[10:36] Rosie Gray: okay let's call this meeting to order
[10:36] Tori Landau: Hi Agatha °͜°
[10:36] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[10:36] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?p=51849#p51849
[10:36] Rosie Gray: Agenda there
[10:36] Sudane Erato: I can tell you anything youi need to know 
[10:36] Lilith Ivory: great Sudane
[10:37] Sudane Erato: I move we approve the agenda
[10:37] Rosie Gray: thanks
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:37] Rosie Gray: thank you
[10:37] Rosie Gray: vote
[10:37] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:37] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:37] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:37] Rosie Gray: motion carries
[10:37] Rosie Gray: and the previous meeting Minutes
[10:37] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?t=10526
[10:37] Rosie Gray: a stellar job by Ms. Ivory
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: HI Moon
[10:37] Rosie Gray: hi Moon
[10:38] Sudane Erato: I move we approve
[10:38] Rosie Gray: I second
[10:38] Moon Adamant: hello all ㋡
[10:38] Rosie Gray: vote
[10:38] Almut Brunswick: aye
[10:38] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:38] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:38] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:38] Rosie Gray: motion carries
[10:39] Rosie Gray: now we have finished with the Locus Amoenus covenent review and it has gone to RA
[10:39] Rosie Gray: so, item 3.2 General Covenant
[10:39] Sudane Erato: yay!
[10:39] Rosie Gray: yay indeed! hehe
[10:39] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?t=10515
[10:40] Rosie Gray: who wants to talk about the General Covenants?
[10:40] Sudane Erato: so just the 3 hi lighted changes?
[10:40] Almut Brunswick: Or also Brian's comment?
[10:40] Rosie Gray: and we voted last time to add: General Rules
12) Sound tab on About Land settings: Media: Restrict MOAP to this parcel MUST be selected.
[10:40] Sudane Erato: thats one of the 3
[10:41] Rosie Gray: oh so it is 
[10:41] Rosie Gray: so yes I guess Brian's comment
[10:41] Rosie Gray: For the section about Building Approval, it might be worth broadening the approval to the Chancellor or their designee, provided they are a member of the Executive Branch. Additionally, it seems that there should be an appeal mechanism specified if the Chancellor declined a particular structure. Rough proposal is in bold, below. Then again, perhaps this is overkill... open to suggestions
"1. All public and private buildings in the CDS regions require approval by the Chancellor (or their designee, provided they area member of the Executive branch). The Chancellor can request an opinion from the CDS Artisan Guild. In the event that the Chancellor (or their designee) declines approval of a building, the owner may petition the [ Artisan Guild? SC? ] to review and adjudicate. See specific Regional Covenants below."
[10:41] Moon Adamant: thanks to Brian for pointing this
[10:42] Rosie Gray: thoughts?
[10:42] Moon Adamant: i have a question
[10:42] Moon Adamant: atm, we have an approval process in place. What is the appeal in the process atm? (maybe we can build from it)
[10:43] Rosie Gray: I don't think there's anything specifically written down
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: as far as I know any citizen can send a petition about anything to the SC
[10:43] Rosie Gray: right
[10:43] Moon Adamant: i can't recall either
[10:43] Rosie Gray: and of course if a person disagrees they could just discuss with the Chancellor
[10:43] Moon Adamant: so the appeal goes to SC?
[10:44] Almut Brunswick: and I wonder why the SC is here in the process
[10:44] Almut Brunswick: or should be
[10:44] Moon Adamant: well, we need checks somewhere
[10:44] Lilith Ivory: as I said: any citizen can send a petition about anything to the SC
[10:44] Rosie Gray nods
[10:45] Moon Adamant: if teh Exec can consult with Guild, then Guild can't be the appeal
[10:45] Almut Brunswick: Ok, that makes sense
[10:45] Sudane Erato: no, the Guild can't be the final say
[10:45] Sudane Erato: we are advisory
[10:45] Almut Brunswick: and the RA?
[10:45] Rosie Gray: I thought that the Chancellor was usually the final say in these matters
[10:46] Almut Brunswick: It could be brought up as a Citizen's Concern
[10:46] Rosie Gray nods
[10:46] Sudane Erato: the RA passes laws, right? It shouldn't be making executive decisions?
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: well if the chancellor is not a builder but a yerk there can be a petition
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Sudane
[10:46] Rosie Gray: I agree with that too
[10:46] Sudane Erato: a yerk?
[10:46] Almut Brunswick: We do not make executive decisions here, but we could help to find a solution as a neutral party
[10:46] Sudane Erato:
[10:47] Lilith Ivory: jerk, idiot, caesar ....
[10:47] Rosie Gray:
[10:47] Sudane Erato: oh!!!
[10:47] Moon Adamant: I favour the DC as an appeal, as the right to petition is established
[10:47] Moon Adamant: the SC*
[10:47] Moon Adamant: mind that the SC can decide to send the decision back to Exec
[10:47] Lilith Ivory: I already wondered why the RA has portal modification on the agenda lol
[10:47] Sudane Erato: Moon, that FEELS right to me... but i'm not good at government
[10:48] Rosie Gray: what about the other comment of Brian's about adding the Chancellor's 'designee' provided they are a member of the Exec Branch?
