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Transcript of CSDF Meeting 29 July 2006

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Action points agreed at the CSDF General-Meeting 29 July 2006:

[list:2bwtju24]Moon & Jon to design website for the CSDF
Pat to draft first blog post for the website
Pat to post details of next CSDF GM on forum Thurs 3 August @ 3pm (in Pat's new place?)
Pat to post details of next CSDF public meeting on the forum Thurs 3 Aug @ 4pm (at the Red House?)
Pat to post final version of the Charter as agreed at the meeting
Pat to prepare clarification of CSDF proposal for an 'executive' branch of government in liaison with Jon and with contributions from Gwyn et al
Pat to submit Referendum proposal to the RA
Jon & Moon to draft bills on Guild, Civil Service, commitment to CN for next RA[/list:u:2bwtju24]

Unassigned action: initiate 'Constitutional Revision Planning Festival' - for discussion at next GM
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Transcript of CSDF Meeting 29 July 2006 Part1/4

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[color=Black:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Sienna:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Region: Neufreistadt (246528, 249600)[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Local-Position: (180, 107, 174)[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkGreen:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Meeting on 2006-07-29[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Those present[/b:223lsr31]: [/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami is in the chair.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkRed:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Ranma Tardis has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: This is form the forum:[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: 1. Discussion of Election results 2. Approval of Charter 3. Election of Secretary-General 4. CSDF action and iniciatives in the near future[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: thank you Jon ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: thanks, jon[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: very welcome.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: that's it exactly, Jon ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn appreciates Jon's organisation ;)[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn makes strong comments against Moon's apparent lack of them[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: rofl[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Thanks Moon![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn pats Moon on her back. "There, there."[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: pfff Gwyn[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: <grins>[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Oh, I am just as disorganized as Moon, I assure you[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: just a LITTLE absent-minded[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: You could fool me, jon![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Right... so, let we start? :D[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: ok, i propose we wait for a another 4 minutes and then start[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: *shall we[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Oh[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Why further 4 minutes??[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: are we expecting anyone else?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Are we expecting more people??[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Pat's question[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, i like round numbers ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol, i don't know![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: this is a public meeting[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think we can go ahead..[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: public does tend to arrive late lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol, ok[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: hmm[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: so, open discussion of teh election results[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: we did pretty damn well i thought![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think we are in a good position actually, and did resonably well for a new party.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: first of all, my thanks to all of you for a great campaign[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Oh, yes! Thanks!![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: indeed, thanks all round for all the hard work[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: it was really worth it - not only because of the good result, but as also for the level of political discussion raised[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: and also for this small community of CSDFers that has grown from it - as Jon was commenting the other day[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn totally agrees.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: yes[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Oh yes.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Also, as to the election results by themselves,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Really one of the nicest group of people I've met.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami seconds that[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: indeed :D[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: from the non-aligned citizens, we got 5 out of 11 votes.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Which was not too bad.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: it was very good[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: DPU has won because it is a larger party than us[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: and we are in a strong postion as the opposition party in the RA, they need us to cooperate to pass any constl amends[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: with your permision, Ranma :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes. And for their trouble they have to run things. :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, my opinion is, as you have heard me say times enough, lol (boring!)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: is that we can growsteadily on with a good oposiion work[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Absolutly![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Although hmm I think that somehow most of the citizens missed most of the debates.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: So while they were crucial, for us,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: yes[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: next time the CSDF should think on a different format.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i agree[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Something that appeals to the citizens.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, I think so.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Most never read what we ever said.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: yes, it's difficult to get ppl to attend meetings[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Do you think that people read more of what we posted in the forums I wonder?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i spoke to a few non-aligned residents during the campaign[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmm, we can check[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: the issues we were raising didn't really connect with 'non-political' citizens[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: oh, much more![/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i am seeing 30+ readings for each transcript[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i'm not sure that we would have been able to reach ppl who genuinely are not interested in nstadt politics[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Really?? ^_^[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: and we never had more than 7 people at meetings[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: but we shd bear it in mind in the future[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think we did end up communicting, just not directly through people who attended.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: if i read the transcript twice, does that count as one or two views?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: the debates were more successful, i think, in reaching the citizens[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmm, dunno Pat[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ah probably as two.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: And I agree, Moon![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: One idea is to set up our own faction web site with materials on proposals, etc.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: ah yes Jon! good idea![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: how resource intensive would that be jon?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: now we have the time for it[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: and would people be more apt to look at it, as opposed to reading the forums?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami can't code for toffee![/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Well, I could do it in a couple of afternoons and have something nice.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol Pat[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Sounds great :-D[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i'd be happy to contribute content[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: With the offiial Journal fo the CSDF? :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: *of[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: we already have quite a bit to start with[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i can help with webdesign - xhtml-css[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: @ Pat[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I would hope that people would go to both. The site for a more organized presenation and the forums for transcripts and discussion[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: a blog would be a good idea....[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees, and in-world for quick Q&A sessions[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Oh![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Good point, Pat ? a collaborative blog :)([/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Pat, yes a group blog would be a great idea.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: we??, the forum and the n'stadt site actually could link to our homepage[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: kind of like the herald? a party newspaper for nstadt?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well*[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmmm, what would be the regularity of it?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think that web is better than in-world for more substantial materials[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Something like that would be fun, Pat :D[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i have a bit of editorial experience and the regularity is always an issue[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i'm sure we'd find something to say weekly at least, even if it was only scandalous :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: hah. Yes.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think a blog, if we updated it for each RA session would function as a kind of newspaper.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: "The Observer"[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and the motto: "Always Alert" :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: hehe[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: can we skip the regularity altogether and rely on rss feeds for warning people that a nw article is out?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think do.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: brb. phone again[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: kk[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: we could even get a mention on SecondCast or Second Opinion, i see the Democrat got mentioned on both[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ohhh[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: yes[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Redak is working well, I see![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Although well, the Democrat is not strictly NFS.related.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Redak is very efficient indeed[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle smiles at everyone[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn imagines a pompous tabloid with headlines like: "The corrupt government in NFS is at it again!"[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: hehe[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: no, but one of the things the secondcasters referred to was 'local' newspapers that used to be for one sim neighbourhod[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Moon Adamant thinks about The Illustrated Social-Democrat, lol[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: "Thanks to the dilligence of the Observer's journalists, the Truth is once more public..."