2021/10/09 13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: This brings back memories
[2021/10/09 13:24] Rosie Gray: we do have that ㋡
[2021/10/09 13:24] Rosie Gray: done
[2021/10/09 13:25] Han Held: I think we need a legal definition, myself. /done
[2021/10/09 13:25] Almut Brunswick: I think it is a good base to start from - to qualify potential candidates but also to think over changes.
[2021/10/09 13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: There is the constitution
[2021/10/09 13:25] Rosie Gray: yes, but that's not a job description
[2021/10/09 13:26] Almut Brunswick: What I wrote in the forum is still a point I want to insist upon: For any vacanct time, the Chancellor needs a substitute.
[2021/10/09 13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think you will write out future candidates for the job.
[2021/10/09 13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: The job description is win an election
[2021/10/09 13:26] Almut Brunswick: That must become part of the constitution, too.
[2021/10/09 13:27] Han Held: I could promise everyone L$50 per vote and win the election..then sit on my hands.
[2021/10/09 13:27] Han Held: /me shrugs
[2021/10/09 13:27] Rosie Gray: there haven't even been elections for several years now
[2021/10/09 13:27] Han Held: /me nods agreeing with Rosie
[2021/10/09 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:27] Han Held: "acclaimed Chancellor" indeed
[2021/10/09 13:27] Almut Brunswick: Anyway...there is so much to discuss yet. I thank you for now for oyu rcontributions and keep the discussion alive. We need a result better sooner than later.
[2021/10/09 13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Well that is an election.
[2021/10/09 13:28] Almut Brunswick: (4.3 Constitutional Amendment in Respect of the Minimum RA Size OPTIONAL; should be likely tabled)
[2021/10/09 13:28] Han Held: On a side note I want to mention and thank Sudane for broaching the idea of reforming the Chancellorship into something better
[2021/10/09 13:28] Han Held: That's also a seperate discussion we ought to have
[2021/10/09 13:28] Almut Brunswick: I assume you all agreed to that proposal. This is another serious topic which has exacty the same background.
[2021/10/09 13:29] Almut Brunswick: But we should discuss it later on and not today anymore.
[2021/10/09 13:29] Rosie Gray: agreed!
[2021/10/09 13:29] Almut Brunswick: Thank you!
[2021/10/09 13:29] Almut Brunswick: 6. Citizen Concerns
[2021/10/09 13:30] Almut Brunswick: Jerry ... (I hope he didn't fall asleep...)
[2021/10/09 13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: /me and we have a citizen!
[2021/10/09 13:30] Rosie Gray:
[2021/10/09 13:30] Jerry McNally: /me is still listening, don't worry
[2021/10/09 13:30] Almut Brunswick: /me throws little paper balls toward Jerry
[2021/10/09 13:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2021/10/09 13:30] Han Held: heheheheh
[2021/10/09 13:31] Jerry McNally: Thanks everyone. I have been making notes about the last discussion but will send them to the forum, I think.
[2021/10/09 13:31] Almut Brunswick: Good!
[2021/10/09 13:31] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2021/10/09 13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand
[2021/10/09 13:31] Han Held: Cool, do you have anything on your mind you want to bring up today?
[2021/10/09 13:31] Han Held: that we haven't mentioned or anything
[2021/10/09 13:31] Jerry McNally: I have nospecific questions or concerns, but feel that I need to catch up on lots of forum posts before I can contribute properly.
[2021/10/09 13:32] Jerry McNally: just curious to see what goes on here, behind the scenes of all this beautiful scenery
[2021/10/09 13:32] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2021/10/09 13:32] Rosie Gray: great to see you here, Jerry
[2021/10/09 13:32] Han Held: Definately
[2021/10/09 13:33] Almut Brunswick: Well, dominance, nepotism, corruption... the usual freak show errmm... living democracy..
[2021/10/09 13:33] Almut Brunswick: /me slaps her own hand
[2021/10/09 13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you for coming. I remember when I started at CDS, I attended RA meeting even before owning land. Let me note that you can propose legislation and comment during debate.
