Commerce Commission Meeting 7/17 transcript

[Lilith Ivory]

[9:01] Rose Springvale: i think this commission can recommend legislation to turn off the central tp and to manage our landing points to be central
[9:02] Lilith Ivory: I totally agree
[9:02] Rose Springvale: and to advertise the commercial centers in classified...but do wait til lindens get the classifieds fixed
[9:02] Soro Dagostino: Smart.
[9:02] Lilith Ivory: also I think a TP board in each center of a sim would be a good idea
[9:03] Rose Springvale: Would be great if we could make the tp boards match brians kiosks
[9:03] Rose Springvale: i think Sonja may have access to his textures
[9:03] Lilith Ivory: I can ask her
[9:03] Soro Dagostino: What about Moon?
[9:04] Rose Springvale: or ask brian, i know he'd share
[9:04] Soro Dagostino: She have access?
[9:04] Rose Springvale: I don't think moon has the textures
[9:04] Lilith Ivory: or we could ask brian directly if somebody has hios mail adress
[9:04] Rose Springvale: they should have been deliverd to the archivist. I have it, hang on
[9:04] Rose Springvale: [email protected]
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: seems to be the easiest way to ask Brian directly
[9:05] Rose Springvale: if he's around. He's gone a lot with school
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: they might have to be modified a little to match the TP board
[9:06] Rose Springvale: i think the original plan was taht the tp board would be an option from the kiosk, but i don't really remember now
[9:06] Lilith Ivory: I could do that but also logos from the merchant would be helpful
[9:06] Lilith Ivory: I would prefer to have something at it´s own
[9:06] Lilith Ivory: with less dificult modify permissions
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: those signs need to be updated sometimes
[9:07] Rose Springvale: true
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: I´ve a very simple full perm TP script
[9:07] Rose Springvale: why don't you contact him and see what he says?
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: think that would work perfect for those boards
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: I can do that
[9:08] Soro Dagostino: Rose?
[9:08] Rose Springvale: yes?
[9:08] Soro Dagostino: When is the meeting for the Bar Association?
[9:08] Rose Springvale: oh, 10 i think
[9:08] Soro Dagostino: Lost Geri's note.
[9:09] Soro Dagostino: kk
[9:09] Lilith Ivory: also IF there is any interest from the merchants I´d still like to have somebody hold advertising lessons
[9:09] Rose Springvale: and there are thre CDS meetings tomorrow.
[9:09] Rose Springvale: yes, and i'd like to see the merchants get together and sponsor something.. owl parade, sidewalk sales, something
[9:10] Lilith Ivory: lol I´d like to have that also
[9:10] Rose Springvale: oktoberfest is coming
[9:10] Soro Dagostino: I have to go, nice to see this commission is working.
[9:10] Rose Springvale: i'd love to see those owls again
[9:10] Rose Springvale: see you at the next one Soro
[9:10] Lilith Ivory: same here
[9:10] Lilith Ivory: yea please feel free to post prefered meeting times
[9:10] Lilith Ivory: or just tell me
[9:11] Rose Springvale: lilith, why dont' you just schedule and advertising workshop
[9:11] Rose Springvale: yes, soro, that's the one
[9:11] Soro Dagostino: LOL
[9:11] Soro Dagostino: 2008!
[9:11] Rose Springvale: yep
[9:11] Lilith Ivory: my plan is to ask Soliel as she was willing to hold one last term
[9:12] Lilith Ivory: but I don´t want to be alone with her
[9:12] Lilith Ivory: that´s frustrating
[9:12] Rose Springvale: soliel isn't a citizen right now is she?
[9:12] Lilith Ivory: maybe there is a budget for something like that
[9:12] Rose Springvale: her shop was for sale
[9:12] Lilith Ivory: why not hire an expert for things like that
[9:13] Rose Springvale: well, with 11,500 in our coffers, i'd agree
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: well
[9:13] Rose Springvale: educational
[9:13] Soro Dagostino: What!! That cost money!!! CDS will be in the red.
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: would be something different than concerts
[9:13] Rose Springvale: smiles at the troublemaker
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: we could hold it in LA
[9:13] Soro Dagostino: By folk.
[9:13] Rose Springvale: how did we get to 11500 btw? when we were at 7k last summer and lost money??
[9:13] Lilith Ivory: bye Soro
[9:14] Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!
[9:14] Rose Springvale: bye Sailorman
[9:14] Lilith Ivory: those finances are a book with 7 seals for me
[9:14] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:14] Rose Springvale: just makes no sense that it took 5 years to get to 7 and in 6 we have 11500
[9:15] Rose Springvale: but you are right, not the subject here
[9:15] Lilith Ivory smiles
[9:16] Lilith Ivory: as soon as I`ve fixed my RL budget I´ll join the CDS finance commision
[9:16] Rose Springvale: lol
[9:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:16] Rose Springvale: anything else on your agenda Lil?
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: I was about to ask if there any other suggestions to help the merchants
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: I´m done with mine
[9:17] Rose Springvale: well, i think events help, but the events need to be close to the shops
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: right
[9:18] Rose Springvale: so street dances or fairs
[9:18] Rose Springvale: i know slne does art exhibits in the streets
[9:18] Rose Springvale: auctions are great to bring people in
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: sounds great
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: maybe we could have market stalls
[9:18] Rose Springvale: i think our pub crawl we had last fall had potential
[9:18] Rose Springvale: or maybe even horse rides
[9:19] Rose Springvale: or road rally's
[9:19] Rose Springvale: we do have streets
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: a lot of
[9:19] Rose Springvale: but then i know, i'm a crazy woman who likes parades too
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: we should have an advertisement at the places where horses are sold
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:19] Rose Springvale: tha'ts a good idea.. cross marketing
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:20] Rose Springvale: or just develop some trails
[9:20] Rose Springvale: at least two different horse clubs have been here for guided rides... started in AA
[9:20] Lilith Ivory: we still have to advertise that horse back riding is possible here
[9:21] Rose Springvale: well, even among our own citizens
[9:21] Lilith Ivory: lol do you think so?
[9:21] Rose Springvale: i think many have no idea about a lot of our merchants
[9:21] Rose Springvale: alexia's shop is really hidden for example
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: I have not much idea also
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: also all the small shops in NFS
[9:22] Rose Springvale: But even satir, who has a great location, says she nevers sells from here
[9:22] Rose Springvale: lilith, do you sell more in your market stalls than in your regular shops?