[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: ours would be like that[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and lol Moon![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i'm sure the German Social Democrats had some cool name for their newspaper in the early 20th centure[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: *century[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well, if we have snapshots, sure, I'll go with the Illustrated Social-Democrat :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle likes Moon's suggestion[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami googles[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: we can always feature a pic on page 2 ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Hmm, well, I personally like the idea... hehe...[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: ayway, we do need a site or a blog[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: The Herald has his "Page Six Girls" (and Boys recently), so...[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, I think a home page and a blog would work well.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: wb Jon :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami decides to google later[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: since we have started discussing the point 4 already[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: which is ok[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i'd like also to suggest that we continue the political discussion in inworld events[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: shall we talk about the coming RA session? have we finished on the site? or should we assign actions first?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, actions first, please :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami agrees with moon[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Yes[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, I think it is a great idea.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn is a very "yes" person today.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: But at a slower pace I hope![/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: yes![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, no more than 5 events per day ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i was thinking that they could be a very informal thing[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle lol Gwyn[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: who's going to do the website design?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I like the idea of announcing topics.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well, one suggestion would be to hold a discussion event every time there is a RA session,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: either before or after[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: so that people could give some feedback on what the CSDF should discuss at the RA,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i can give a hand there, if the implementation will be xhtml-css[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I would be glad to work on the web-site will give me some practice in any case.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and the CSDF could also present their views to the public, explain what they are about to vote, etc[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: listens to Gwyn[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Jon, on the site, as you know, I'll be always available, if the need arises :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: gr8, two volunteers there. i\m happy to draft an inaugural blog post. sorry, back to gwyn :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: hah. Well[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Thanks so much Gwyn! :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: One issue we have in N'stadt is that the citizens don't get *much* participation in RA matters.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: ie. they don't talk much about what is going to be proposed, or the consequences afterwards.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: The idea is to have "open meetings"; as per Moon's suggestion,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: so that people could come, and the CSDF would say: "we have 4 bills to vote on the next RA session. These are our ideas on the subject"[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: thus, citizens would say: "oh, why are you voting for/against that"[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: so - before the RA meetings at any chance[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: or "why don't you suggest that?"[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Yes prhaps[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I think this is a great idea.. a forum for public input[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and the next meeting could briefly examine what was decided on the previous RA session, and announce the work next[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, Jon, exactly.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: indded Jon and Gwyn![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: And tying in on the blog/web site for background material.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: would that be in addition to CSDF General Meetings or would we make the GMs open?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: How many CSDF GMs does the CSDF need? :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmm, Pat - i was thinking about that[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I thought our meetings were already open?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: we agreed once a fortnight[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: They are, Jon :D[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: oh they are, but this sounds a little different, am i right gwyn?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: ah. Ok, so perhaps do them together?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: oh, let's join the two then[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, I think combine them.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well, I don't know, Pat. They could be, or they couldn't be.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn is always ready for more discussions ? LOL[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: ok, here's my reasoning and a proposal[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: and calll thse open meetings, and the formal ones, the ordinary, GMeetings[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: It is important to sell these meetings are more related to specific topics so as to attract interested people.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Listens to Pat[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Jon, and listens to Pat.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: are = as[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: sometimes we will need to get our position s straight in a GM and then hold a public meeting[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle nods[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: i see[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: But how often?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: aaah I get your point, Pat.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: why don't we hold our GM primarly for ourselves and then hold the more 'public' bit relating to teh RA agenda?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ok![/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: ok[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Works for me![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: sure![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: back to back meetings, first hour GM, then open[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ok![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: hurrah![/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: oh, good idea![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Sounds good, and at least it shold be easier to figure out a common meeting time :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: do we know when RA meetings will be held this session?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Should we hold them at different locations to make sure people understand the difference?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: (good idea, jon!)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Pat, yes we do[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmm, first meeting is now[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: hmm, not sure that's necessary but why not try it?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Saturdays at 4 AM SLT, first I think on the 2nd (looks at calandar..)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ah. This is an excellent time :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Will you still be awake at that hour, Jon??[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: yes, it is.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: The 5th I think[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmmm,checks today's date[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I get up at 5 AM central time[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: awww right![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: We negotiated that time so it would be open to people in Europe as well. That is very important I think.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: I got to *sleep* at 5 AM GMT yesterday, lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well Jon, thanks for that![/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: yes, thanks very much Jon :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: very welcome! :) Also allows Moon to attend at times other than 3 AM.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: wow, what were u up to gwyn? :) never mind, don't tell me[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Jn did all teh negotiating bit :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Jon*[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Oh, and I have a proposal for the next debate that is held.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: listens to Jon[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: so when shd we hold our meetings? difficult to hold them before on a sat, eh?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Pat - in the saturdays between[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: It should be at 3 to 4 AM US Central time, and should be entirely in Portuguese[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: laughs[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: pffft[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami listens to jon, then laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: or Esperanto :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol Gwyn[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Ah! yes Gwyn[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, that's what Esperanto is meant for[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Do we have any members of the CSDF that speak Esperanto? :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: Saluton?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: We could try to have a running translation :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: lol Moon![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: if we hold our meeting a week in advance of the RA meeting will we have a settled position then? sometimes things move fast and a week is a long time in politics (and especially in SL politics)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well, it should give us good PR with the Esperantoists ;)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Pat, you're naturally right.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Yes, I think the forum will be used to hash out a lot of it too.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: That was one of my doubts as well, thus, I'm not sure if it should be a "after the fact" meeting, or a "before the RA is in session" meeting.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: hmmm, Pat, then in the weekdays, at evenings?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: The question is how can we coordinate with the forum-based discussion.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Also true. Hmm.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Too many variables![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn 's blonde brain explodes.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, Jon, transcripts for one thing[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol Gwyn[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami head hurty![/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn cleans up the mess later ? sorry, Yoge :)([/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol Pat![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ok, we can do it the pragmatic way (apologies to Ranma in advance!) ? just set up a meeting and see how it goes,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Gwyn, I think I see red hair!?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and adjust later if it doesn't.