[2021/10/09 13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:34] Almut Brunswick: /me seconds that
[2021/10/09 13:34] Han Held: I think I attended an RA meeting before joining too; but I'm not sure if it was on this account
[2021/10/09 13:34] Almut Brunswick: and I need to add that I regarded the first RA meetings I attended as ... well, I didn't really get a heart attack there
[2021/10/09 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: /me almost misses the Cleo years
[2021/10/09 13:35] Almut Brunswick: So you are encouraged to participate here and in the Forum
[2021/10/09 13:35] Jerry McNally: thanks
[2021/10/09 13:35] Almut Brunswick: the beautiful years of tyranny?
[2021/10/09 13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:35] Han Held: Drama at least
[2021/10/09 13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Maybe the passion.
[2021/10/09 13:36] Almut Brunswick: Ok, folks, any RA concerns?
[2021/10/09 13:36] Han Held: I managed to miss all of that -just barely
[2021/10/09 13:36] Han Held: like, I came the term afterwards
[2021/10/09 13:36] Han Held: I have no concerns
[2021/10/09 13:36] Rosie Gray: not from me
[2021/10/09 13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Nor from me.
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. We already had the Announcements part from Kyoko when there isn't any further annoncement to add.
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: 9. Next RA meeting
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: Proposal?
[2021/10/09 13:37] Rosie Gray: /me cranks up the calendar
[2021/10/09 13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: two weeks from today.
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: Oct. 23, 12:00 PM SLT?
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: sounds good
[2021/10/09 13:37] Rosie Gray: I'm away that weekend
[2021/10/09 13:37] Almut Brunswick: hmm
[2021/10/09 13:38] Almut Brunswick: Oct 30 then?
[2021/10/09 13:38] Rosie Gray: there's an LUC meeting on the 30th
[2021/10/09 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Following weekend?
[2021/10/09 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2021/10/09 13:38] Almut Brunswick: ouch
[2021/10/09 13:38] Rosie Gray: nothing next Saturday
[2021/10/09 13:38] Rosie Gray: the 16
[2021/10/09 13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: RA no members and not enough days.
[2021/10/09 13:39] Almut Brunswick: What do you say? Already in a week again?
[2021/10/09 13:39] Rosie Gray: maybe we make some progress with the Chancellor issue?
[2021/10/09 13:39] Han Held: I can't do a meeting before th 23rd
[2021/10/09 13:39] Almut Brunswick: yes
[2021/10/09 13:39] Han Held: rl is too hectic
[2021/10/09 13:39] Almut Brunswick: hmm
[2021/10/09 13:39] Han Held: I don't mind asking for a 7 day vote so y'all can have a meeting though
[2021/10/09 13:40] Rosie Gray: hmmm. well what about the 30th at noon again?
[2021/10/09 13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I am free on weekends.
[2021/10/09 13:40] Han Held: I have a feeling the chancellor issue will be a slog; and the 30ths works for me
[2021/10/09 13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: 30th is good.
[2021/10/09 13:40] Almut Brunswick: 30 at noon after the LUC
[2021/10/09 13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Begin 10 to noon is fine
[2021/10/09 13:40] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2021/10/09 13:40] Almut Brunswick: So: October 30, 12 PM SLT
[2021/10/09 13:40] Rosie Gray: no, the LUC meeting is at 9:30
[2021/10/09 13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: find
[2021/10/09 13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: fine
[2021/10/09 13:41] Almut Brunswick: When I can make it, I'll bother .... ermmm... attend the LUC meeting, too, so you can make your report short, Rosie
[2021/10/09 13:41] Rosie Gray: hopefully the meetin gis short too!
[2021/10/09 13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: We could have the meeting at the Rathaus. Then we wouldn't even have to move.
[2021/10/09 13:41] Almut Brunswick: I really would love to see at least a direction where to go before the end of this term
[2021/10/09 13:42] Rosie Gray: yes, I agree Almut
[2021/10/09 13:42] Han Held: eenhh......
[2021/10/09 13:42] Rosie Gray: so we are agreed on Oct. 30 at noon SLT
[2021/10/09 13:42] Almut Brunswick: ok, agreed then?
[2021/10/09 13:42] Han Held: I'm in no rush re:redefining the chancellorship
[2021/10/09 13:42] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[2021/10/09 13:42] Han Held: agreed
[2021/10/09 13:42] Han Held: aye
[2021/10/09 13:42] Rosie Gray: aye
[2021/10/09 13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Fine with me aye
[2021/10/09 13:42] Almut Brunswick: Thank you! Hereby I declare this meeting as adjourned.