[10:48] Lilith Ivory: the SC is experienced in sticking strictly to the covenant rules when looking at a petition
[10:48] Moon Adamant: I think that's also vouchsafed, the Exec can delegate
[10:48] Almut Brunswick: I don't quite understand, Lilith. What do you mean with "portal modification on the agenda"?
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: sorry but this is out of topic now - I apologize for my comment
[10:50] Rosie Gray: yes I think that the Chancellor can delegate... do we need to say that in the covenant?
[10:50] Moon Adamant: is it in legislation?
[10:50] Almut Brunswick: I would say yes
[10:50] Lilith Ivory: perhaps we should so a citizen knows someone else can inspect a building too
[10:50] Moon Adamant: or we can leave it for the RA and SC to find if it is
[10:51] Lilith Ivory: good idea Moon
[10:51] Almut Brunswick: For the sake of transparency, define it in the covenants
[10:51] Rosie Gray: might be easiest for people if it is defined
[10:52] Moon Adamant: mind you, it's not lengthy to write 'The Chancellor or their designee"
[10:52] Rosie Gray: exactly
[10:52] Almut Brunswick: Refrain from any sort of fog shooting. The covenant topic is complex enough especially for new citizens
[10:52] Moon Adamant: so I agree with Almut and Rosie
[10:52] Moon Adamant: RA and SC can check how those delegations go, I am guessing
[10:53] Rosie Gray: and really, if someone gets so upset about the Chancellor or designee asking them to change their building because it doesn't fit the covenant... and they want to argue about it, then they can find out more about the rules of CDS
[10:53] Rosie Gray: in my opinion 
[10:53] Almut Brunswick: Right
[10:53] Moon Adamant: eheheh yes
[10:53] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[10:54] Rosie Gray: it's not like it's been a huge problem
[10:55] Rosie Gray: so are we in agreement to add 'Chancellor or designee'?
[10:55] Almut Brunswick: Nods
[10:55] Sudane Erato: fine w me
[10:55] Moon Adamant: yes
[10:55] Lilith Ivory: yes
[10:55] Rosie Gray: anything else to discuss about the General Covenants?
[10:56] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:56] Sudane Erato: so the changes are just the 3 hi lighted texts
[10:56] Sudane Erato: right?
[10:56] Rosie Gray: so if not, shall we make a motion to send the General Covenants, with the inclusion of 'Chancellor or designee', to the RA for review?
[10:57] Moon Adamant: and the SC appeal?
[10:57] Sudane Erato: i so move
[10:57] Bromo Ivory is online.
[10:57] Rosie Gray: not the SC appeal, I thought
[10:57] Almut Brunswick whispers: Not for me. As I stated in my latest Forum post, the 'how to' instruction may be added to the New Citizen's Guide, but this won
[10:57] Moon Adamant: want to kick it to RA?
[10:57] Almut Brunswick: 't affect the wording of the General Covenant
[10:58] Rosie Gray nods
[10:58] Rosie Gray: okay so Sudane has made the motion
[10:58] Rosie Gray: do we have a second?
[10:58] Almut Brunswick: Second
[10:58] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:58] Rosie Gray: thanks Almut
[10:58] Rosie Gray: let's vote
[10:58] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:58] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:58] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[10:58] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:58] Rosie Gray: motion carries
[10:58] Rosie Gray: yay!
[10:58] Moon Adamant: aye, if the appeal question is sent to RA to solve
[10:59] Almut Brunswick: Something for tomorrow
[10:59] Rosie Gray: thanks all, these took some time but are a big improvement!
[10:59] Rosie Gray: 3.3. Colonia Nova review of Moon’s plan (Moon)
tabled for next time
[11:00] Sudane Erato: does that mean now?
[11:00] Rosie Gray: let's hope we can do this item next time, with enough time
[11:00] Rosie Gray: Moon wanted to table this until next meeting, Sudane
[11:00] Sudane Erato: ahh... ok
[11:00] Rosie Gray: 3.4. Historical signs (Rosie)
[11:01] Rosie Gray: I'm plugging away at these... put up another one in CN, on the forum
[11:01] Rosie Gray: and one in Monastery
[11:01] Sudane Erato: I love the sample one here
[11:01] Rosie Gray: thanks ㋡
[11:01] Moon Adamant: I am really sorry, but I should leave for a class now
[11:01] Rosie Gray: okay, bye then Moon
[11:01] Agatha Macbeth: Happy blending Moonie
[11:01] Moon Adamant: cheers and thanks ㋡
[11:01] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:01] Moon Adamant: waves and poofs
[11:02] Rosie Gray: darn, wish these things didn't conflict 
[11:02] Agatha Macbeth was just talking to Szavanna about it
[11:02] Lilith Ivory: yea
[11:02] Sudane Erato: i was wondering who had to leave for Mizou's class
[11:02] Rosie Gray: about what, Agatha?