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, the good thing, i think, is that we can do a bit of an experiemnt too - and then settle on what works best[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ah Jon, the wonders and joys of primmed wigs :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i think the friday (or thursday) before would be best, but as gwyn suggests, we can be flexible[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkRed:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Ranma Tardis[/b:223lsr31]: no apoligies needed[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: thank you :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: smiles at Ranma :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Well, what time then?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkRed:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Ranma Tardis[/b:223lsr31]: :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: I would hold it close to the meeting if we can.. that way we can repsond to the forum discussions.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: I'm ok with Thursday or Friday,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: me too[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: sure[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: me as well[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkOrange:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Yogeswari Padar[/b:223lsr31]: :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: between noon and 4pm works for me[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: these are the days that I usually host Thinker's meetings around the 2-4 PM SLT time slot, but I can naturally shift them to the other day.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Suggestion... Friday, as late as possible? I'm thinking mostly about you, Pat[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Friday would be fine.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: and assuming that you don't work on Saturday mornings![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: aw, shucks. isn't gwyn nice to me :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: awww lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: remember, Moon and I are night owls :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: yes lol[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: actually i have a class sat mornings so have to get up reasonable early :([/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Oh![/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: *reasonably[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Ok, scratch Friday then.,[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Thursday? But then it couldn't be later than 3 PM.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: between noon and 4pm Friday is still ok with me, Thursday at Gwyn's time is ok too[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: What sayeth thee? :)[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: ok for me, of course[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: Either day works for me.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: well, then let's agree on this[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][i:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn pokes Jon & Yoge.[/i:223lsr31][/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: shall we schedule teh first discussion then?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Olive:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Jon Seattle[/b:223lsr31]: Ah, the times are SLT or GMT?[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Indigo:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:223lsr31]: SLT.[/color:223lsr31]
[color=Navy:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Patroklus Murakami[/b:223lsr31]: i was using SLT[/color:223lsr31]
[color=DarkSlateGray:223lsr31][b:223lsr31]Moon Adamant[/b:223lsr31]: SLT[/color:223lsr31]
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Transcript of CSDF Meeting 29 July 2006 Part 2/4

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[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: So 5 PM (3 SLT) would be fine.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Great![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: What would you prefer, Jon, Thursday or Friday?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Either would work. I mildly like Thursday better.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ok :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Whew[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: That was hard to settle :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok, Thursday then, if Yoge doewsn't object :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: first dicussion for the...?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye.... I think that Yoge is slightly alf'ish.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: or even afk'ish[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: fine by me too. shall we say 2pm SLT as teh start time? then we have two hours before i turn into a pumpkin at midnight GMT[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sure![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ah, on a work day I probubly wont be able to start before 5 (3 SLT)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ah yes, sorry[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hmmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: can we be a bit flxible on this, i suggest?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Also, I can do early mornings (late morning, early afternoons in GMT)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: k, let's try 3pm -5pm and see how it goes[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn makes a note so send some strong black coffee to Pat[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Pat, thanks! :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i'll try to get permission to stay up late (and risk the wrath of partner)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkOrange:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Yogeswari Padar[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sorry, gang, i have to leave - i have a commitment in RL - thank you all![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn adds to the list some sweets for Pat's partner ;)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Thanks Yoge![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: bye yoge, good to see u again[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ah, Yoge, thanks for hosting this![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami smiles at Gwyn[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkOrange:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Yogeswari Padar[/b:3cgzi3t6]: enjoy the space, i look forward to reading the transcript![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: have fun, see you later![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye Yoge, thanks for letting us use your home![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkOrange:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Yogeswari Padar[/b:3cgzi3t6]: bye[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle waves bye[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, ty yoge[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: shall we move on?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Well, what is the Thursday before the first meeting?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: The next one, I think?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: the 3rd[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: The 3rd?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, I think that is right.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Next item on the agenda :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: approval of charter[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn votes favourably on the charter :)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: before we move on, can i add an item?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: wait wait lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I'm assuming the one posted on forums & NFS site, right? :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ah sure Pat.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sure Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: there's something we should discuss today[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle listens[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: the new RA session and what we want to work on with the DPU first, meeting bewtween claude and jon and tactics, do we have time to do that today?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: listens[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: of course[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Oh, I thought that was item 4.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: happy to discuss under/after item 4. sorry, carry on to 2![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Me too, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol, this agenda is a bit disorganized...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: what do you prefer to discuss next?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I think 2 will go fast, 4 probubly also.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn launches web browser.[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: 2, 2. 2![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: 2 then?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle nods[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: as for charter[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Pat did that great draft[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: thanks![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: only one thing missing before we approve the draft[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami blushes[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and that is[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: we have to decide article 6 in it - Chart hmmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Amending the Charter[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, sorry. Just reading that.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, i fudged that bit. didnt have time to draft a proposal[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok, let's discuss it then[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: "Charter is amended by a 2/3 majority vote of all party members in a GM". There.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: That sounds fine.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: fine for me![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: "Any party member may submit suggestions for amendment"[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: 2/3 of those present? or 2/3 of total membership? does sound good tho[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Just to make clear how these are introduced.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Hmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Good point, we can discuss that?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: The Quorum for Meetings is an absolute majority of the current membership (i.e. 50% of the total membership plus one). Voting will be by simple majority (i.e. 50% of members present plus one)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i think we had discussed something like that previously[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, exactly[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: So, I'd say, quorum rules apply,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and 2/3 of the present members.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: so, same quorum but 2/3 of those present?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pat[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: what would that mean for our current membership? what is the min number of ppl needed to amend the charter?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Just reinforcing that anyone may propose an amendment[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: btw, we may have to ammend this if we get into an inflationary growth ;)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, I would go with that in case we get into a sitation where many members are not present.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami checks the group list[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Oh... currently... 3 out of 2 to be present, and 2 out of those three would be able to change the charter.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ah wait Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: you're right,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I'm assuming we're "only" 5 members[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: And actually, i think I've left the group, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: doh![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: No! Still there :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Sorry guys,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: 15 groups is a mess.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle smiles "thank goodness!"[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, you are - only just not elligible for RA[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: so two ppl could amend the charter? is that enough?