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: people might TP to her mainstore to see the houses
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: I would do that if I wanted to buy a house
[9:22] Rose Springvale: hello gwyn
[9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi! Sorry for being so late.
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: Hi Gwyn
[9:23] Antonius Camus: Hi there
[9:23] Lilith Ivory: I know this meeting was scheduled pretty early
[9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: How appropriate, I'm standing on top of Rose
[9:23] Rose Springvale: yes, i'm the same way lil, almost never buy from a shop when i can go the main store.
[9:23] Rose Springvale: its okay Gwyn, just no more kicking!
[9:23] Lilith Ivory: would be interesting to know how many TPs Satir get from CN
[9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll try to behave!
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: I have to mention that this meeting will be postet at the forum
[9:24] Rose Springvale: how about you? do you count tps to your main one Lil?
[9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn is fine with being transcripted
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: hm no I don´t
[9:25] Rose Springvale: i wonder if there is a tool to do that
[9:25] Lilith Ivory: but I have no special tp sign to there
[9:25] Rose Springvale: ah
[9:25] Lilith Ivory: I´ve no idea
[9:25] Rose Springvale: might be something we could investigate and offer
[9:26] Antonius Camus: Someone here has a faulty script: Allies and Friends of Europa: Could not find texture ''.
[9:26] Rose Springvale: if i were Alexia, i'd want some space on the platz or forum to tp to
[9:26] Rose Springvale: That's the consulate
[9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh... that sounds something like Klaus
[9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes...
[9:26] Rose Springvale: would be yes.
[9:26] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to have something like that also
[9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn waves at Ranma who seems to be back again
[9:26] Ranma Tardis: hi
[9:27] Lilith Ivory: before we have our next meeting I´ll try to contace some merchants personally
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What about a merchant directory on the portal?
[9:27] Rose Springvale: smils
[9:27] Lilith Ivory: I´ve been told they are unhappy but don´t want to come to moore meetings
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry! You have covered that already...
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[9:27] Rose Springvale: i thought the portal was only for informations
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh!
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[9:27] Rose Springvale: and no, we haven't
[9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What about a NEW site?
[9:28] Lilith Ivory: not at the portal
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://shopping.slcds.info
[9:28] Rose Springvale: but we've talked about it a lot in communications
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:28] Lilith Ivory: a site for merchant advertisemants would be cool
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aha right... I'm behind a few transcripts on that too
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed, Lilith
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also mmmh
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry if I'm just throwing ideas,
[9:28] Rose Springvale: well gwyn, we need something more dynamic, that can be changed when people come and go
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which someone might already have said...
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Rose!
[9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed!
[9:29] Rose Springvale: the portal tends to lag about six months
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn is actually working on a Kiosk script for something like that but is under a NDA and can't even mention the word Kiosk... oops
[9:29] Rose Springvale: smiles
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're right.
[9:29] Ranma Tardis: merchants are fine but a lot of us hardley ever shop
[9:29] Rose Springvale: someday we need to hire you
[9:29] Rose Springvale: so we get your attention!
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (shh I'll offer that for free)
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[9:29] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn has just got someone silly enought to pay L$5k for doing an interview! lol !
[9:29] Lilith Ivory: good gurl
[9:29] Rose Springvale: oh my
[9:30] Rose Springvale: give them my name! i interview well
[9:30] Ranma Tardis: in rl my clotes wear out get small, dirty etc
[9:30] Rose Springvale: lol
[9:30] Ranma Tardis: never here *grins*
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm soooooo glad it ws text chat meeting, so she didn't know I was laughing like crazy...
[9:30] Rose Springvale: smiles
[9:30] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I'd be happy to!
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: they're actually some sort of meta-community managers... or so they proclaim themselves
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway!
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, you're right.
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A site that nobody updates is worthless.
[9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But...
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What about having a device,
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that people place on their shop (and might remove afterwards, I don't know)
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which at least puts them on a list
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: on a website
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a merchant's directory
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I *think* we can also get parcel data, like the parcel's name
[9:31] Lilith Ivory: with slurl to the shop
[9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes!
[9:31] Rose Springvale: that's nice. In seraph city they are working on such a thing that will send messages in world, and from in world post to the web
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know you can pull things like the user's profile
[9:32] Rose Springvale: like current events and things
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn *covers her mouth*
[9:32] Rose Springvale: they are going to use it for a newspaper
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can't say more about those things lol
[9:32] Rose Springvale: lol
[9:32] Rose Springvale: pumpkin does lol
[9:32] Frances Ying is Offline
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
[9:32] Lilith Ivory: a place where merchants could advertise special sales with maybe some pics
[9:32] Rose Springvale: apparently there is more than one thing happening
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn needs to walk in under an alt and babble about trade secrets
[9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but yes, Lilith
[9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the biggest issue is what Rose mentions.... if it's not automatic.... after 6 months, it will be hopelessly outdated
[9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, if people need to rez something
[9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and that fills up things automatically... that might help
[9:33] Lilith Ivory: can´t there be something the merchants can update by their own?
[9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure!
[9:33] Ranma Tardis: life is like that Rose
[9:34] Rose Springvale: if we had a site that let's them have their own pages... hehe
[9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes!!
[9:34] Rose Springvale: yes Ranma
[9:34] Lilith Ivory: right!
[9:34] Lilith Ivory: I´d love that
[9:34] Lilith Ivory: and I bet it might bring more merchants
[9:34] Rose Springvale: i wanted to do like a year book... that had profiles of citizens, be more friendly!
[9:35] Ranma Tardis: need to bring in more than dedicated merchants
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I *think* I can do something very simple, a common "merchant's blog"
[9:35] Lilith Ivory: oh yes we need something more friendly than the forum to advertise the CDS!
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: where people get their paswords automatically
[9:35] Rose Springvale: not sure anothe blog is what we need... but it would be great to have a merchants thread!