[11:02] Agatha Macbeth: Mizou's class
[11:02] Rosie Gray: aah
[11:03] Rosie Gray: 3.5 Request to the Scientific Council to move the guild forums to the correct place*******
[11:03] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:03] Rosie Gray: we can strike this item as being accomplished, finally!
[11:03] Sudane Erato: oh!... it happened??
[11:03] Almut Brunswick: Yes, I saw it today that it has really happened.
[11:03] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:03] Lilith Ivory: Calli has sent me an email today she tried to move the form three times but due to techical problems it snapped back the first two time
[11:03] Lilith Ivory: now It is where it belongs
[11:04] Rosie Gray: why would it snap back?
[11:04] Lilith Ivory: technical problems
[11:04] Sudane Erato: you'll have to ask Gwyn
[11:04] Rosie Gray: I mean.... is that a thing?
[11:04] Rosie Gray: lol
[11:04] Rosie Gray: okay well never mind, at least it's done
[11:04] Lilith Ivory: its the forum
[11:04] Lilith Ivory: odd things happen there sometimes
[11:04] Sudane Erato: its the dreaded snap-back bug
[11:04] Rosie Gray: 4) New Business:
4.1. Sim Improvements
[11:04] Rosie Gray: and yay, we can finally move on to some new things!
[11:05] Sudane Erato: yay!!
[11:05] Agatha Macbeth nods
[11:05] Agatha Macbeth: We were discussing that when I nwas in the LUC
[11:05] Rosie Gray: to be honest I'm not really sure what we need to say about sim improvements
[11:05] Rosie Gray: since they are all specific items
[11:06] Lilith Ivory: once Moon mentioned we should inspect placed items and decide if something needs to be renewed
[11:06] Sudane Erato: ys, the sim improvements are the following items
[11:06] Rosie Gray: oh... right I guess that was me mis-numbering then
[11:07] Rosie Gray: or an opportunity to bring up something that needs to be looked at?
[11:07] Rosie Gray: Agatha, did you have something about that you wanted to bring up?
[11:07] Agatha Macbeth: About what sorry?
[11:07] Sudane Erato: I think Moon's agenda is a sort of list of those things that need to be updated
[11:07] Rosie Gray: oh sorry I thought that's what you were commenting on
[11:08] Rosie Gray: aah... well this isn't Moon's agenda
[11:08] Agatha Macbeth: Nono, I meant the last subject
[11:08] Lilith Ivory: Agatha was a victim of forum oddities too
[11:08] Rosie Gray: oh okay
[11:08] Sudane Erato:
[11:08] Agatha Macbeth: Forum or against em
[11:08] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:09] Almut Brunswick: Do we have a sort of schedule which covenants will be revised when?
[11:09] Rosie Gray: perhaps we should start making systematic tours of the regions again and make notes of things to discuss updating?
[11:09] Almut Brunswick: Good point
[11:09] Almut Brunswick: And I would like to create overview maps for all covenants like we have for LA
[11:10] Rosie Gray: you mean for the parcels, Almut?
[11:10] Lilith Ivory: go for it Almut
[11:10] Almut Brunswick: Yes, parcels, landmarks etc. Following the template of LA
[11:10] Rosie Gray nods
[11:10] Almut Brunswick: All that eases orientation
[11:10] Rosie Gray: are you volunteering to do that?
[11:10] Sudane Erato: where do we have that for LA?
[11:11] Rosie Gray: it's on the wall behind Almut, Sudane
[11:11] Lilith Ivory: its in the LA covenant and behind you at the wall
[11:11] Almut Brunswick: I don't know how to do that
[11:11] Sudane Erato: oh!... that's Moon's map
[11:11] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:11] Lilith Ivory: modified by Lilith
[11:11] Sudane Erato: it was based on a Google Sheet map that I made for her to track the history of each parcels sales
[11:12] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[11:12] Sudane Erato: thats why it has the faint squares
[11:12] Rosie Gray: I agree that the parcels are easy to find that way, visually
[11:12] Sudane Erato: there's one for CN too
[11:12] Rosie Gray: NFS would be a bit trickier, wouldn't it?
[11:12] Sudane Erato: it WOULD
[11:12] Rosie Gray: being the oddly shaped parcels
[11:13] Sudane Erato: so many parcels
[11:13] Almut Brunswick: Well, then you all have much more experience with it than me, and oyu have the tools to do that. Would it be then logic to assign that task to me?
[11:13] Lilith Ivory: and before we can do CN the parcel modifications should be finished
[11:13] Rosie Gray: It's not something I want to do
[11:14] Rosie Gray: I'd rather go around making notes about things that could do with updating
[11:14] Sudane Erato: well, I can make the spreadsheet... initially
[11:15] Almut Brunswick: Sudane, I would imagine that as a collaborative effort
[11:15] Sudane Erato: and then I can share that and you guys can finalize the content
[11:15] Sudane Erato: Almut, exactly
[11:15] Almut Brunswick: So stating that one single person should do that is the same like it will never be done
[11:15] Sudane Erato: I'm trying to find the CN one
[11:16] Lilith Ivory: I still don't think it is wise to do CN now as it is still work in progress
[11:16] Almut Brunswick: Yes, maybe not starting with the most tricky one, because it would be too frustrating
[11:16] Almut Brunswick: Then let's save CN for later when the work will be finished
[11:16] Rosie Gray: how about starting with Monastery or Friedsee?