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I drop often the groups that a) I've got no objects deeded to them and b) someone nice is able to invite me again[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: how come 2 in 5?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ah![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Moon: we're 5 people,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: quorum is 3[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and 2/3 of 3 is 2.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sorry, non-mathematical person present, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami nods at gwyn's explanation[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn excels at simple math with numbers under 10 :)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: LOL[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: fast moving fingers, i see... :D[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: It's easy, up to 10, as said :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well, you could upgrade easily to 20...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i'm happy with that. when we're at 50 members it will be much better but it's still ok at a small scale[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Nooo Moon. Only after taking a bath ;)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Anyway hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes Pat,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: the rationale being that if we can't get a regular quorum at least, it means that the rest of the people are a) uninterested or b) deliberately boycotting[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: when we have 50 members, we will have to change the quorum rules for meeting validation surely[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: so long as noone's planning a coup[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes :D[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: You might be right, Moon.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: or you'll never get a quorum there, even a simple majority[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I think that at that point, you'd have to elect a Standing Committee to make the decisions or something like that,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Perhaps just mention that changes in the charter should be included in the agenda before the meeting so that people will know a proposal is being discussed.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes moon, you have a good point there, but let's reconsider that when we hit 15 members yes?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: then i suppose you'll have to have that time rule, for half an hour later, quorum is everyone present - but it will be importantt to keep quorums for important matters like this[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and use the General Meeting just for changing the charter and major ideas.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sure Pat![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and yes Jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok, so the charter will read at this point[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: "Any party member may submit suggestions for amendment"[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: "Any party member will be able to suggest changes for an amendment, which will need approval by the General Meeting, with a quorom, and a favourable vote on 2/3 of all present members at the GM".[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: *charter amendment[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sounds fine to me[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: replace "suggest" with "propose", I think it sounds better[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Any proposal should be announced before the meeting.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i'll amend the charter accordingly and publish it along with the transcript of this meeting[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ah yes, that as well, Jon.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: now fr a formal vote[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: So it shouldn't be possible to introduce the change in the middle of the agenda..[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes to 'propose' :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn votes to add Jon's suggestion[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes to propose[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle approves of the charter[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: aye to the charter[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and totally agrees with Jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye, I approve as well.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: let me do the formal thingy...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Comrades![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn thinks that Moon is great with formalities :)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle giggles[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami waits for moon to do the formal thingy[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Center-left does not have 'comrades' these days, you marxist-leninist, you! :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for the ghost of Ulrika to appear behind Moon and tickle her with a hammer and sickle ;)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: do you agree to the writing of our charter as present in http://forums.neufreistadt.info/viewtopic.php?t=79, with the additions proposed in this meeting, as the Charter of the CSDF?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle lol[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye, we do.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: aye moon, that i do[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: we as in the royal plural, of course :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hmmm, a bit badly written, teh question... it was that haunting vision :D[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and yes as well[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: uh huh.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: so Charter approved[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, twice :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: by unanimity[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Informally and formally :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: this way and that way...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol, you have no sense of cerimonial Gwyn... how willl you bear the sword and scales?![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Not too bad, 1 hour and 20 mintes for two points! Next one...?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: not to mention Tyresias[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and lol Moon, that should be fun :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: point 3[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Election of Secretary general[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ah! Cool :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yay, hooray![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I nominate Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Jon is malicious :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yikes[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: But it would make some sense :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, it would :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: volunteering others...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn can't participate, so...[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i nominate Jon ;)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Pat, are you willing?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hmmm, happy to do it but only if there are no other volunteers[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Now we have two nominees :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I like having leadership spread out, keeps us more democratic[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: jon is bench leader, do we want to combine the two roles?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: oh, btw, this will have to be irregular again[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: No Moon, we could vote through the SL group voting thingy.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: But Pat has a good point there.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok, never remeber that we have voting tools in groups[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: How so very democratic of LL![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i don't think i ever proposed a votation in a group either...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I would also mention that Pat is doing very important work on responding to DPU proposals, etc.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: does anyone know how to use them? lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: LOL[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol pat![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn asks Lee Linden :)[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: my thought exactly[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and you are right Jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i withdraw my nomination of you then, and join you in supporting Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: How horrible![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i'm happy to take on the position and spread the load a little, jon has bench leader responsibilities, moon is busy with CN and of course Gwyn can't hold such a political office[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle laughs at the ghost of Lee appearing behind Gwyn[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok, so...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: do you want me to set the votation?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: (and can someone guide me in the process, lol?)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Ok Moon,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: open up the group dialogue box thingy...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Then Voting > Proposal[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: create proposal?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Hello Entity[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Set the duration for 1 day and the quorum at 4[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Green:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Entity Cosmo[/b:3cgzi3t6]: O.o[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: and simple majority should be enough[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Hi Entity, welcome![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Green:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Entity Cosmo[/b:3cgzi3t6]: what is this?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: General Meeting for the Citizen's Social-Democratic Faction of Neufreistadt, Entity.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Entity, this is a CSDF meeting[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: But it's open to attend.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Green:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Entity Cosmo[/b:3cgzi3t6]: never heard of it[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hi entity, we're holding a political meeting. you're welcome to attend (but may be bored!)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well lol, let's say that the CSDF is not exactly world-wide famous :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Not *yet* at least, hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ok ok... i think it is....[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: when Neufreistadt will take over the world, well then...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: YAY Moon, it works![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yay, works![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: mm hmm :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: cool[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I'm only afraid we'll only get the results tomorrow, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: works better than i thought, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: oh my, the tension![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: let em see, have you voted all?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Aye.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: even if all four of us have voted? i have[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I have as well. Hmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yoge is off-line[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I think that the system will only track us down tomorrow... hmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i have voted too[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Teal:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Multi Gadget v1.47.1 by Timeless Prototype[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: ah well, never mind. i can wait for the news /me won't sleep tonight[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Gah. I knew this would suck :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: LOL[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: rofl Pat!!![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well, at least now we know more about how the voting tools (don't) work![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkRed:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Ranma Tardis[/b:3cgzi3t6]: they are slow[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well, they are indeed![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Indeed.