LUC Meeting 10 September 2022 - Transcript

[Agatha Macbeth]

Lilith Ivory: I call this meeting to order
Sudane Erato: hehe
Lilith Ivory: the agenda is in the box
Sudane Erato: I move we approve the agenda
Lilith Ivory: do you all have it ?
Lilith Ivory: lol Moon
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Moon Adamant: yes
Moon Adamant: second
Lilith Ivory: I would like to add something to the agenda
Sudane Erato: kk
Moon Adamant: lol
Lilith Ivory: since Beila has not posted Minutes and transcript again I wanted to ask her as politely as possible if she wants to step back from that job ...
Sudane Erato: ok, sure
Moon Adamant nods
Lilith Ivory: but as she is not here I would suggest we just try to find a replacement as I think we depend on posted transcripts at least
Agatha Macbeth: She was having trouble posting I think
Lilith Ivory: yes I know. Me, Rosie and Moon have offered her help but she never came back to me
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Well if someone tells me where it needs to go I can do it
Lilith Ivory: aaww thank you
Lilith Ivory: it belongs in LUC announcements
Moon Adamant: I was going to volunteer too
Agatha Macbeth: Ok Moon...feel free :p
Lilith Ivory: I will give you posting rights right after this meeting
Moon Adamant: (but I am not very good at it myself :_D
Moon Adamant: oh Agatha, please do it
Agatha Macbeth: Very well
Moon Adamant: thanks
Lilith Ivory: makes sense as you need to report to the RA anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Where do I find LUC announcements?
Lilith Ivory: Hi Almut
Moon Adamant: and your reports to RA are great!
Lilith Ivory: at the forum way down in ... let me look
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Moon Adamant: hi Almut
Lilith Ivory: here
Lilith Ivory: https://forums.slcds.info/viewforum.php ... 29c28e60d1
Sudane Erato: hi Almut!
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Almi
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you Lil
Almut Brunswick: Hi there, dear LUC members!
Lilith Ivory: I have to thank you for taking on this task
Agatha Macbeth: YW
Lilith Ivory: and I will post the first two transcripts so we have them complete
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
Agatha Macbeth: I used to post transcripts for Playasbeing regularly, so pretty much know what it entails
Lilith Ivory: last time there was a guy from VWEC mentioned who is knowlegable for making signs for blind people and it is good to have his name somewhere ::)
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Almut Brunswick: I assume that was this Polish guy
Lilith Ivory: the agenda is in the box Almut
Lilith Ivory: I forgot the name lol
Almut Brunswick: ty
Lilith Ivory: ok, lets really start now
Moon Adamant: yeah, it's on the transcript I didn't note it down either
Lilith Ivory: yes (I was wise enough to take my own copy of the transcript
Agatha Macbeth: Always wise
Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
Lilith Ivory: first agenda item:
Lilith Ivory: A real pathway to the catacombs in Colonia Nova:
Make a plan and write a proposal to present it to the chancellor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MV ... BFHuw/edit
Lilith Ivory: I hope this slurl works this time lol
Moon Adamant: you need to sign in, but it looks fine
Lilith Ivory: did you all had a chance to look at this doc?
Moon Adamant: lol, yes
Lilith Ivory: if there is nothing to add I would suggest we vote on it so we can present it to the chancellor
Moon Adamant: second
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Sudane Erato: looks good to me...
Agatha Macbeth: Seems OK
Lilith Ivory: we can always discuss the fine tuning with Tor while moving forward
Moon Adamant: for sure
Lilith Ivory: ok, I move we present this google doc to the chancellor for approval so we can get his permission to start working on iut
Sudane Erato: second
Lilith Ivory: all in favour vote aye please
Moon Adamant: aye
Agatha Macbeth: Aye
Lilith Ivory: aye
Sudane Erato: aye
Lilith Ivory: motion carried
Sudane Erato: now... what if he approves?
Lilith Ivory: than you start digging ;_)
Sudane Erato: should we have next steps in place?
Moon Adamant: lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Lilith Ivory: good idea
Sudane Erato: cause i think he will
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like the great escape
Lilith Ivory: I think so too
Sudane Erato: yes
Moon Adamant: what do you think it's needed as next steps?
Sudane Erato: well
Lilith Ivory: (Tor was already saying that all new buildings get done while he is chancellor. So we could call him Tor the destroyer ...
Sudane Erato: the first concern is the external appearance
Lilith Ivory: I suggested to call him Tor the renewer instead
Moon Adamant:
Sudane Erato: hehe... yes
Sudane Erato: so... if we tear out the traain
Sudane Erato: terrain
Sudane Erato: then prim land goes in
Sudane Erato: which can be quick...