[11:17] Almut Brunswick: Yes, good idea
[11:17] Sudane Erato: here's the one for CN
[11:17] Sudane Erato:
[11:17] Sudane Erato: one for AM... not as far along
[11:17] Sudane Erato:
[11:17] Rosie Gray: oh so that's mostly done then
[11:18] Sudane Erato: MON and FDS would be easy
[11:18] Lilith Ivory: I can give Monastery and Friedsee a try
[11:18] Almut Brunswick: Great
[11:18] Sudane Erato: and NFS would be OK, but it would have to be huge in order to work
[11:19] Almut Brunswick: I remember that I once pestered Sudane because of a FDS map when I was in the LUC
[11:19] Sudane Erato: NFS is fundamentally not much diff than CN, with all the small city parcels
[11:19] Sudane Erato: it just has MANY parcels
[11:19] Rosie Gray: and their odd shapes
[11:20] Sudane Erato: well, odd shapes, yes
[11:20] Sudane Erato: but
[11:20] Sudane Erato: notice that ALL the maps show approx shapezsx
[11:20] Sudane Erato: shapes
[11:20] Sudane Erato: thats a necessary compromise to make this work
[11:20] Rosie Gray nods
[11:21] Lilith Ivory: I reworked LA in indesign and just left those off
[11:21] Sudane Erato: left off parcels?
[11:21] Lilith Ivory: left of the numbers and letters
[11:22] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[11:22] Sudane Erato: ok, yes
[11:22] Sudane Erato: the intent of the original sheets was for $$ analysis
[11:22] Sudane Erato: while your intent is different, no?
[11:22] Lilith Ivory: those are very valuable
[11:23] Rosie Gray: oh you mean the spreadsheet column and lines numbers and letters... yes I see
[11:23] Almut Brunswick: I think they will be of multiple use
[11:23] Lilith Ivory: my intent was just to create a map so EMs and citizens can find parcels
[11:23] Rosie Gray: and added some nice colours, and the compass directions
[11:24] Rosie Gray: Almut, you could do that, couldn't you? for Alpine Meadow by just starting with the spreadsheet?
[11:24] Lilith Ivory: my colors have a different meaning than the one in the financial sheet
[11:24] Almut Brunswick: Ermm not really
[11:24] Almut Brunswick: I don't have inDesign
[11:24] Lilith Ivory: you can do it in any other software too
[11:24] Lilith Ivory: gimp or photoshop or paint software
[11:24] Rosie Gray: your colours are to show the zoning, right Lilith?
[11:25] Lilith Ivory: Sudane worked in Exel
[11:25] Rosie Gray: yes, any graphics program you could use
[11:25] Lilith Ivory: yes Rosie
[11:25] Sudane Erato: I used Google Sheets
[11:25] Sudane Erato: I don't understand Excel
[11:25] Sudane Erato: but
[11:25] Sudane Erato: the image can be exported to any image app
[11:26] Almut Brunswick: Like I said, I don't have any experience with coupling a spreadsheet with a visual representation
[11:26] Sudane Erato: I use PaintShop Pro... ancient
[11:26] Agatha Macbeth: Yay
[11:26] Sudane Erato: but Gimp is a free image app
[11:26] Rosie Gray: that's a great program, Sudane
[11:26] Rosie Gray: it's how you would learn, Almut!
[11:26] Lilith Ivory: most knowledge in SL and RL I gained by "Learning by doing"
[11:26] Rosie Gray: me too ㋡
[11:27] Rosie Gray: but if you don't want to, that's okay
[11:27] Almut Brunswick: I would have to learn all myself and you have already that knowledge. At least, I would appreciate some guidance.
[11:28] Almut Brunswick: In any case, it would make most sense to agree on a format that could be edited by more than one person. E. g. Gimp
[11:28] Lilith Ivory: in this case I am out
[11:28] Lilith Ivory: I don't use gimp
[11:28] Rosie Gray: they can be imported and exported into most programs
[11:28] Almut Brunswick: me too, because I don't use Gimp either. At least not yet.
[11:29] Rosie Gray: I don't use Gimp, but I have
[11:29] Sudane Erato: I only mention Gimp cause its free
[11:29] Lilith Ivory: I would prefer to be able to do my work in a way I want to do it
[11:29] Lilith Ivory: my end result is a pdf file
[11:29] Sudane Erato: PhotoShop is the standard, and it costs a FORTUNE
[11:29] Rosie Gray: I have a REALLY old Photoshop from being a student, but it still works fine
[11:29] Sudane Erato: (and I despise Adobe)
[11:30] Lilith Ivory: I am a slave of Adobe lol
[11:30] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:30] Rosie Gray: anyway, we are off topic!