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and possibly have profiles automatically
[9:35] Rose Springvale: and a land thread lol
[9:35] Ranma Tardis: all of sl is one big shoppe
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ohhh on the forums?? well, that's at least EASY to do, we can just ask the SC for that
[9:35] Rose Springvale: caledon and the steamlands are really good about that
[9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes they are
[9:36] Rose Springvale: well, but the forums are only for debates
[9:36] Rose Springvale: we can only have information and debates we aer told
[9:36] Rose Springvale: and only governmentatl official information
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What would you suggest then, Rose? A new forum?
[9:36] Ranma Tardis: Caledon, ugh my sim has gotten outright UGLY
[9:36] Rose Springvale: i'd suggest that all our sites be more open to people too
[9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww Ranma... why??
[9:36] Rose Springvale: which one Ranma
[9:36] Rose Springvale: ?
[9:37] Ranma Tardis: a new homestead island, poorly planned, can see it from my house, cant miss it in fact
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And what's the Guv'nor doing about that?
[9:38] Ranma Tardis: nothing
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wait... we're not discussing Caledon politics... lol
[9:38] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:38] Ranma Tardis: well there are simulatiries
[9:38] Rose Springvale: so gwyn, how about a merchants thread?
[9:38] Lilith Ivory: it´s relaxing to talk about the problems of óthers
[9:38] Rose Springvale: that might encourage more people to use the forums
[9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine with that!
[9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Will the SC be?
[9:39] Ranma Tardis: think perhaps if we grouped merchants selling simular things toughter
[9:39] Rose Springvale: and let new business announce themselves .. at least to the 25 who read lol
[9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: better than nothing
[9:39] Lilith Ivory: or organizing hunts
[9:39] Ranma Tardis: or find a way to drink a real beer at a sl pub
[9:39] Rose Springvale: well, i don't sell anything, but i'm happy to help with events to bring people to shops
[9:39] Lilith Ivory smiles
[9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes, HUNTS
[9:40] Lilith Ivory: the biggest tast seems to be to bring the merchants together
[9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One task that so many people have failed at :/
[9:40] Ranma Tardis: open season on Pat? be very quiet I am hunting wrabbit
[9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[9:40] Lilith Ivory: I know
[9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Ranma
[9:40] Rose Springvale: smiels
[9:41] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: evil Ranma, evil
[9:41] Rose Springvale: we need to hire someone i thnk
[9:41] Rose Springvale: its too much for a volunteer
[9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd be fine with that....
[9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree...
[9:41] Lilith Ivory: not a bad idea
[9:41] Rose Springvale: even if its just someone in the sims, who can keep a list and send notes to merchants, make sure classifieds are in place, etc
[9:41] Rose Springvale: have a monthly merchant event
[9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But for a start I'd be fine with some thread forums for merchants .... and I'd be happy to try to set up a "merchant's site"
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah..... good that you mention classifieds
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[9:42] Rose Springvale: whether a hunt, or parade, or festival
[9:42] Lilith Ivory: that would be great
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Can I give an example of a mainland community?
[9:42] Lilith Ivory: sure
[9:42] Rose Springvale: smiles. is it chilbo? lol
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, Prokofy Neva's
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One thing that he does,
[9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: as part of the rental cost
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is to pay for one classified on behalf of the tenant.
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just a L$50 classified, but.... it's better than nothing.
[9:43] Rose Springvale: brings us to another question
[9:43] Rose Springvale: rentals
[9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: His point is that indirectly all those classifieds also bring traffic to his community, so he's more than fine to announce on behalf of the shops.
[9:43] Lilith Ivory: I´ve met a lot of people who wanted to rent a shop but were afraid of buying
[9:44] Rose Springvale: yes, lots of people .. and we still get the confusion that no tier is due if they buy
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Same here.... in fact, as you've noticed, a friend of mine is using my place at the Marktplatz for her clothes Since we're not allowed to rent, I give her the spot for free of course, but...
[9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: really, Rose? Mmh
[9:44] Rose Springvale: yes, gwyn, i have done that several times
[9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Curious, I thought people would know how private island parcels work by now
[9:45] Rose Springvale: yes, we lost a citizen in AM last week... but
[9:45] Rose Springvale: he read the covenants
[9:45] Rose Springvale: and our covenants don't mention tier
[9:45] Rose Springvale: so he assuemd it was tier free
[9:45] Ranma Tardis: oh how about what Kendra use to do, no rent but a part of the sales?
[9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh! Good point!
[9:45] Rose Springvale: ONE of the problems with yellow map
[9:45] Rose Springvale: Ranma, i did that in the emporium, and lost my shirt
[9:45] Rose Springvale: and i had great merchants there
[9:45] Close Range: dulce Tiramisu [39m]
[9:46] Rose Springvale: and did weekly events
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ranma, yes, that's an idea.... however, the moderate-to-large content creators are *scared shitless* of sharing a single cent of their revenues with other people:)
[9:46] Ranma Tardis: Kendra always did well
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's good for the small fry, though.
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we don't mind that hehe
[9:46] Rose Springvale: if they market themselves
[9:46] Rose Springvale: ha!
[9:46] Rose Springvale: you missed liliths show!
[9:46] Ranma Tardis: well for large mercghants make it very small, call it sales tax
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: my show? lol
[9:47] Ranma Tardis: like .005
[9:47] Rose Springvale: they consider it a favor to BE in your sim.
[9:47] Rose Springvale: your strip show lol
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: I had a stall in swiss city with a split script to use -and really liked that concept
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've heard that kind of thing, Rose.... and uh.... strip show!?!
[9:47] Rose Springvale: the lindens took liliths clothes while she was wearing them!
[9:47] Ranma Tardis: hate stuckups
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: don´t mention this lol
[9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: what! LOL
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: the Lindens stole my clothes while I was wearing them
[9:47] Rose Springvale: soro was here , it was funny
[9:47] Ranma Tardis: ah why
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: uhm. ...
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn is totally confused! How did they steal your clothes!?
[9:48] Rose Springvale: he was quiet but ... when she left said, "no complaints here!"
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: idk
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: first me and Rose saw me being dressed
[9:48] Rose Springvale: one minute she was dressed, the next naked!
[9:48] Antonius Camus: And I was here, but nothing had loaded until a few minutes later.
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: and than my clothes were gone
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahahahaahahaha
[9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: didn't you click "take off all clothes" by mistake??
[9:48] Ranma Tardis: forced nudism?
[9:48] Rose Springvale: lol
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: maybe I can laugh about it a few years later
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn notices Ranma drooling
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: No I did NOT!