Sudane Erato: but
Sudane Erato: we are also replacing the theater
Sudane Erato: and tahts not so quick
Lilith Ivory: right
Sudane Erato: so
Moon Adamant: hmmm
Lilith Ivory: thinking about it it might be wise to have the Theatre first
Sudane Erato: the landforms I guess will need to temporarily fit to the existing theater
Sudane Erato: Lil, yes
Sudane Erato: thats another strategy
Sudane Erato: two options really
Sudane Erato: so its probably good to at least plan that far
Lilith Ivory: we can present to Tor whatever suits the builders best
Moon Adamant: I already started the process of collecting visual references for the theatre
Lilith Ivory: right
Sudane Erato: once the externals are in, the underground can proceed without schedylke
Sudane Erato: since no one sees it
Moon Adamant: BUT I am not sure if they can presented as they are
Moon Adamant: my issue is... for example
Sudane Erato: they?
Moon Adamant: my visual references
Sudane Erato: ahhhh
Moon Adamant: example is good
Almut Brunswick: Do you have already a potential builder in mind?
Sudane Erato: Moon has volunteered to do the theater
Moon Adamant: the theater needs a bit of proscenium... the roman theater of Merida, Spain, is a fine example...
Almut Brunswick: Ah
Lilith Ivory: we were thinking about Sudane doing the terrraforming
Sudane Erato: I will do the landforms
Sudane Erato: yes
Almut Brunswick: ah a Roman theatre
Sudane Erato: the tunnels will be a collaborative project
Lilith Ivory loves working underground
Sudane Erato:
Sudane Erato: always the risk of tunnels not connecting
Almut Brunswick wants Lilith to create a Berlin subway then
Sudane Erato: haha
Lilith Ivory: hehehe
Moon Adamant: BUT Merida theater is huge and it has a full proscenium... my fear is that by showing the Merida proscenium people will think that our theater will be as large, and that the proscenium will be almost complete, which is not the idea at all
Sudane Erato: well, Moon
Moon Adamant: (meaning: this communication needs a bit of thinking :_P
Almut Brunswick: a smaller one is in Xanten, Germany
Sudane Erato: you can show references
Sudane Erato: and add notes describing the role of the references
Sudane Erato: we're not reconstructing any RL builds here
Moon Adamant: yes....
Almut Brunswick: No, but borrowing details from RL doesn't hurt
Moon Adamant: oh, we aren't, but that makes the communication trickier
Moon Adamant: because if i was doing Merida I'd just present the photo and that's it
Moon Adamant: exactly Almut
Agatha Macbeth: Oops
Lilith Ivory: oops we lost Sudane
Sudane Erato entered chat range (11.89 m).
Moon Adamant: I offered a TP
Lilith Ivory: wb
Moon Adamant: wb
Agatha Macbeth: Come back!
Sudane Erato: sorry.... new FS viewer
Sudane Erato: guess it has bugs
Lilith Ivory: I was wise enough not to update mine yet lol
Agatha Macbeth: I heard so
Lilith Ivory: good to know!
Moon Adamant: this to say... obviously there is communication to be done, it needs a biot of thinking
Lilith Ivory nods
Sudane Erato: I'm always in favor of biots of thinking
Moon Adamant: lol yes
Sudane Erato:
Moon Adamant: so...
Moon Adamant: we can maybe
Lilith Ivory: as long as we dont have to deal with thinking bigots I m fine
Agatha Macbeth: !
Moon Adamant: try and have taht communication next LUC?
Lilith Ivory: good idea
Lilith Ivory: you can present a few pictures than maybe
Moon Adamant: have to pester about terrain first of all
Lilith Ivory nods
Sudane Erato: well
Sudane Erato: that still raises the question
Sudane Erato: should you use existing terrain for reference?
Moon Adamant: hmmmmMMM
Sudane Erato: or should I put in some place-holding terrain?
Sudane Erato: for example
Lilith Ivory: I do love the mesh skye terrain
Sudane Erato: I think that facing north
Sudane Erato: we can have much more dramatic cliffs
Moon Adamant: have no idea, really... I've looked under what's there and it's so chaotic that it is hard to say
Sudane Erato: like the north facing LA
Lilith Ivory: cool
Sudane Erato: and the theater can fit into those
Sudane Erato: it would just make more sense
Moon Adamant: possibly, or the theater can be flatter but higher up the cliff
Moon Adamant: i am all for dramatic landscapes
Lilith Ivory: if it looks good than yes!
Sudane Erato: oh yes... a theater cut into steep rocky cliffs will be wonderful
Sudane Erato: but how do we timeline the construction?