[11:30] Rosie Gray bangs the gavel
[11:30] Almut Brunswick: Yes, Sudane, and that is my reason for looking for non-proprietary alternatives.
[11:30] Sudane Erato: hehe ))
[11:30] Lilith Ivory: can we agree I do FS and Monastery in a way I want?
[11:30] Sudane Erato: sure!!
[11:30] Almut Brunswick: Sure
[11:30] Lilith Ivory: and give the result as pdf file?
[11:30] Rosie Gray: sure!
[11:31] Sudane Erato: Lil, no... generate an image file
[11:31] Rosie Gray: and we can have this on the next Agenda
[11:31] Sudane Erato: cause if you need to make alterations
[11:31] Almut Brunswick: Good idea, Rosie
[11:31] Rosie Gray: you can export from a pdf to image, Sudane
[11:31] Sudane Erato: a PDF is really hard to back out of
[11:31] Lilith Ivory: yea I always save a file with layers for me
[11:31] Sudane Erato: Rosie, you can
[11:31] Almut Brunswick: You would loose all layers
[11:32] Rosie Gray: no you don't lose layers if you keep the vectors
[11:32] Sudane Erato: but the quality is poor... better to keep the exchange file in some nice image file
[11:32] Almut Brunswick: Anyway, let's table it for now, I suggest
[11:32] Sudane Erato: you can always make PDFs
[11:33] Rosie Gray: I think this is a matter of preferred workflow, which is affected by the programs you are used to using
[11:33] Lilith Ivory: exactly Rosie
[11:33] Sudane Erato: yeah
[11:33] Rosie Gray: so let's move on to item 3.4
[11:33] Almut Brunswick: I fully understand this, but the disadvantage is that just the original editor will be able to apply changes in the future
[11:33] Almut Brunswick: Nods. 3.4
[11:34] Rosie Gray: sorry meant 4.2
[11:34] Rosie Gray: Staging of parcels
[11:34] Almut Brunswick: even better
[11:34] Rosie Gray:
[11:34] Sudane Erato:
[11:34] Rosie Gray: too bad Tor isn't here
[11:34] Sudane Erato: we should encourage staging of parcels
[11:34] Sudane Erato: they sell much better
[11:34] Lilith Ivory: but we have to be careful so the parcel does not look owned
[11:34] Rosie Gray: yes, but not make them look so full that people think they aren't occupied
[11:35] Rosie Gray: or 'are' occupied, I meant
[11:35] Lilith Ivory: we sold another house boat parcel after the stagging was removed
[11:35] Sudane Erato: thats never been a problem in New England!!
[11:35] Rosie Gray: it has been here with those houseboats
[11:35] Sudane Erato: oh... the houseboats
[11:35] Rosie Gray: and I notice that some staging inside houses is rather elaborate too
[11:35] Rosie Gray: they look fully occupied
[11:35] Sudane Erato: but on land... the parcels should be staged i think
[11:36] Lilith Ivory: at least with so me trees
[11:36] Sudane Erato: oh... no need for things inside the house
[11:36] Rosie Gray: I think they should look nice so as to tempt the imagination
[11:36] Sudane Erato: it should be empty
[11:36] Sudane Erato: Rosie, exactly
[11:36] Sudane Erato: and a LOT of people will use the staged house
[11:37] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:37] Rosie Gray: do you think we need to worry that some people may not realize where they are allowed to remove the building?
[11:37] Tori Landau: About the houses... a friend of mine came to look at the house on Neufreistadt that was for sale, I gave her the slurl... she thought it was occupied and by the time I told her it wasn't someone else came along and bought it.
[11:37] Agatha Macbeth: >.<
[11:38] Sudane Erato: Tori, the tierbox shows its for sale
[11:38] Sudane Erato: and the map shows yellow
[11:38] Lilith Ivory: I thihnk it can be tricky for people to find out which houses can be removed and which not
[11:38] Rosie Gray: which house was that, Lilith?
[11:38] Sudane Erato: I don't know how much more we can do
[11:38] Rosie Gray: sorry, Tori
[11:38] Rosie Gray: which house?
[11:38] Tori Landau: the one on Disord beside the park
[11:39] Lilith Ivory: I was speaking in general
[11:39] Rosie Gray: oh that is one I was thinking about too
[11:39] Rosie Gray: it's really full and looks well occupied, even though it was for sale and parcel yellow
[11:39] Sudane Erato: most of the houses within the walls are now anchored
[11:40] Rosie Gray: I wast thinking that a sign on a parcel with a staged house... or even elaborate gardens or whatever, could say that they can be removed if the purchaser doesn't want them
[11:40] Sudane Erato: we could add a placard next to For Sale tierboxes saying that this house is anchored
[11:41] Rosie Gray: personally I think it's the unanchored ones that are a concern
[11:41] Lilith Ivory: right
[11:41] Sudane Erato: i see
[11:41] Rosie Gray: that people might not know they don't need to keep them
[11:41] Sudane Erato: But really... a LOT of people don't want to have to deal with finding a suitable house
[11:41] Sudane Erato: LOTS
[11:42] Rosie Gray nods
[11:42] Lilith Ivory: yes but there is always the ossibility that they don't like the house on the parcel
[11:42] Sudane Erato: many people in New England even ask me if they would be allowed to keep the staged house
[11:42] Sudane Erato: Lil, yes
[11:42] Sudane Erato: of course
[11:42] Rosie Gray: so some kind of sign could clarify this
[11:43] Sudane Erato: agreed
[11:43] Rosie Gray: "Keep this house and use it, or return it and use your own"
[11:43] Tori Landau: Exactly °͜°
[11:43] Sudane Erato: or that message can be added to the tierbox?