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sorry. I was looking for the voting thingy done by Philip Linden....[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Blue:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]SLVotingActivation: Connecting to SecondLife Feature Voting server...[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Hmm[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: The things I've got![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: oh,indeed lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle laughs again[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: aaah[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Oops![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: that's it![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: "2003-02-10 22:01:07 note card created by Hacker Philip Linden"[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Teal:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Multi Gadget v1.47.1 by Timeless Prototype[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Only half of me.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: sorry Jon![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=SlateGray:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]April 2003 VoteMaster: Click on the bar of your choice to vote.[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: hehe[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Bah. I think this is too complex to set up,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: forget it![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, lol, I will.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Pat won't sleep tonight...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Pat, congrats![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes, nay mind. let's wait til tomorrow :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lol, i congrat you anyway :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, indeed, lol[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: let's hope that's not premature moon :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: item 4? shall we?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: yes[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: we should have an hippo and a rose...[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle giggles[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well, we have discussed some points of 4[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: We did indeed.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Well, I would like to talk about the proposal re the Guild.. I think we need to explain some things to people in NF[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: but i do agree with our next victim oops Pat that we should prepare the next RA session[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: LOL[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Should I go ahead?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Entity, btw ? you are welcome to a seat![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: well claude wants to start on executive and guild. yes, jon do begin[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: please do Jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I agree with Pat, that there are more important issues, first. But I am also a little concerned about[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: what I see as a problematic meme about our proposal.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: That is from reading Claude's comments, it is clear that he does not understand how[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: checks and balances are to work under our proposal.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: listens very carefully to Jon[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkRed:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Ranma Tardis[/b:3cgzi3t6]: lisening[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami nods in agreement with jon[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: So, I think we need to do something to explain this.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: should we prepare a document on this?[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I think so.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I can only agree. Yes.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I haven't read the latest forum posts, though, and have been silent so far :)[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: The system of balances and checks has been one of the strong points of Neufreistadt, always,[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Navy:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3cgzi3t6]: i think we *all* have problems thinking outside our respective political systems. it's no gr8 surprise to me that european nstadters might 'get' a Cabinet but that a us citizen might come as this from the whole separation of powers angle[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Teal:3cgzi3t6][i:3cgzi3t6]Multi Gadget v1.47.1 by Timeless Prototype[/i:3cgzi3t6][/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: me neither gwyn... still bringing work that got late during campaign uptodate[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Indigo:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3cgzi3t6]: making sure that everyone understands the ones we're proposing is very important ? to keep up with tradition in NFS![/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: Yes, I especially agree with Pat[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Moon Adamant[/b:3cgzi3t6]: indeed pat, you are absolutely right[/color:3cgzi3t6]
[color=Olive:3cgzi3t6][b:3cgzi3t6]Jon Seattle[/b:3cgzi3t6]: I think that it can be difficult to think outside a familure system.[/color:3cgzi3t6]
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transcript of CSDF Meeting 29 July 2006 Part 3/4

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[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: u guys hav it drummed into u from birth! :) but perhaps clarification would help. or could we find an alternative executive proposal that the dpu could support better?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami shudders at teh thought of a Nstadt 'President'[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Oh, I was also taught as a child how the US system was better than parlement (laughs). Perhaps a reflection on the US revolution..[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn wants a monarch anyway ;)[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami smacks gwyn's wrist[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: naughty![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: well, i can't comment really - as you say, Pat, cabinet/parliament looks the 'natural' thing to me[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: LOL[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah, btw, and now seriously... I have to give you guys a most excellent link to a blog on democracy, and specifically, liberal democracy (but not in the sense usually meant by 'liberal')[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Gwyn, yes please! :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: personally i thought that a very loose cabinet as we defined would be attractive - since it would be mainly doing the strategic and coordination work[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: http://freedomism.blogspot.com/2005/05/ ... eedom.html[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: You might know the author...[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkRed:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Ranma Tardis[/b:131pg2z3]: you mean like how the liberal democratic party in Japan is not Liberal or democratic :)))[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: he's very good at explaining (remember he's talking to an American audience) why things like the Swedish or even German "social democracies" are not "communists" but as free and democratic as the US system.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: (and yes Ranma :) )[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: k, sounds interesting[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn admits to have invited the author of this blog to do a conference in SL.[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Gwyn, sounds very good![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: It does, Jon.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: i will read it carefully Gwyn, thanks :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Salzie passed me the link, after discussing some things with prokofy.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: This guy (Rummel) has very good arguments to silence people that are afraid that we Neufreistadters are not "truly democratic". Salzie's words: "it even seems that this guy has been in SL before!"[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: well, if it helps to make our reasoning and proposals clearer it can only be good[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Totally so, Moon.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Read up on the "common misconceptions" bit. All good arguments for us![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: *cough* back to the issue. how do we get the dpu to understand our proposal on an executive branch?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Teal:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Multi Gadget v1.47.1 by Timeless Prototype[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Entity seems to pop in and out[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Perhaps by analogy?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I mean,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: forum post in response to claude?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: the DPU assumes that the executive powers are in the RA,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: and is not afraid of delegating those to several tiny groups.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: listens to Gwyn[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So, from that, it seems that executive + legislative are in a single body[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkRed:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Ranma Tardis[/b:131pg2z3]: pardon me phone[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: (note: it's not clear at all, lol, but it mght be a good argument!)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: (no problem, Ranma)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Soooo[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: what we are proposing,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: is a clear separation of legislative and exective[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: we ALSO believe that both are in the RA somehow, only unclearly separated,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, that is important first of all: to clearly define what is the executive power[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: the "Cabinet" is equivalent to the DPU's "commitees" that get executive powers delegated to them[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: exactly[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: In my previous posts I tried to do a list on what I viewed as being "executive powers", as they relate to NFS,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: and what are "legislative powers"[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: indeed Gwyn, and your list is exhaustive, i think[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, i recall seeing that[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Although unlike Claude, I think that the executive powers are spread among Guild + RA[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami agrees with gwyn[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Well perhaps not exhaustive, but I hope it's a good guideline.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So hmm,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: what Claude suggests is really to get all these powers separated in several tiny groups[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: some locally, some "federally"[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: others remaining in the RA[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: as we remarked back then[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: It's not totally clear (for me at least) what is the criterium for assigning "powers"[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: this would add to the bureucratization[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: and good point Gwyn[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: For Claude, the criterium is not so important ? the important bit is that the *RA* has the executive powers, and delegates.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sooooo what we'll say:[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: we ALSO agree with "delegating" the executive powers :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Just we make things simple and consistent: delegation to a single body :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: As Moon told Claude: the Cabinet gets a mandate by the RA.