Sudane Erato: thats my concern
Moon Adamant: not sure either
Sudane Erato: maybe Moon and I should just work together
Sudane Erato: and we'll solve stuff as it comes up
Moon Adamant: when would be an acceptable deadline?
Lilith Ivory: sounds like a good plan
Sudane Erato: deadline?
Moon Adamant: lol, you know I think in project mode
Lilith Ivory: it migh tbe wise to have it done or have it moved forward a lot till the end of this term
Lilith Ivory: we dont know IF we will have a chancellor next term and who it will be
Moon Adamant: which is?... *hides because of the silly question*
Lilith Ivory: dec 1
Lilith Ivory: I think
Moon Adamant: couple of months
Lilith Ivory: right
Lilith Ivory: no need to hurry too much
Moon Adamant: I think it's possible
Moon Adamant: the theatre that is, have no idea about thecave system
Lilith Ivory: hehe, would be fun to have the next inaugural ball in an icy cave
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Lilith Ivory giggles
Lilith Ivory: I think the theatre is more important as it is more visible
Moon Adamant: oh, I think it can be done
Sudane Erato: exactly
Lilith Ivory: great
Lilith Ivory: anything more to discuss at this topic for now?
Moon Adamant: hmmm not here
Sudane Erato: nope... next...
Lilith Ivory: we should our plans for the next steps to the proposal perhaps
Lilith Ivory: or not ?
Moon Adamant: don't know, actually
Sudane Erato: ?
Lilith Ivory: deadline and how we plan to move forward
Lilith Ivory: but really we can always present that to Tor at a later time
Sudane Erato: its in the transcript
Moon Adamant: I'd say present as it is
Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
Sudane Erato: so lets go on to the next topic
Moon Adamant: it's a working doc so we can add later
Lilith Ivory: AND we have a archivist who I am sure will post it
Sudane Erato: hehe
Lilith Ivory: next topic
Lilith Ivory: Proposal Kyoko: Historical educational signage
Sudane Erato: I do like the signage idea
Sudane Erato: I live in New York State... and we have lots like that
Lilith Ivory: we have a google doc from Tor where he has some places and descriptions already
Sudane Erato: I think they're neat
Lilith Ivory: I like that too
Moon Adamant: yes, really nice descriptions on Tor's doc
Lilith Ivory: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sGD ... FA1nA/edit
Lilith Ivory: last meeting our plan was to find suitable places first in all our regions ...
Lilith Ivory: next to decide which signs we want to use
Lilith Ivory: and last but not least to make them and the notecards
Lilith Ivory: I have to admit I had no time (and forgot) to look into this
Moon Adamant: on suitable regions, just let me add for reference that Kyoko presented a proposal on that cube over there
Lilith Ivory: right
Moon Adamant: suitable places in our regions*
Lilith Ivory: there are also three different signs on the easels
Sudane Erato: Tor is good at writing those texts
Moon Adamant: he is!
Sudane Erato: and its GREAT that some are two languages
Lilith Ivory: a picture of one Kyoko took in RL, the sign we already use in CDS and a sign how we use it in Germany and all over europe
Moon Adamant: yes
Sudane Erato: too bad we couldn't have the text in any language that you choose
Moon Adamant: well, you can with a scripted signal
Moon Adamant: menu for language.... it IMs you the correct language
Agatha Macbeth: That's clever
Sudane Erato: that would be great!
Lilith Ivory: there was also the suggestion to have the signs post in local chat as handicaped people need it like this
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
Moon Adamant: IM or local chat... similar
Lilith Ivory: yes
Lilith Ivory: the one who does the signs should meet with the guy from VWEC who is into that
Sudane Erato: IM is probably better... it wouldn't fill up the airwaves when a lot of people were present
Lilith Ivory: yes if possible
Agatha Macbeth nods
Moon Adamant: if we get a sign like that; I volunteer the translations to Portuguese
Sudane Erato:
Sudane Erato: do they all need translation?... how would we get languages we don't speak?
Lilith Ivory: Laura can do italian and me or Almut German
Sudane Erato: like Polish?
Lilith Ivory: in the worst case google translate
Moon Adamant: we just add the languages as we get citizens who speak those
Sudane Erato: or Greek?
Moon Adamant: it's a best effort after all
Lilith Ivory: hehe, we got a new citizen from India, so that language is covered too
Moon Adamant: and we already have a LOT of languages
Moon Adamant: just look at those signs on the ground floor here at teh Rathaus
Almut Brunswick: not to forget Nederlands
Lilith Ivory: right
Moon Adamant: on the visuals...