[11:43] Sudane Erato: when its touched
[11:43] Sudane Erato: or added to the tierbox For Sale tex
[11:43] Rosie Gray: could do but seems like a lot of people don't pay attention to those messages
[11:44] Sudane Erato: ok
[11:44] Rosie Gray: and also, trying to keep up with it since the staged houses come and go
[11:44] Lilith Ivory: and I don't touch the tierbox untill I have decided to buy the parcel
[11:44] Sudane Erato: we DO have that blue and brown placard that is sometimes placed on For Sale parcels
[11:44] Rosie Gray: right
[11:45] Sudane Erato: but I would definitely leave the staged houses empty... no stuff inside
[11:45] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[11:45] Rosie Gray: I would too
[11:45] Sudane Erato: has to look like ready to move in!
[11:46] Rosie Gray: but there are houses that have been filled up... as Tori points out
[11:46] Sudane Erato: you mean by previous owners?
[11:46] Rosie Gray: no
[11:46] Rosie Gray: mostly by Delia ㋡
[11:46] Sudane Erato: their stuff should get returned
[11:46] Lilith Ivory: or ask Delia to pick it up
[11:46] Sudane Erato: oh, then we need to instruct Delia
[11:46] Lilith Ivory: she HATES getting stuff returned
[11:47] Rosie Gray: indeed
[11:47] Sudane Erato: Delia will listen to our requests
[11:47] Sudane Erato: yes, she does
[11:47] Rosie Gray: in my view, if you put things out as staging, then you should expect that at some point it will be returned to you unannounced
[11:47] Sudane Erato: Rosie, i totally agree
[11:47] Lilith Ivory: yea thats true of course
[11:47] Tori Landau: Yes, it was Delia's items in the house beside the park °͜°
[11:48] Rosie Gray: so are we agreed to make a recommendation not to put staging INSIDE houses, but that parcels without buildings or landscaping should have something nice on them?
[11:49] Sudane Erato: I agree with that
[11:49] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[11:49] Rosie Gray: Tori and Agatha, what do you think?
[11:49] Rosie Gray: and Almut
[11:50] Sudane Erato: Rosie, you might add the suggestion about the estra sign
[11:50] Rosie Gray: oh yes, and that too thanks Sudane
[11:50] Tori Landau: I think that is a good idea, however, not too much on the parcels... I have to admit that when I came to look around if there was a house or a caravan on the land I too thought it was therefore taken
[11:50] Agatha Macbeth: I don't really know what staging means ;p
[11:51] Rosie Gray nods at Tori
[11:51] Lilith Ivory: looks like an additional sign is important
[11:51] Sudane Erato: Agatha, staging is just putting a house on the parcel so the potential buyer can imagine what it would look like to be tthere
[11:51] Tori Landau: when it was just trees etc it was more obvious
[11:51] Agatha Macbeth: Oh
[11:52] Sudane Erato: they do this in RL... in apartments at least
[11:52] Rosie Gray: it's a term that comes from real estate sales I think
[11:52] Rosie Gray: yes, and houses
[11:52] Tori Landau: ah ok
[11:52] Sudane Erato: not on land parcels of course
[11:52] Lilith Ivory giggles imagining staggin in RL
[11:52] Rosie Gray: I think some signage seems pretty important
[11:52] Rosie Gray: oh it's done all the time here, Lilith
[11:53] Rosie Gray: people are even professional 'stagers'
[11:53] Sudane Erato: hehe... yes... but its important in apartment sales, or if you are selling a RL house... you stage the insides
[11:53] Lilith Ivory: here when renting a new appartment you have to try hard to imagine the place without the crappy ole furniture of the owner before
[11:53] Rosie Gray: they'll come in and make kyou remove all your personal trinkets and photos and paint your walls offwhite
[11:53] Sudane Erato: Rosie, yes
[11:54] Agatha Macbeth: Would it not be best if a house is cleared before it's put up for sale then>
[11:54] Sudane Erato: for exactly the reason Lil syas
[11:54] Agatha Macbeth: ?
[11:54] Sudane Erato: people have NO IMAGINATION
[11:54] Rosie Gray: indeed
[11:54] Agatha Macbeth has way too much
[11:54] Rosie Gray: hehe
[11:54] Tori Landau: wow, that doesn't happen here and if a place is empty it is left empty with the selling point of being able to move immediately
[11:54] Tori Landau: I've only seen it done with show homes on a new development
[11:54] Rosie Gray: ah, so an interesting cultural difference!