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, the RA mandates the Cabinet[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: it seemed to me that claude was also trying to work out what safeguards there would be to prevent arbitrary concentraton of executive power in on person's hands[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: well[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: we should also answer that point, perhaps by making the Cabinet a minimum of three people from inside or outside the RA[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: that's what balance of powers is for[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes. This means that it has to be clear what powers get delegated, and what powers don't :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes Moon[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: namely don't forget[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: that we alo proposed that the Cabinet answers in RA[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: regularly[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: and that the RA approves still the Budget[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, that would be standard practice in the democracies i'm familiar with[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: still apporves*[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: approves*[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Agreed, yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant apologizes deeply for all the typos[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Also, Claude should understand that many of the "Laws" of the Neufreistadt Code of Laws[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I think we need to draft a short, clear reply and perhaps think of some of the objections that the DPU may raise.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: are often "bureaucracy procedures" and not really laws.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: They belong to the executive branch + Civil Service.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: true, gwyn, v true[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, so under the scope of the executive really[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Hmm perhaps we could point out the examples...[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: /no yes Moon[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sorry lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: no yes?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: <--- stuck gesture.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Gwyn, yes I think examples would help[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* yes[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: :D[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: that sounds painful :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Now it worked![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: k, who wants to draft the reply?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Who can do the drafting?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: snap![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ok hmm I can't, again for obvious reasons... lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle reads Pat's mind[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: laughs[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: ... but I could send *you* guys some ideas.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: some issues before that[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: and perhaps separate the laws into "real laws" and "executive procedures"[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: should we try and clarify also the civil society participation ?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Moon, yes![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: You're very right, that's another point that Claude never understood well.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: because teh DPU apparently thinks that we are centralizing[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I would keep it short though.. but yes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: while actually we are empowering spontaneous associations of citizens[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: The 11-page document that never was posted :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle laughs, yes.[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: lol, just a memo[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: we could begin by forming an autonomous group of citizens... i've been thinking of starting a 'Marketplatz Traders' Association'[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Pat, good idea![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Well, it's clear that the CSDF has to mention exactly how local participation at the sim level is created...[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: since we have a common interest and stake in the community[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Oh great![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn joins the group.[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Wait... I have no groups left to join, lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: me laughs[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn HATES the group system.-[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: and a great incentive to drive up traffic in the marketplatz[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: good idea Pat... though i have no slots left for groups :([/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah, you could always create alts just to join more groups.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Alts are outlawed in NFS :D[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle was being silly[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: hehe :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: well, maybe in 2039 we have a decent group sys[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Nah.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: i suggest that it could be created and request space in forum?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Unless we do it on our own :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Right.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So, hmm[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: actually gwyn...[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: to do it properly, the association has to be registered in Neufreistadt.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: couldn't you have a group system through objects and XML-RPC?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Which is good, we haven't accepted many registrations lately :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sure Moon[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I'm always thinking about doing that for the Church Meetings.... people always ask me if they can join a group for the Chrch to get notifications![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle nods[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i'll consider and let u know what i come up with[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: So, who will do the drafting? (or did we decide?)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: well, i don't volunteer[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: you are fee of course to use the memo[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: heh. As said, the best I can offer is spreading some emails around to you guys :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: but i don't think i have the time to make it on time[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I do know that email would be very helpful[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: brb[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: But I can't do any official posts. Actually, I sincerely hope that at LEAST one thing gets changed in the constitution, clarifying city official's participation in SL[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: *NFS I mean[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah, yes, good point.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: sorry.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn 's plan for World Domination Now? sometimes slips into her fingers :)[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I am hesitating to volunteer..[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: back[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i can draft something, but it may take a couple of days[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Though I would like to take some part.. perhaps I can lend insight into the DPU's views[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: if you care to pass the emails and so, i'll comment of course, but i am really afraid i have no time[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: ok, why don't i liaise with jon on the basis of all contributions. i'll pass round for comment before posting?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sounds like a plan :D[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: sure![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Sounds good.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: If we set the agenda, what part of out platform would we work on first.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: good question[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah. Finally we come to the interesting bits, LOL[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: (not that the other ones weren't interesting!!!)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ok, I'll put on my Wise Old Hat now...[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: i think that the clarification of citty offcials's political stnding[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Now, traditionally, after 3-4 RA meetings, people will start to drop off like crazy.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: is an urgent issue[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Soooo the IMPORTANT things have to be set on very early on the legislature,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: it'0ll be impossible to get a quorum in 3 months.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Remember: 3-4 bills max per session,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i guess our priority is constl reform (incl guild, exec) etc, halting the drive towards federalism and building up Nstadts civil society[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: My preference would be something other than constitutinal or organizational issues. I think those will be discussed anyway[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: so hmm you'll be able to get, say, 12-15 bills, and then it's bye bye.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami listens to Wise Old Gwyn[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: and I want to have something that we can show as a positive development.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: The strategy, well, could be one of the following:[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: so it is constitutionla reform[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: actually Pat[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: 1) Start with things that everybody agrees with (ie. both CSDF and DPU) and let the bothersome bits to the end of the legislature.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: i liked your suggestion that we called for definite discussion periods[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: That way, some work will be done ? and you can blame the lack of quorum for not helping to implement the rest :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: ... which would be the campaign agenda for the next term.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Gwyn, Aha![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: <--- is mean and cunning[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sometimes. :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Alternative 2) Start with discussing the tricky bits first, while people do care[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: There won't be an agreement in just 1-2 months, soooooo[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: all will be postponed and never implemented :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Again, good for the next agenda :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I know, I'm terrible.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: Jon is right lso in the sense that we have proposals that were part of our platform and we must put them to discussion[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: That's why I like Moon's suggestion of the "sliding" period for electing half of the RA... that way, every three months you get "fresh blood".[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami strokes beard thoughtfully in appreciation of Gwyn's machiavellian streak[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: One important thing, I think, given our goals is that CN be very successful.