Moon Adamant: obviously the european style sign is more familiar to me
Almut Brunswick: RL is calling me, I need to leave
Lilith Ivory: see you Almut
Agatha Macbeth: See you tomorrow Almi
Moon Adamant: see you Almut
Almut Brunswick: See you tomorrow at the RA meeting!
Lilith Ivory: I am all in favour of using the one Rosie has created for CDS already
Lilith Ivory: I really love it
Moon Adamant: but I worry that it may be a bit too much work -- the EU-style sign
Lilith Ivory: exactly my thinking
Moon Adamant: (am here trying to think on how to do it quickly and would definitely have to test how!)
Moon Adamant: I like Rosie's sign, though on a selfish reason lol --- some signs that are too loud spoil photo angles
Lilith Ivory: yea - it does look like a lot of work
Lilith Ivory: YES!
Lilith Ivory: and I think we should honor the work Rosie has done already
Moon Adamant: so I definitely like it being more muted
Lilith Ivory: this sign is not only on the heritage rocks but at a few other locations already
Moon Adamant: oh, for sure, I agree!
Lilith Ivory: (and it is easy to be reproduced if we get the mask
Sudane Erato: sorry... which is Rosie's sign?
Lilith Ivory: the one in the middle
Moon Adamant: the one at centre
Sudane Erato: ahhh
Lilith Ivory: it is placed on the heritage LL rocks in NFS
Sudane Erato: Eric Linden
Lilith Ivory: yes
Moon Adamant: yes, that's it
Sudane Erato: with materials it would be great!
Lilith Ivory: Rosie was worried someone might return those ole rocks and so she creatd this sign lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Lilith Ivory: I am sure it has materials
Moon Adamant: it's a great idea!
Sudane Erato: I agree!!!
Lilith Ivory: yes!
Moon Adamant: what do you think, Sudane, Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: I think all three look good
Sudane Erato: I think yes
Sudane Erato: go with Rosie's
Lilith Ivory: the left and the right sign are a lot of work lol
Moon Adamant: I actually think this is a matter for careful consideration
Sudane Erato: let's get the template
Lilith Ivory: I go with REosies too
Sudane Erato: and maybe several of us can work on signs
Lilith Ivory: exactly
Sudane Erato: if we agree on a standard format
Lilith Ivory: I certainly can
Agatha Macbeth: I prefer two on the left tho
Lilith Ivory: Hi Delia
Moon Adamant: sure, get us the psd file and the font
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Delia
Moon Adamant: hi Delia
Sudane Erato: I'll be happy to... signs all over!
Delia Lake: Hi. Sorry for being so late. This time of year is Saturday morning farmers markets for me
Lilith Ivory: aaww I see
Agatha Macbeth: Moo
Lilith Ivory: we have voted on the google doc about the cave system in CN so we can present it to Tor
Delia Lake: very good
Lilith Ivory: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MV ... ikf4bua70o
Lilith Ivory: and are talking about the heritage signs now
Delia Lake: ok
Sudane Erato: so...?
Lilith Ivory: I think we should have a standard format Sudane so people know what they are looking for
Sudane Erato: are we decided on that model?
Sudane Erato: yes, agreed
Agatha Macbeth: I'll go with that
Moon Adamant: agreed
Delia Lake: please someone give me access to the google doc
Moon Adamant: oh sorry
Agatha Macbeth: Google is such a pain
Moon Adamant: done
Delia Lake: ty
Lilith Ivory: I think Sudane and me are in favour of the one in the middle , not sure about the rest of us
Delia Lake: catching up. where are the models?
Sudane Erato: yes, I like Rosie's
Lilith Ivory: the models are on the easels
Sudane Erato: I think we should proceed with it
Delia Lake: ty
Lilith Ivory: and in the box is Kyokos original proposal
Moon Adamant: oh, I prefer Rosie's too, for reasons stated
Lilith Ivory: the box in front of the easels that is
Delia Lake: I like the simplicity of the one in the middle
Delia Lake: on the easels
Lilith Ivory: yes
Lilith Ivory: looks like we have a majority for the sign in the middle
Agatha Macbeth: Either of the left two work for me
Lilith Ivory: great
Lilith Ivory: Delia , and here is the link to the google doc of places and descriptions Tor has made
Lilith Ivory: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sGD ... FA1nA/edit
Lilith Ivory: we should look for a few more in other regions tho
Sudane Erato: guys... I must go at 10
Lilith Ivory: oh my lol
Sudane Erato: hour and a half
Lilith Ivory: next time we will have to put the paid classifieds first on the agenda
Moon Adamant: lol, yes
Sudane Erato:
Sudane Erato: yes
Sudane Erato: a circulating agenda
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
Lilith Ivory: yes lol
Moon Adamant: can I move to approve Rosie's design?