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: lol
[9:49] Rose Springvale: maybe THAT is how we bring in customers!
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One stupid question, were u+you using Emerald?
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:49] Rose Springvale: "the sim that makes you naked randomly"
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Rose — why not??
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: no, the old SL viewer
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a tourist attraction!
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: never used another
[9:49] Rose Springvale: like Nafs naked sauna!
[9:49] Ranma Tardis: oh done it in Germany, one part of the resort went from clothed to nude and the lifeguard was encourching me to bare down
[9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, so I'm sure it was't what I had in mind then
[9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh my, Ranma Forced nudism by lifeguards?
[9:50] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:50] Doreen Garrigus is Online
[9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh. Kinky!
[9:50] Ranma Tardis: well the rules changed at 6pm
[9:50] Lilith Ivory looks at her RL clothes - still there
[9:50] Rose Springvale: i have ten minutes before my next meeting... anything else you want to talk about?
[9:50] Rose Springvale: smiles at the german girl
[9:50] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:50] Ranma Tardis: was funny
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So how do we stand at sponsoring classifieds on behalf of the merchants?
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also.....
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are ads that can be bought....
[9:51] Rose Springvale: i think that's a great idea
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: On the millions of fashion blogs...
[9:51] Lilith Ivory: my suggestion was to have a classified for the whole region
[9:51] Rose Springvale: yes and in the magazines. i know there were ads in the one Alexia publishes
[9:51] Rose Springvale: but have never seen them
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If we announce CDS generically, we can save a lot of costs
[9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly, Rose
[9:51] Lilith Ivory: but I´d also like to have one for my own
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, good idea, Lilith!
[9:52] Rose Springvale: maybe a list
[9:52] Rose Springvale: of where good options to advertise are
[9:52] Rose Springvale: so people can pick
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A CDS classified on the LL Search and some ads on those magazines and blogs
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yessss
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a merchant's resource would be wonderful!
[9:52] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer 1 per Sim
[9:52] Rose Springvale: that would be fun to work on
[9:52] Lilith Ivory: as the things for sale are different
[9:52] Rose Springvale: yes, i think so too lilith, as they all have different appeal
[9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one per sim is ok
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree.
[9:53] Rose Springvale: how much would you spend?
[9:53] Ranma Tardis: what would be nice is an easy way for customers to find wanted merchindise
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: also, it means we can have 11 different ads More variety!
[9:53] Rose Springvale: 50 seems a bit small
[9:53] Rose Springvale: yes ranma, two sides
[9:53] Ranma Tardis: the ll searched is fracked
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well.... 50 x 2 x 11.... L$1100 per month
[9:53] Rose Springvale: resoruces for shoppers and resouces for merchants
[9:53] Rose Springvale: no need for 11
[9:53] Lilith Ivory: I´m doing fine with 50 at the moment but more would be better of course
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one per sim
[9:53] Rose Springvale: only one place in AA even has merchants
[9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or one per theme?
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: AM does not need one also imo
[9:54] Rose Springvale: i think that's better
[9:54] Ranma Tardis: it is close to my house there
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: no shops there so far
[9:54] Rose Springvale: monastery doens't need one
[9:54] Rose Springvale: i don't think
[9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true!
[9:54] Rose Springvale: NFS, CN mostly are the ones we need to promote i think
[9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, if it's just one per theme... we can certainly spend more...
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: nobody looks at classified to hire a musician I think
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: and LA
[9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: who knows! lol
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: with Alexia and Cleo
[9:55] Rose Springvale: doesn't cleo have a shop in CN also?
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm good point.... what about the AA sims, which ones have shops?
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: she used to
[9:55] Rose Springvale: only the souk
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: we could ask the musicians what they think about classified
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, 4 ads
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and good idea, Lilith
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I really like the idea of not just promoting merchants but also people providing service.
[9:55] Rose Springvale: naftali has a stall in AA
[9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. musicians, DJs
[9:56] Rose Springvale: but she hasn't paid for it for a long time
[9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. We could have a Music Academy
[9:56] Rose Springvale: could make a group one. yes, that's been her plan for two yeas
[9:56] Lilith Ivory: sure this commision should he here for all
[9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. a place where musicians would promote themselves
[9:56] Lilith Ivory: they just have to tell us what they want
[9:56] Rose Springvale: soro does mediation services too, and sonja has her new citizen service
[9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: just have booths and such.... oh.... btw.... not exactly related though.... is any commission talking about the radio?
[9:56] Ranma Tardis: how about street musisians?
[9:56] Rose Springvale: and Carlos does hebrew lessons...
[9:57] Rose Springvale: that should be comms
[9:57] Fern Leissa is Online
[9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[9:57] Lilith Ivory: should be the communications commision - right?
[9:57] Rose Springvale: yes
[9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just because it's obviously also a place to put ads
[9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So mmmh
[9:57] Ranma Tardis: people would be drawned to them and would see the shops
[9:57] Rose Springvale: would be nice to have some income sources to support radio
[9:57] Lilith Ivory: a CDS radio would be great
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think we could then have two things.... one is an old idea: a "common mini-mall" for small merchants, with booths that take commissions on sales. e.g. Hippo
[9:58] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the other would be a Service Hall
[9:58] Lilith Ivory: I do have scripts for that
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: where all people providing services of some sort could have a small booth or sign
[9:58] Rose Springvale: we talked about that last term for factions
[9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: even better, Lilith I used to have a complete system that would even place the items on an associated website too.
[9:59] Rose Springvale: when there were complaints about some factions having platz presence, but not all
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah yes, i remember that
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ideally, those structures should be on one of the many sims with shops...
[9:59] Rose Springvale: well, there was no meeting of the minds on it, and that commission died lol
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: NFS is a good candidate... we have plenty of "public space"
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (true)
[10:00] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: CN also has the ground floor of the Praetorium
[10:00] Rose Springvale: okay guys, i need to go to the bar meeting today
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok!
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: would love to see some traffic in neuf
[10:00] Rose Springvale: thanks Lilith for your work
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's a busy weekend
[10:00] Lilith Ivory: see you Rose
[10:00] Rose Springvale: yes!
[10:00] Lilith Ivory: indeed
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye, Rose!
[10:00] Rose Springvale: bye!