[11:55] Sudane Erato: in RL staging is inside... in SL the staging is just the house and landscaping
[11:55] Lilith Ivory: here real estate guys want to find another renter before the old renter has finally moved out
[11:56] Sudane Erato: If anyone would like examples in SL, pl,lease visit New England and look at our parcels for sale
[11:56] Rosie Gray: perhaps we need someone to make a standard sign then?
[11:56] Tori Landau: may I have a LM please Sudane
[11:56] Sudane Erato: Rosie, can we redo that existing placard?
[11:56] Rosie Gray: you mean the for sale one? yes absolutely
[11:57] Sudane Erato: thats it... yeah
[11:57] Sudane Erato: just needs a new graphic
[11:58] Rosie Gray: please everyone take a copy of it
[11:58] Rosie Gray: it's full perm
[11:58] Sudane Erato: should we add a link into it?
[11:58] Rosie Gray: or whoever wants to make the sign? Sudane?
[11:58] Lilith Ivory: a link to what?
[12:00] Sudane Erato: If we can decide on the text, i can make the sign... sure
[12:00] Sudane Erato: I'm not the best graphics person, but i can do it
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: ah the blue one is no mod
[12:00] Sudane Erato: a link to whatever... our website maybe?
[12:01] Rosie Gray: I've got them all from 2015
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: if we agree on the text I can do the writing
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: its just a texture to be placed on the sigh right?
[12:03] Rosie Gray: okay I've given the signs to Sudane and Lilith
[12:03] Second Life: Rosie Gray gave you CDS For Sale Sign - Full Perm.
[12:03] Second Life: Rosie Gray gave you CDS For Sale Sign - Locus Amoenus specific Feb/16.
[12:03] Sudane Erato: Lil, yes
[12:03] Rosie Gray: yes... there's even a chalkboard texture inside of it you can use as a background
[12:03] Rosie Gray: if you want to
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: one is still no mod for me
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: the LA one
[12:04] Rosie Gray: that's just the covenant notecard
[12:04] Sudane Erato: Feb 16 says no mod
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: ah ok
[12:04] Rosie Gray: and a note to read
[12:04] Sudane Erato: yeah
[12:04] Rosie Gray: rest is full perm
[12:04] Sudane Erato: yep... mine is fp
[12:05] Agatha Macbeth: RL calls, be well all
[12:05] Rosie Gray: yes, that one is just the notecards no mod
[12:05] Rosie Gray: by Agatha!
[12:05] Sudane Erato: bye!!
[12:05] Tori Landau: I have to go, hugs. Anjoux is replacing Alex Rocker tomorrow who isn't able to perform so I need to make some modifications to my set and 'stitch' Anj's set and mine together... 3 sets in total tomorrow... we'll need strong tea and coffee.
[12:05] Rosie Gray: poof, she is fast
[12:05] Almut Brunswick is looking at th etime
[12:05] Rosie Gray: oh you are busy, Tori!
[12:05] Rosie Gray: bye now and thanks for coming
[12:05] Sudane Erato: I have to go too
[12:05] Tori Landau: Hugs!
[12:06] Sudane Erato: bye!!
[12:06] Tori Landau is offline.
[12:06] Rosie Gray: so we have some small assignments for signage for next time
[12:06] Rosie Gray: and maps ㋡
[12:06] Sudane Erato: So Lil, will you do the sign?
[12:06] Rosie Gray: and we can table the rest of the items
[12:06] Sudane Erato: or should I?
[12:07] Sudane Erato: we need text
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: I can make a draft of the text
[12:07] Rosie Gray: sounds good
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: and do the photoshop after we agree on it
[12:07] Sudane Erato: that would be greayt\
[12:07] Rosie Gray: try to keep it simple ㋡
[12:07] Rosie Gray: people hate to read!
[12:07] Sudane Erato: ok great!
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: yea lol
[12:07] Rosie Gray: thanks Lilith ㋡
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: perhaps I try picture language
[12:08] Sudane Erato: ty!!
[12:08] Sudane Erato: oh!
[12:08] Rosie Gray: shall we pick a next date?
[12:08] Sudane Erato: yes!
[12:08] Almut Brunswick: yes
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: sure
[12:08] Rosie Gray: I'm going to be out of town until March, but of course you can meet without me
[12:09] Sudane Erato: every 2 weeks is a bit much, no?
[12:09] Sudane Erato: so lets wait til March
[12:09] Almut Brunswick: I do agree
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: we should pick a date when Moon is able to speak on her topic
[12:09] Rosie Gray: right
[12:09] Sudane Erato: she's usually available
[12:09] Rosie Gray: there's nothing on the calendar for March 9 or 10
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: but not at saturdays at this time as it seems
[12:10] Sudane Erato: she's in world almost all the time!