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Personally, i would start with strategy #1, which would make us all (DPU + CSDF) good working RA members, and raise everybody's spirits :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: and lol Pat, yes well[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: is thinking about every thing you all said[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: remember, I was LRA once as well, on a 7-member RA, which hardly had more than 2 members attending.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I think that replacing the Guild is tricky but very important.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: And then focus on CN.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ok.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I agree[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i think we should aim to get as much done in concert with the dpu where we have a shared agenda and they are prepared to be flexible[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: but could i ask a meta question about tactics?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Pat, the problem is that the Guild, I think, cannot be put off for long.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ok Pat, that would be strategy #1[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sure, go ahead hehe[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: do u think it is better for us to work as a loyal oppositoin party constructively, this means taking the lead on the legislative programme for the term?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Oh yes, totally so![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, of course![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: "taking the lead" is a crucial point, like, saying: "here are the 4 bills for the next meeting".[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: or allow the government to set teh agenda and concentrate on builiding our base outsided the RA i.e. by making a success of CN and buildign citizens' groups, education and arts etc?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: or do we try to do both?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: ah[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I can see both being important.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: both? lol[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ok, my thoughts: since these things would be more in line for a yet-to-be-discussed executive,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: can we kmake both?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: But do we have the time and energy..[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: indeed moon, it's a *lot* of work, time and energy[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I would concentrate on the *legislative* aspects of setting up the executive... which would be able to address those issues, even when there is no ore quorum at the RA.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So hmm,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: getting rid of Guild and setting up the Civil Service, priority #1[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: CN, priority #2[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Delegating executive powers, priority #3[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: If we manage to pull that off, we might even discuss some issues on the Constitution :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: for all that you need a constitutional reform Gwyn[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: at least in the articles relevant[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Well, perhaps we could work on selected issues .. yes, exactly Gwyn.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah, honestly, Moon? I don't believe we'll be able to do that,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: not with a meeting per fortnight only[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: RA session, I mean[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami is puzzled[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: but these thinsg shouold be written down in constitution[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i can' see how u could reform the guild *without* constl revision[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes, but you'd have to take them piece by piece[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: these are not administrative laws[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I think that constitutional reform will flow from the issues Gwyn outlined.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: exactly Pat[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Let me explain. What would be the best method? Working on a team to draft a complete constitutional revision, and then approve it *all* on the RA[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Sooo[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: this would mean, setting up a const. committee[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: And say, 2 months of work (mostly forum discussions)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: to elaborate a final draft[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: All sounds fine, BUT[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: yes, i see your point[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: but[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: our CURRENT constitution doesn't have a provision for doing the const. reform that way![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: soooo first you would have to approve a change for that to be possible,[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: you tell me :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: and hmm DPU is a bit reluctant to do that.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: the thing here is[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: hmmm, not sure i agree with u there gwyn[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: It will mean several meetings at the RA just to discuss that.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So! Alternative ? do it a bit at the time, until you get to a point where you can do a *full* reform.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami waits for gwyn to finish her point[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][i:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn is only brainstorming anyway :)[/i:131pg2z3][/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Go ahead, Pat :D[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: the constitution will be changed. period. because both DPU and CSDF have proposals that imply the re-writing of articles[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: well, i dont see the lack of a constl provision for a constl committeee as an issue[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: That is clear, Moon, just not the *extent* of change.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: listens to Pat[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah Pat, the RA *can* create a const. committee[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Do you think they'll go for it? Claude always says that he only wants tiny changes here and there, but no BIG changes.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: the ra could set it up, anyone could set it up. at the end of the day the proposals come to teh RA from a citizen or citizens and are voted on accordingly, the method by which u get there is secondary[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: I doubt we can convince the RA to support a const. committe.. Though I could be wrong[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Moon Adamant[/b:131pg2z3]: Gwyn, i mean that by altering the structure of the state only, you are doing a major constitutional reform, and not only some 'slight changes'[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes, I get you, Moon.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: i share your view tho htat claude might not be keen on wholesale changes[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: brb[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: An alternative would be to present the WHOLE package on a silver platter, so to speak![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: And vote yes or no![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: our own const commitee?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: So, the "citizen's planning festival on the constitutional change" :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: back. and we would do the drafting?[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Yes Jon ? exactly![/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Navy:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Patroklus Murakami[/b:131pg2z3]: oh, more widely[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: And why not, Pat? :)[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Olive:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Jon Seattle[/b:131pg2z3]: Its not a bad idea. But how would the strategy fit with the need to deal with the Guild in the short term[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: I think that would work well in theory, and would gather lot of support.[/color:131pg2z3]
[color=Indigo:131pg2z3][b:131pg2z3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:131pg2z3]: Ah yes Jon,[/color:131pg2z3]
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[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: well, the CSDF *can* sponsor a festival as such... what do you think?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: thus I would play Claude's game of "slight changes" here and there, which the DPU would approve[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: and yes Moon, exactly that![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: ... which would be running in parallel.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Oh, I think the festival is a great idea..[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: lol, now THAT is machiavellian[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: it should be possible to do this in discrete stages so that it is somewhat piecemeal but leads up to a coherent package[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Time is of the essence, though. Justice is the weakest link...[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Yes, Moon, exactly :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: So we go more slowly in the RA while building the means and ideas for more though change[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Put the public opinion ? the "man in the street" ? the Democrat and the Illustrated Social-Democrat working for us :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: brb[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: And we could also create a citizen's group to organize and manage the festival[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: indeed Jon[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][i:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami reminds jon we're meeting sudane at noon to talk CN finance[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Ah, yes![/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][i:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami needs to leave in half an hour to get a break![/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok, so let's summariz?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: just while gwyn is busy :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Sorry, back![/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: moon, u were going to summarise?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Scrolling back... and lol[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: lol, i was hoping anyone would![/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: hehehe![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: The Leader demands your work, Moon :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: tee hee.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: well, theer is consensus in sponsoring a festival for discussion of constl mtters[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][i:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: yes.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: lol, a victim still![/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: wait till i hand you the hippo and rose....[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: uh oh![/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: hmmmm[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Ok, so festival starts now.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: a citizens' group will be created to sponsor and organize the events of teh festival[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: And hmm, perhaps we should start with some bills for the next RA session? Remember that Claude will probably "close" submissions by Thursday or Friday.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Yes, we should.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: oh yes![/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok Gwtn[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: Gwyn[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: which would be those?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: shall i revive my referendum proposal?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ah, i daresay yes[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Good for the planning festival as well, Pat.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: I mean, definitely one of the points.