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: bye Rose
[10:00] Antonius Camus: See you, Rose.
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sure we'll see each other tomorrow, hot pants girl
[10:01] Antonius Camus: What's tomorrow?
[10:01] Lilith Ivory: at least two meetings as far as I know
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: Church?
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: oh ok
[10:01] Lilith Ivory: Roman regional commite and uhm Citizenship?
[10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe no
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: merchants are fine but there needs to be a "draw"
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: four meetings even, and I don't know if the Guild is meeting too
[10:02] Soro Dagostino is Offline
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: well, the guild ...
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and an open discussion as well, Lilith... and the Election Commission too
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: wow
[10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe @ Guild
[10:02] Ranma Tardis: one week to go
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: hope there will be more anouncements via notecard
[10:03] Lilith Ivory: I´ll try to go to as much as possible hehe
[10:03] Ranma Tardis: so who votes next week?
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: grr lol
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hard to sit here!
[10:03] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least you rezzed to me now, Lilith!
[10:04] Antonius Camus: See you folks around *waves*
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: you stand up Gwyn and everybody else does also
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: take care, Tony!
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: great!
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was just trying to un-cloudify you, Lilith!
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: dressed I hope
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and it worked!
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes!!!
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: sigh great
[10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nice outfit and wonderful hair
[10:04] Lilith Ivory: hehe thank you
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh and the earrings... are exquisite!
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I never saw anything like those before!
[10:05] Lilith Ivory: still a leftover from 4th july
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: really?? hehe
[10:05] Lilith Ivory: it´s from earthtones
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: firework earrings?
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:05] Lilith Ivory: yea hehe
[10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
[10:06] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:06] Lilith Ivory: also we talked about getting rid of the central TP in NFS
[10:06] Lilith Ivory: hope you agree it´s a little outdated by now
[10:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[10:06] Ranma Tardis: it has its uses
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you know... it's ironic... I was all for it,
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but since there is a bug when you are in the list of Estate Managers,
[10:07] Lilith Ivory: yea - I can remember you can tp wherever you want
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm *never* teleported to the hub!
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly!
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which I hate lol
[10:07] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I keep getting stuck into buildings
[10:07] Ranma Tardis: it brings customers to the stores
[10:07] Lilith Ivory: exactly and the shopowners in NFS are all weening about it
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and then have to rely on a gentle soul to tp me out...
[10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I won't complain if the central hub goes away...
[10:08] Lilith Ivory: hehe ok
[10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, it will still be there, just not mandatory
[10:08] Lilith Ivory: we could have a test yes that´s what I want
[10:08] Lilith Ivory: like it is in CN
[10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and probably be the tp location for the sim-wide ads... but just for that.... each shop can have their own
[10:08] Ranma Tardis: then people will tp in and out never bothering to look around
[10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well that was the main reason for having it, Ranma
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: since at least in NFS most shops are around the marktplatz anyway
[10:09] Lilith Ivory: I know - but nobody ever goes in the shops
[10:09] Lilith Ivory: or buys something
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[10:09] Ranma Tardis: ptp killed communities in sl
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* again
[10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it didn't *kill* it, but certainly made people less willing to *explore*
[10:10] Lilith Ivory: some still do and will do it in NFS
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I speak for myself too... I'm lazy... when I want to go to a shop, I want to be +directly in front of it* and not be endlessly running around on half-rezzed sims looking for what I wish to buy
[10:10] Ranma Tardis: now they tp from store to skypad to beach and missing all inbetween
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly Ranma
[10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we lose the visual contiguity
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think I wrote soemthing about that once
[10:11] Ranma Tardis: yes
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's more damaging than what people think...
[10:11] Lilith Ivory: imo we talked about that tp issue since 2007 when I arrived here
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the problem is the following.... unlike all other virtual worlds, SL is a contiguous landscape.
[10:11] Ranma Tardis: remember telle points
[10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Even Blue Mars has individual cities, isolated from each other
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: others are just "rooms" and people just teleport between rooms
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Once residents in SL started forgetting about the "space between", SL just bcame more akin to other VWs
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and thus more prone to be compared with them
[10:12] Ranma Tardis: never been on blue mars, does not support my mac
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true
[10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I had to borrow a computer to try it out lol
[10:13] Lilith Ivory: Hi Rosie
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rosie
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi there!
[10:13] Ranma Tardis: hullo
[10:13] Rosie Gray: hi!
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: shiny one
[10:13] Lilith Ivory: you look awesome!
[10:13] Rosie Gray: sorry I couldn't be here earlier
[10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you're anything but Gray today
[10:13] Rosie Gray: oh thanks
[10:14] Rosie Gray blushes
[10:14] Lilith Ivory: I know this meeting was terrible early
[10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's a weekend with an insanely busy schedule!
[10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which is good I guess.
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I strongly believe it's far better to have people complain that there are too many meetings and they can't attend them all, than complaining that we're not talking about things at all
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: in germany we have a saying. the lazy ones get busy at night
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Lilith
[10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I never heard that!
[10:15] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:15] Ranma Tardis: grins
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: might be typical german to blame ourselfs for being lazy
[10:15] Ranma Tardis: so many meetings are when I am at work
[10:16] Ranma Tardis: attending meetings
[10:16] Rosie Gray: well you can't accommodate everyone's schedules in SL
[10:16] Lilith Ivory: there will be more meetings to different times
[10:16] Ranma Tardis: well I work during the week
[10:17] Lilith Ivory: I´ve to confess, I´ve no idea about good meeting times for europeans
[10:17] Rosie Gray: mornings are usually good for me, but just happened that yesterday was probably my busiest day of the year
[10:17] Lilith Ivory: oh I see
[10:17] Lilith Ivory: I´ll post the transcript and a summary of ideas
[10:18] Sonja Strom is Online
[10:18] Lilith Ivory: this meeting will be postet btw
[10:18] Rosie Gray: oh good
[10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok
[10:18] Rosie Gray: I'll makes sure to read it
[10:18] Lilith Ivory: I wonder where to get a sign saying this
[10:18] Rosie Gray: saying what?
[10:18] Lilith Ivory: "this meeting will be posted at the forum"
[10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[10:18] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: easy to do!
[10:19] Lilith Ivory: yea right - If I hadn´t been so lazy
[10:19] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl — so appropriate to say!!