Lilith Ivory: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Sure
Lilith Ivory: I second
Moon Adamant: moved
Lilith Ivory: all in favour vote aye please
Agatha Macbeth: Aye
Moon Adamant: aye
Lilith Ivory: (the middle one is Rosies)
Lilith Ivory: aye
Sudane Erato: AYE
Delia Lake: the list of places is not complete
Moon Adamant: (post a pic of the three designs, maybe?)
Lilith Ivory: yes, we need to work on that
Delia Lake: aye re Rosie's sign
Lilith Ivory: why would we want to do that?
Moon Adamant: post the designs? for reference... or just post Rosie's
Moon Adamant: since it's now approved
Lilith Ivory blushes as she does not know how to post pictures on the forum lol
Sudane Erato: I've seen it done
Moon Adamant: oh, I had to find out the other day too lol
Lilith Ivory: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't there something like 'insert image'?
Moon Adamant: I generally place the image in my Gdrive and share a link
Lilith Ivory: whenever I tried I just get a link in the forum
Moon Adamant: or Flickr, or somewhere else
Lilith Ivory: Moon can you post Rosies sign for reference?
Moon Adamant: yes, but it's good enough, I think
Moon Adamant: I can share a link for it
Lilith Ivory: ok
Moon Adamant: curious people click on it and voilá
Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
Moon Adamant: one point about landings
Moon Adamant: ?
Lilith Ivory: that would be the next topic
Lilith Ivory: but yes?
Sudane Erato: and i must go
Sudane Erato: i will think about landings next time
Lilith Ivory: lets table that topic till next meeting
Lilith Ivory: and talk about it first
Moon Adamant: ok
Lilith Ivory: when should we meet again?
Lilith Ivory: in three weeks?
Moon Adamant: 1st october?
Lilith Ivory: oct 1?
Agatha Macbeth: Oct 1st?
Sudane Erato: 3 weeks works
Lilith Ivory: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Lilith Ivory: before we have octoberfest activities all over
Moon Adamant: ok
Lilith Ivory: same time, same place
Agatha Macbeth: Same bat channel
Lilith Ivory: hehe
Lilith Ivory takes a note to bring bats
Delia Lake: I will be late again on Oct 1. I have a rl neighborhood cleanup scheduled for that morning
Sudane Erato: bye all... ty!
Moon Adamant: if the Theatre and Caves comm is ready before that we can add it to the working doc, or publish... whatever... we can talk about that then
Delia Lake: that's ok though
Lilith Ivory: bye Sudane
Agatha Macbeth: TC Sudane
Lilith Ivory: yes good idea
Lilith Ivory: is there anything else to discuss or should we adjourn?
Lilith Ivory: (Typist gets hungry)
Agatha Macbeth: All good for me
Moon Adamant: all good
Agatha Macbeth: I can head off to Science Circle
Lilith Ivory: same here
Delia Lake: me too, Agatha
Lilith Ivory: hehe ok
Agatha Macbeth grins
Delia Lake: I'll read the google docs and catch up
Lilith Ivory: I call this meeting adjourned
Delia Lake: thank you Lil
Moon Adamant: yay!
Moon Adamant: thanks Lil
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you
Lilith Ivory: and please if you can think of more locations for the signs bring them next meeting
Agatha Macbeth: I'll get this posted ASAP
Lilith Ivory: Agatha I will give you posting permissions right away
Lilith Ivory: see you all
Delia Lake: can we post to that google doc?
Moon Adamant: Agatha, I'll drop you a link in a minute for Rosie's sign image
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Delia Lake: for instance the Pip Torok community center should be on the AM section
Moon Adamant: btw lol
Moon Adamant: I know we are going to talk this next meeting, but
Moon Adamant: we should merge Tor's doc and our landings
Delia Lake: yes
Moon Adamant: i think we have duplicate stuff
Lilith Ivory: no I would not do that as its two different topics which need different ways to be dealt with
Moon Adamant: oh ok
Lilith Ivory: the classifieds need other descriptions than the signs
Lilith Ivory: I would like to keep those seperate to avoid confusion
Agatha Macbeth: Good thinking
Lilith Ivory smiles
Moon Adamant: as long as we know WHICH we are doing at any moment lol
Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, helps!
Lilith Ivory: I try to keep an eye on it
Agatha Macbeth: Right then
Moon Adamant: ok, I am off for CN
Lilith Ivory: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: See you all anon
Moon Adamant: cheers everyone
Lilith Ivory: see you