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: I think we need to start proposing Guild replacement actions, out way for one.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: our[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Yes, I would start with that immediately,Jon[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: probably two bills regarding Guild and Civil Service,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: yes![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: one regarding the government's commitment to CN, since, as you know, i suspect that it'll get delayed "forever".[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: And get moving on the festival.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: And yes[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: that can actually be announced soon :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: perhaps with a working draft just with topics that would be discussed[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: the bill on CN should set target dates for purchase of the sim, other key milestones and grand opening and moving in of new citizens[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: very open... posts on forums, interview on the Democrat[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: and perhaps the topic for the next CSDF meeting as well[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: So 1. Guild, 2. Civil Serice, and 3. Commit to CN[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: "Citizens, Join The Planning Festival Now!"[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][i:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Jon[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Cool![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Hmm[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Should we do a request to the LRA to open a thread for submitting bills?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: Can't we just post in 'legislative discusion'?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Well, as per the RA procedures, the LRA is supposed to gather the agenda for the next meeting[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: and we'll have all sorts of festivities and formalities as well hehe[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Oh, Moon has just told me that she has been having severe difficulties with her SL client[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: she's not offline, and reading things, but can't scroll back on history[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: more or less back[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: :([/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: aaah[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: welcome![/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][i:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami wants to know (not now but by the end of the meeting) why Gwyn's left arm is sticking straight out to one side[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: yes, losing a bit of discussion[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][i:3686palu]Jon Seattle smiles brightly at Moon[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: wb moon[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Better now, Pat? :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: yes :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: can't open the chat history window more, it blocks my SL client when i try to do that[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: hehe that happens, the sim is loosing track of positioning data apparently[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: k, we need to decide who's going to do what[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: i\m not sure i can volunteer for much more.... plate feeling full already[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: I will work with Moon on the three bill proposals. Moon, alright?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: hmmm, list the tasks please?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ah, of course![/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: and website, lol[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Yes, and the web site.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][i:3686palu]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: 1) three bills for next RA 2) initiate planning festival on the forums[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: We will pass the bill language via email for people to review.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Ok on that.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: 3) other ideas we discussed earlier i,.e csdf website[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: hi eggy[/color:3686palu]
[color=DimGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Eggy Lippmann[/b:3686palu]: hi guys[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Hello, stalker :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Hi Eggy :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: wheee Eggy[/color:3686palu]
[color=DimGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Eggy Lippmann[/b:3686palu]: i may need to steal moon away from you in ten minutes :S[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: How much are you willing to pay? :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ah, did you dsend that it then?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: should be okay, i think we need to wrap up in ten :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][i:3686palu]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Contributions to the CSDF are most welcome :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: that them*[/color:3686palu]
[color=DimGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Eggy Lippmann[/b:3686palu]: yeah i just sent it. meeting is at 11[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: kk[/color:3686palu]
[color=DimGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Eggy Lippmann[/b:3686palu]: sorry to interrupt :S[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: i didn't know we were attending it lol[/color:3686palu]
[color=DimGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Eggy Lippmann[/b:3686palu]: ill leave you alone :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok...[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: so... hmmm[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: all done?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: still need takers for 2)?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Well, someone will need to organize the festival.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ah[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: sorry[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: I think we do not have anyone right now to do it.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Perhaps we can wait for a week or so?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Hm. Well, why not?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: could we suggest that the RA initiate it? if they refuse, we do it anyway?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: so another bill?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Oh, I think we should just go ahead assuming we have the authority..[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: We can address it at the next CSDF meeting anyway, the one next Thursday, and see if anyone wants to pick it.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: it is an dea indeed[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Ah hmm[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: WELL....[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok, another idea[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: There is a terrible problem of rpecedent :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: If it goes as a bill,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: and the bill does not pass,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: then you've got a problem![/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: exactly[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Technically, it can be interpreted as citizens NOT being allowed to do a planning festival :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: And if someone complains to the SC, hmm[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: but surely as a group we can sponsor events?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Wellllll murky waters lieth ahead :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: i think that's a step too far gwyn :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Now that's more reasonable, Moon![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: I know, Pat.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: even if the RA stops it?[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: But certainly the citizens would frown upon doing something "in defiance" of the RA's will.[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: and imagine what would people say if teh RA stopped this bill...[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: I think we should use what comes out of the festival for our action, not the festival itself.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Oh! they would simply say that the RA thinks that the const. discussion should be done in a different way.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: No, the RA would not allow it to go forward I think.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: it would just mean that the RA had *not* sponsored it. the RA does not hve the vires (authority) to prevent a citizens' group from practicing free speech[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: hehe yes yes,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: but there is also the matter of public opinion ;)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: The real question here will be the status of the proposals that come out of the festival[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: I want to leave the status undefined[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: so we shd just do ti anyway and not seek RA blessing for it?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: well, i think neurons moving is always a good idea[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][i:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with all that Jon says.[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Indeed, Pat.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: yes[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: ok, i agree with you[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: You see, Pat, the planning festival IS one of the CSDF's proposals for the way the government should be run,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: and the majority at the RA could simply vote it out,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: true, v true[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: On the other hand, planning, discussing, meeting...[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: ... and proposing a good, solid, fundamented bill,[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: with participation from everyone interested[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: everyone, i must go and meet Eggy now[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: wellllll that would hopefully make the majority at the RA think "well, if the citizens LIKE the idea, perhaps we should insititutionalise it?"[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: ... is more difficult to vote down - Gwyn = Machiavelli[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: lol Pat :D[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: hehe[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: lol[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: See you and thanks Moon![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: But yes, indeed.[/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Bye bye for now, Moon![/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: bye moon. ty[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkRed:3686palu][b:3686palu]Ranma Tardis[/b:3686palu]: bye[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: are we at an end now?[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3686palu][b:3686palu]Moon Adamant[/b:3686palu]: have fun guys :) and thanks for a great meeting :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: bye ranma[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Bye Ranma[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkRed:3686palu][b:3686palu]Ranma Tardis[/b:3686palu]: bye pat[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][i:3686palu]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: See you Ranma :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=DarkRed:3686palu][b:3686palu]Ranma Tardis[/b:3686palu]: see you Jon[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: i'll post details of next GM and our open pre-RA meeting on the forums[/color:3686palu]
[color=Navy:3686palu][b:3686palu]Patroklus Murakami[/b:3686palu]: good meeting :)[/color:3686palu]
[color=Olive:3686palu][b:3686palu]Jon Seattle[/b:3686palu]: Great! Thanks!![/color:3686palu]
[color=Indigo:3686palu][b:3686palu]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3686palu]: Aye, long, but productive![/color:3686palu]
[color=Red:3686palu][i:3686palu]The meeting closed at 11:2 Linden time.[/i:3686palu][/color:3686palu]
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