[10:19] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:19] Lilith Ivory: I had to say it at least 4 times by now
[10:19] Rosie Gray: nice to meet you by-the-way Ranma
[10:19] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip
[10:19] Lilith Ivory: and now again
[10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pip
[10:20] Pip Torok: I know ... I'm late!!
[10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you're part oif the largest university of Europe, Pip?
[10:20] Pip Torok: could be ....
[10:20] Rosie Gray: hi Pip
[10:20] Rosie Gray: I just arrived as well
[10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello, Professor Pip then
[10:20] Pip Torok: im an OU grduate with Hons ... thats for sure
[10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh wow
[10:21] Pip Torok: lol ... Doctor please!!
[10:21] Lilith Ivory: are we still going to talk about commerce?
[10:21] Rosie Gray:
[10:21] Pip Torok: I hope we are
[10:21] Rosie Gray: can you give us a brief overview of any decisions reached this morning?
[10:21] Rosie Gray: or ideas?
[10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine for a few minutes lol
[10:21] Lilith Ivory: than I´vew to mention that I will post the transcript
[10:21] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I didn't arrive from the start
[10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we definitely came up with a few good ideas!
[10:22] Rosie Gray: excellent!
[10:22] Pip Torok: i consent to being revorded !!!!
[10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Pip
[10:22] Pip Torok: recorded
[10:22] Lilith Ivory: maybe you newcomers have suggestions or wishes we have not talked about jet
[10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: reworded or recorded?
[10:22] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: let me see, what did we cover.... a possible merchant portal.... classifieds paid by the CDS to announce the four shopping areas in the CDS/AA that we found...
[10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ads on magazines and blogs
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a "merchant mini-mall" for small merchants, with booths
[10:23] Lilith Ivory: a tp board to bring custokmers to the shops
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or vending machines
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a forum thread to announce products
[10:23] Lilith Ivory: and the NFS TP issue
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes
[10:23] Pip Torok: ah yes! ..
[10:23] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:23] Rosie Gray: all those things are great ideas
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and possibly a Service Hall, for the ones that don't sell content but services: musicians, DJs, legal consultancy
[10:23] Lilith Ivory: I might have to reread the chat to summarize all ideas
[10:23] Rosie Gray: and some are SO necessary!
[10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I'm toyingwith teh idea of an automated merchant directory
[10:24] Lilith Ivory: that would be great!
[10:24] Rosie Gray: yes!
[10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the idea would be that a new shop owner rezzes an object, and some data goes to a directory of merchants
[10:24] Pip Torok: ah ... sounds good ...
[10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh... and organising regular hunts
[10:25] Lilith Ivory: would that work with the old viewer also?
[10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and similar merchant-related events that draw traffic
[10:25] Lilith Ivory: yes
[10:25] Pip Torok hpoes these good ideas are being underwritten by actual merchants in this room ...
[10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh sure Lilith....I have a prototype somewhere.... I just have to see if it still works... and show you
[10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Pip )))))
[10:25] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, we also complained how hard it is to bring the merchants under the same roof and talk about things
[10:26] Rosie Gray sighs
[10:26] Lilith Ivory: I know about at least 3 merchants in this room by now
[10:26] Rosie Gray: ha!
[10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn hardly sells anything to be considered a "merchant"
[10:26] Lilith Ivory: lol
[10:26] Rosie Gray: I have only sold 1 thing so far in NFS
[10:27] Pip Torok: yes ... tho in one sense it cd be thought of as their thoughtlessmess (to be mischievous:)
[10:27] Lilith Ivory: at least you remember being a CDS merchant
[10:27] Rosie Gray: but I do sell my stuff regularly elsewhere
[10:27] Pip Torok: still makes you a merchant Rosie!
[10:27] Lilith Ivory: sometimes I do even sell something in the CDS
[10:27] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn only sells from XStreetSL lol — but I know how people feel about XStreetSL-only merchants, that's why I have some 4 shops around the grid too
[10:28] Lilith Ivory: everybody who wants to sell something here is a merchant imo
[10:28] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, Lilith!
[10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: even if it's just servcies!
[10:28] Rosie Gray: is there anything that can be done about so-called shops in NFS that are just empty?
[10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *services
[10:28] Ranma Tardis: time for me to go, nap time
[10:28] Rosie Gray: nothing at all in them?
[10:28] Pip Torok: btw I saw an XstreetSL in Guillaums house ... he might appreciate more public exposure?
[10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: have a nice nap, Ranma! (I had miy own earlier hehe )
[10:28] Rosie Gray: oh bye Ranma, nice to meet you
[10:28] Pip Torok: bye Ranma
[10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm. Are they empty but someone is paying for them, Rosie?
[10:28] Lilith Ivory: we talked about direct TPs a classified add for the whole sim and a tp board
[10:29] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:29] Ranma Tardis: nice to have meet you Rosie
[10:29] Lilith Ivory: see you Ranma
[10:29] Rosie Gray: and I have sent a notecard to both owners, right beside my shop
[10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, then there is nothing we can do about it, is there? People are allowed to leave their shops empty if they wish
[10:29] Rosie Gray: neither of them even replied to me
[10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And they're still paying? Wow
[10:29] Lilith Ivory: it´s also a matter of prims for some
[10:29] Rosie Gray: they are just holding lots I guess, but really it makes the place look empty
[10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: True!
[10:30] Rosie Gray: and doesn't give a good impression
[10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Some citizens just wish to have a spot in the CDS because they rather like the project and just wish to contribute financially, but have no time to be active...
[10:30] Pip Torok: agree (geeling a bit guilty)
[10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But, alas, we can't kick them out
[10:30] Rosie Gray: yes but at least they could let someone else make it look like something
[10:30] Lilith Ivory: well and some need a cheap place to be allowed to vote
[10:30] Rosie Gray: now my little shop is on the end of the street, with a dead space on either end
[10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It would definitely improve the area., yes....
[10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But mmmh
[10:30] Rosie Gray: either side* rather
[10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, that's an idea worth discussing!
[10:31] Rosie Gray: well... what about just sending a notecard as a committee?
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If they pay,
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it means that *someone* at least comes in-world once a month lol
[10:31] Rosie Gray: citizen pressure?
[10:31] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and Sudane has email addresses for all of them
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "pressure" is a tought word but....