[12:10] Sudane Erato: she went to Mizou's class
[12:10] Sudane Erato: so we should not be at that time
[12:10] Rosie Gray: yes... do we know if Mizou's classes will always be at this time?
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: so we need to pick a time that does not conflict with Mizou
[12:10] Rosie Gray: there's nothing on the calendar
[12:10] Sudane Erato: negotiate with Mizou
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: right
[12:11] Rosie Gray: well we could pick Sunday if that works?
[12:11] Sudane Erato: is Mizou every week?
[12:11] Almut Brunswick: I should mention that Mizou is generally willing to repeat her classes for AG members at a more suitable time. This is something we should have said to Moon
[12:11] Sudane Erato: Sunday is not as good for me.... I usually have meetings from 10 to 1
[12:11] Rosie Gray nods
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: poor Sudane
[12:12] Sudane Erato: shrug
[12:12] Rosie Gray: it's pretty hard to find a time that doesn't conflict with something
[12:12] Sudane Erato: life = meetings
[12:12] Rosie Gray: lol
[12:12] Almut Brunswick: I always miss my scripting class on Sundays, so even the RA meetings on Sunday are not really optimal.
[12:12] Sudane Erato:
[12:12] Rosie Gray nods
[12:12] Rosie Gray: so Saturdays are still best?
[12:12] Almut Brunswick: Yes
[12:12] Sudane Erato: they are for me
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: we should ask Moon what works for her
[12:13] Almut Brunswick: Right
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: if we want her to speak
[12:13] Rosie Gray: I could do a little earlier, but not too much
[12:13] Sudane Erato: if Mizou is not every week at this time, why not schedule in between?
[12:13] Rosie Gray: don't know if she is or isn't
[12:13] Sudane Erato: ok
[12:13] Almut Brunswick: And like I said: Mizou's class doesn't need to be an "excuse" anymore
[12:13] Rosie Gray: and probably can't ask right now since she's teaching a class
[12:14] Almut Brunswick: I assume Mizou will teach every Saturday at that time
[12:14] Rosie Gray: I will try asking her right now
[12:14] Almut Brunswick: at least as long as a series goes
[12:14] Almut Brunswick: The class should be over now
[12:15] Rosie Gray: she says yes they are always on Saturdays at the same time
[12:15] Rosie Gray: every week
[12:15] Rosie Gray sighs
[12:15] Sudane Erato: oh well
[12:16] Rosie Gray: I can come a little earlier if that's helpful
[12:16] Rosie Gray: 10:00 slt?
[12:16] Sudane Erato: works fine w me
[12:16] Almut Brunswick: So easy thing: We will ask Mizou for repeating the class, so that all members (but Mizou) can participate on the AG meetings.
[12:16] Rosie Gray: but Mizou wants to come to these meetings too
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: 10:00 works for me
[12:17] Almut Brunswick: Well, one thing is just possible
[12:17] Rosie Gray: would 10:00 am slt be okay for you, Almut?
[12:17] Almut Brunswick: and she told me that some people are already showing up 2 hours before the class and want to ask questions.
[12:17] Rosie Gray sighs again
[12:18] Almut Brunswick: 10 AM is ok for me, but does not solve the conflict
[12:18] Rosie Gray: she also has Rain teaching
[12:18] Rosie Gray: it's an hour earlier, so it might be okay
[12:18] Almut Brunswick: that is my main "sigh", to be honest
[12:19] Rosie Gray: well... what do you want to do?
[12:19] Almut Brunswick: We shouldn't take care of Mizou. She always knew about our usual dates.
[12:20] Rosie Gray: well I vote for Saturday March 9th at 10:00 am slt
[12:20] Sudane Erato: I guess I kind of have to agree with Almut
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: me too
[12:20] Almut Brunswick: Me too.
[12:20] Sudane Erato: that time is good for me Rosie
[12:20] Rosie Gray: I told her she needs to put her classes on the CDS calendar too
[12:20] Almut Brunswick: Mizou can inform herself in the Forum and state her opinions there.
[12:21] Almut Brunswick: Yes, and now we see the classes conflicting with the AG and RA meetings...
[12:21] Almut Brunswick: Everybody needs to set his or her priorities...
[12:21] Rosie Gray: well I agree not everything can be accommodated
[12:21] Rosie Gray: and yes, priorities!
[12:22] Rosie Gray: so... March 9 at 10:00 am slt?
[12:22] Sudane Erato: yes!!!
[12:22] Almut Brunswick: Ok for me
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: fine with me
[12:22] Sudane Erato: yay
[12:22] Rosie Gray: good
[12:22] Rosie Gray bangs the gavel again, happily
[12:22] Sudane Erato: and I must leave
[12:22] Almut Brunswick: hehe
[12:22] Rosie Gray: thanks all
[12:22] Rosie Gray: bye Sudane
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: bye Sudane
[12:22] Sudane Erato: ty!!!
[12:22] Almut Brunswick: Bye Sudane
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: are we adjourned?
[12:22] Almut Brunswick: Practically we are
[12:23] Lilith Ivory was asking Rosie
[12:23] Rosie Gray: meeting adjourned