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: .... a nicely worded email from a commission,
[10:31] Rosie Gray: well I mean in a good-citizen type of way
[10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: saying that we volunteer to decorate their shops
[10:31] Rosie Gray: yes!
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we just need permission...
[10:32] Lilith Ivory: I might have lost track ...
[10:32] Rosie Gray: which is what I already did, btw
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think it couldn't hurt...
[10:32] Pip Torok: "nudging" maybe?
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: good
[10:32] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pip and agrees with "nudging"
[10:32] Lilith Ivory: a notecard saying what?
[10:32] Rosie Gray: let me find the notecards I sent, to show you
[10:32] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sonja
[10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn says hi to our Miss Chancellor!
[10:32] Pip Torok: hi Sonie
[10:32] Rosie Gray: hello Sonja
[10:32] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:32] Sonja Strom: hello!
[10:33] Sonja Strom: sorry I have come late
[10:33] Rosie Gray: oh I gave Sonya copies of the notecards, at the time
[10:33] Pip Torok admires the green hat from above
[10:33] Lilith Ivory: this seems to become a nonstop meeting hehe
[10:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha yes!!!
[10:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: people come and go, but at least they always leave new suggestions!
[10:33] Lilith Ivory: I´m going to post the transcript of this meeting at the forum
[10:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd wait a bit, Lilith
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: I have to tell Sonja
[10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... I'm sure that we might fit a few extra suggestions lol
[10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ooooh
[10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course! haha
[10:34] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Rosie
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: ty Rosie
[10:35] Rosie Gray: there is the other one
[10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh neither Archmunster nor Timo answered??
[10:35] Rosie Gray: Timo replied to that second one... it's not his land, but the building is still owned by him
[10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Timo is very active on the forums...
[10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: right
[10:35] Rosie Gray: I wasn't sure who owned it
[10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Archmunster mmh.... he's around
[10:35] Rosie Gray: but I guess it's Archmunster
[10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably!
[10:35] Rosie Gray: is he?
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I see him on my friends list from time to tie.
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *ime
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: grr
[10:36] Rosie Gray: well he didn't answer me
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn can't type
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I'd go for the approach using both a notecard and an email
[10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know I'm always missing notecards and IMs lol
[10:37] Sonja Strom: if I can help, I will
[10:37] Sonja Strom: it has been a while
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: we were talking about all the empty shops in NFS
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: and how we can make them look less abandomned
[10:38] Rosie Gray: yes they give a very poor impression
[10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm all for supporting a*very nice* email/notecard to all empty shops and telling the citizen that we're volunteering to improve how those shops look, if they allow us.
[10:38] Pip Torok: one possible way ... advertise them as residential dwellings?
[10:38] Rosie Gray: but what about the zoning?
[10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: right.
[10:39] Pip Torok: yes
[10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well.... I believe nothing *forces* them to be shops.
[10:39] Rosie Gray: I guess they can be shops or residential, there
[10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nor even shops *in use*
[10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes....
[10:39] Lilith Ivory: you can advertise them as whatever you want, but as long as they look like empty shops it won´t help
[10:39] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true, Lilith!
[10:39] Rosie Gray: exactly Lilith
[10:40] Rosie Gray: with all the same buildings on them
[10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[10:40] Lilith Ivory: there should be some residental fachwerks for sale
[10:40] Rosie Gray: they just look abandoned
[10:40] Sonja Strom: I thought they had to have a commercial purpose
[10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn knows she has a standard Fachwerk down the valley, mostly empty — I need the prims from that plot !
[10:40] Sonja Strom: in the covenant
[10:40] Sonja Strom: there are fachwerk houses for sale in my shop
[10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[10:40] Lilith Ivory: the prims are another problem
[10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes, Lilith
[10:41] Rosie Gray: you can make it look like something though, even if you don't use all the prims
[10:41] Rosie Gray: my building is for sale too
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: also, the Old Quarter (Altenstadt) is still undeveloped, right?
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn tries to move the camera
[10:41] Sonja Strom: mostly, yes
[10:41] Rosie Gray: oh where is that?
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is there a reason for that?
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh.... across the arch
[10:41] Sonja Strom: we could go there and look at it
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the clock tower
[10:41] Lilith Ivory: nothing against a nice lawn
[10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure
[10:42] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well... *if* we go ahead with the idea of having a communal mini-mall... and a Service Hall.... we need to pick places for those
[10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Preferably from existing public spaces that are underused
[10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: example: the ground floor of the Praetorium
[10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I suppose we can't use the Kirche... lol
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: I was thinking about renting it out for weddings
[10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ooooooooooooooooh
[10:43] Rosie Gray: that building so needs to be remade
[10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh yes it does, Rosie!
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: we´d have to advertise that
[10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's probably the oldest church in SL now!
[10:43] Rosie Gray: yes lol
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: that´s something!
[10:43] Pip Torok: I'm sure it is!
[10:43] Sonja Strom: yes, I think it is
[10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: there was a minor remodellation made by Kendra a few years ago...
[10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Moon also helped a bit... but that was in 2006 or 2007...
[10:44] Sonja Strom: I have met the original builder of it
[10:44] Lilith Ivory: there are more ugly buildings in NFS
[10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true lol
[10:44] Pip Torok: btw will there be permission problems in remodelling it?
[10:44] Sonja Strom: he is in my friends list
[10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the builder of the Kirche actually pops in every other year or so to see if it's still around
[10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: possibly, Pip
[10:44] Rosie Gray: that's not much of a committment!
[10:45] Pip Torok: ah! good!
[10:45] Sonja Strom: yes, that's how we met
[10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I remember that discussion in 2006/7 We could remove prims from the Kirche, but not change the existing ones
[10:45] Sonja Strom: he is no longer in SL very much
[10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No... he isn't
[10:45] Rosie Gray: it needs to be remade from scratch I think
[10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a pity! he was quite talented.... for 2004 hehe
[10:45] Rosie Gray: yes I'm sure!
[10:45] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:45] Sonja Strom: yes
[10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm afraid you're right, Rosie....
[10:46] Rosie Gray: but now it's so dated, and is one of the first things you see
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: I´d sugest to take care about the schloss first
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the same will have to happen to a lot of other buildings here
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know...
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and yes, the Schloss is a priority
[10:46] Rosie Gray: oh yes the Schloss too
[10:46] Rosie Gray: definately
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: then the Rathaus...
[10:46] Rosie Gray: but... okay
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and at some point, we'll have to redo the MoCA as well, it's also hopelessly dated
[10:46] Rosie Gray: everyone knows these need to be done
[10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (it will be our 6th MoCA )
[10:46] Pip Torok: any chance of an open letter to Phillip L while he's in his honeymoon period ... on ownership-continuity?
[10:46] Lilith Ivory likes church and rathaus
[10:46] Sonja Strom: he was kind of disappointed that it had been so secularised
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: somehow
[10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: how so, Pip?
[10:47] Sonja Strom: he wanted it to be a really christian church
[10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah!
[10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well... in those days, we were pretty much against promoting a religion over any other hehe
[10:47] Pip Torok: well how LL can move permission say to the EO in exceptional circumstances ... like the Kirche
[10:47] Sonja Strom: I was a little surprised he was that way
[10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so this was just a "generic sacred space"
[10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha Pip — no, Philip would never agree to that
[10:48] Sonja Strom: yes, right
[10:48] Rosie Gray: generic = boring
[10:48] Pip Torok: ((
[10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww Rosie
[10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't think it's THAt boring!
[10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Dated, surely.
[10:48] Rosie Gray: I do
[10:48] Rosie Gray: sorry
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: if it realy it the oldest church in SL we should be careful with changing it
[10:49] Rosie Gray: if it's meant to be a cathedral, shouldn't it be dripping in little statues and gold and other stuff
[10:49] Sonja Strom: I kind of like the chuch
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: me also
[10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe if the Kirche is rebuilt as a Christian church, I'll make sure I'll be allowed to build a Tibetan Buddhist temple too
[10:49] Sonja Strom: not everything about it -
[10:49] Pip Torok: rococo ...!!?
[10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, but it's supposed to be a Gothic church.... early Gothic at that
[10:49] Rosie Gray: well if I was building it, I'd make one based on a German gothic
[10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it is actually based on the existing church in ROthenburg
[10:50] Lilith Ivory: it looks way like that already
[10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Quite adapted of course
[10:50] Rosie Gray nods
[10:50] Rosie Gray: okay well I can see this is delicate territory
[10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[10:50] Rosie Gray laughs
[10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well no! I think that everybody agrees on the following:
[10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) It's hopelessly dated.
[10:50] Lilith Ivory: also a rebuild church won´t be more traffic for the merchants
[10:50] Pip Torok: <preserves a discreet silence >
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) It has odd textures, which generate lag, and they're dated too
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (e.g. the photosourced golden doors)
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3) It's WAY too primmy!
[10:51] Rosie Gray: and the doors are badly scripted
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And if you're being picky.... there are some completely impossible details
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: true, Rosie!
[10:51] Rosie Gray nods enthusiastically
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. the oval rosette is architecturally impossible
[10:52] Rosie Gray: I always wonder what the central thing is meant to be, where an alter would be traditionally
[10:52] Rosie Gray: I can't tell what it is even
[10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's an allegoric representation of the Cosmos
[10:52] Rosie Gray: oh
[10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not really joking.... that's what it's supposed to be hehe
[10:53] Sonja Strom: I have wondered that too
[10:53] Rosie Gray: ah there you go!
[10:53] Sonja Strom: I think I found out by asking people until Gwyn tolde me what it is
[10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha! there is an old discussion around that... "if you can't recognise something that is supposed to be art, is it art really, or just something poorly executed?"
[10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Artists discuss that for half a century at least
[10:53] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:53] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh I should write an article on the Church for the CDS Historical Society....
[10:54] Rosie Gray: but it's meant to be something in a church, not an abstract art object
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: there are some.... intriguing details. Like the cemetery!
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
[10:54] Sonja Strom: good idea
[10:54] Rosie Gray takes things very literally sometimes
[10:54] Rosie Gray: oh yes the cemetary is a good idea
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The idea was that the notion of Universe, Cosmos, etc. is common across all religions, and not specifically tied to any.
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: anyway.... I'm being called iRL
[10:55] Pip Torok: also if we insist it is a church someone might ask where the altar is!!
[10:55] Sonja Strom: let's walk to the Altenburg area...
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry!
[10:55] Sonja Strom: and look at it
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll let you go to Altenstadt....
[10:55] Pip Torok: ok
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's worth the visit
[10:55] Sonja Strom: oh yes, you have an RL...
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn remembers the day it had a Cabaret Waaaay more fun
[10:55] Sonja Strom: I fogot abou that
[10:55] Rosie Gray: okay have a good day Gwyneth!
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lots of shops two, It was the secondary commerce district for NFS.
[10:55] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to bring this meeting to an end soon
[10:55] Sonja Strom: forgot
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you too
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye bye!
[10:55] Pip Torok: cheers Gwyn
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: have been here for 3 hours and getting quite hungry
[10:56] Sonja Strom: bye !
[10:56] Rosie Gray: oh Lilith!
[10:56] Rosie Gray: \lol
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:56] Sonja Strom: hungry, in a pub?
[10:56] Sonja Strom: hmm, what to do
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: well lol
[10:56] Rosie Gray passes a jar of pickled eggs
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: I´m REALy hungry
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:56] Sonja Strom: hahaa!
[10:56] Lilith Ivory: those prims never last long
[10:56] Rosie Gray: this is the SL diet plan!
[10:57] Lilith Ivory: yea
[10:57] Sonja Strom: yes, true
[10:57] Sonja Strom: Rosie, want to go look at that one area?
[10:57] Pip Torok: yes
[10:57] Lilith Ivory: feel free to stay here and if there are more idea to increase traffic feel free to tell me
[10:57] Rosie Gray: well I'd go have a look at Altenburg area
[10:57] Lilith Ivory: also there will be more meetings to better times I hope
[10:58] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:58] Sonja Strom: thanks for hosting the meeting Lilith!
[10:58] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:58] Sonja Strom: see you soon
[10:58] Lilith Ivory: thank you all for coming
[10:58] Rosie Gray: thanks Lilith
[10:58] Lilith Ivory: I´ll post the transcript and also a summary
[10:58] Sonja Strom: thanks
[10:58] Sonja Strom: bye!