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June 18, 2018 RA Transcript

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[2018/06/18 10:16] Bagheera Kristan: okay - good morning everyone. Welcome to the RA meeting
[2018/06/18 10:16] Bagheera Kristan: I am calling this meeting to order
[2018/06/18 10:16] Bagheera Kristan: The Agenda is in the box on the table - please touch the box to receive the Agenda
[2018/06/18 10:18] Bagheera Kristan: If anyone wants to speak, please use the talking stick to add your name
[2018/06/18 10:18] Tanoujin Milestone: I have an administrative item, Madame LRA
[2018/06/18 10:18] Bagheera Kristan: Does anyone have any changes or questions about the agenda
[2018/06/18 10:18] Bagheera Kristan: Yes, Tan?
[2018/06/18 10:18] Tanoujin Milestone: please insert brief discussion on the fact that we can not vote on legislation today because the nc 24 h beforehand is missing
[2018/06/18 10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: done
[2018/06/18 10:19] Bagheera Kristan: oops, thank you
[2018/06/18 10:19] Bixyl Shuftan: Thank you Hannah, and welcome Bagjeera
[2018/06/18 10:19] Bagheera Kristan: I posted it on the forums but forgot to send out the notecard, my apologies. So noted
[2018/06/18 10:19] Lilith Ivory: it is important to inform our citizens 24h before hand a meeting takes place so interested citizen can attend
[2018/06/18 10:20] Lilith Ivory: /me smiles and nods
[2018/06/18 10:20] Tanoujin Milestone: a discussion only meeting will not kill us
[2018/06/18 10:20] Tanoujin Milestone: and we avoid our decisions been stopped by the SC
[2018/06/18 10:20] Lilith Ivory: as you are here you can as good talk I think :)
[2018/06/18 10:20] Bagheera Kristan: well, at least we know what to talk about next time - and actually there are a lot of things that need discussion prior to a vote anyways
[2018/06/18 10:21] Bagheera Kristan: thank you and I apologize
[2018/06/18 10:21] Lilith Ivory: it´s ok :)
[2018/06/18 10:21] Bagheera Kristan: well then let's talk
[2018/06/18 10:21] Tanoujin Milestone: would had happened to me as well, Bags
[2018/06/18 10:21] Lilith Ivory: sadly I have to leave in 10 minutes as I mixed mondey and tuesday :)
[2018/06/18 10:21] Tanoujin Milestone: *have
[2018/06/18 10:22] Bagheera Kristan: I don't believe there were minutes from the last meeting because it was just swearing in RA members, is that correct?
[2018/06/18 10:22] Tanoujin Milestone: i have seen none - nevertheless I miss te
[2018/06/18 10:22] Bagheera Kristan: Rosie?
[2018/06/18 10:23] Tanoujin Milestone: the transcript of the swearing in too :)
[2018/06/18 10:23] Lilith Ivory: /me blushes
[2018/06/18 10:23] Tanoujin Milestone: ups, sorry
[2018/06/18 10:23] Rosie Gray: yes just a swearing in
[2018/06/18 10:23] Rosie Gray: which Lilith posted, I believe
[2018/06/18 10:23] Lilith Ivory: I admit I am not perfet either
[2018/06/18 10:23] Bagheera Kristan: okay, thank you
[2018/06/18 10:23] Lilith Ivory: (should have posted)
[2018/06/18 10:23] Rosie Gray: oh ;)
[2018/06/18 10:23] Bagheera Kristan: lol, it is the first full meeting so a good chance for ironing out things, lol, no worries
[2018/06/18 10:23] Lilith Ivory: till Bags took the chair
[2018/06/18 10:24] Bagheera Kristan: okay, well, there are lots of things on the agenda we can talk about and then come together to vote on tnext time.
[2018/06/18 10:24] Bagheera Kristan: The Chancellor, Han, has posted a budget and may also have other things to report. Han, it is your turn - for the Executive Report
[2018/06/18 10:24] Bagheera Kristan: the floor is yours, when you are ready
[2018/06/18 10:25] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thanks!
[2018/06/18 10:25] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): First, please excuse me, this may be a little rambly -I'll try to keep it succinct, though.
[2018/06/18 10:25] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): First, we have our SLB15 exhibit up, I want to thank Kyoko for her help, advice and lovely crystal contributions ...as well as a lot of the cds displays she helped out with
[2018/06/18 10:26] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): So thank you, Kyoko
[2018/06/18 10:26] Bagheera Kristan: *claps*
[2018/06/18 10:26] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me applauds Kyoko
[2018/06/18 10:26] Rosie Gray: nice
[2018/06/18 10:26] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): jololahity
[2018/06/18 10:26] Brooke Brandenburg: Bravo!
[2018/06/18 10:27] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Secondly...the budget. You're aware I posted that *smiles* so from here I'll turn it over to you, and make whatever changes y'all need me to in order to approve it
[2018/06/18 10:27] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Han. I personally haven't had a chance to look it over having only seen it posted this morning. does any other RA member have questions for Han on the budget at this time?
[2018/06/18 10:27] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): ...Third, I want to call an Advertising commision to gather ideas for places we can advertise at, events we can join to raise our profile, that sort of thing. I expect to call that in mid july or early august
[2018/06/18 10:28] Bagheera Kristan: oops sorry, please go on, han
[2018/06/18 10:28] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thank you, Bagheera :)
[2018/06/18 10:28] Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
[2018/06/18 10:28] Tanoujin Milestone: *paw
[2018/06/18 10:28] Bagheera Kristan: ((sees Tan, waiting to see if Han is done))
[2018/06/18 10:29] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): ...lastly, I need to have a talk with the EM team, the LRA and the Dean of the SC. I have to figure out what a good day is IRL for all of us to meet and then I will set the time. If you haven't sent me your email address yet PLEASE DO SO.
[2018/06/18 10:29] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done
[2018/06/18 10:29] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Questions?
[2018/06/18 10:29] Bagheera Kristan: Tan?
[2018/06/18 10:29] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): (I should probalby simply hand the floor back to Madame LRA, huh?)
[2018/06/18 10:29] Tanoujin Milestone: i see y deficit of about 50 US$ on your Budget, is that correct?
[2018/06/18 10:29] Brooke Brandenburg: what is EM?
[2018/06/18 10:29] Tanoujin Milestone: Estate Manager
[2018/06/18 10:29] Brooke Brandenburg: oops sorry
[2018/06/18 10:30] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me nods agreeing with Tanoujin
[2018/06/18 10:30] Tanoujin Milestone: /me nods back
[2018/06/18 10:30] Tanoujin Milestone: ookay, with me, thank you, done
[2018/06/18 10:30] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): :)
[2018/06/18 10:30] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Lilith Ivory
[2018/06/18 10:30] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2018/06/18 10:30] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Tan, Lilith?
[2018/06/18 10:30] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): To answer your question
[2018/06/18 10:30] Bagheera Kristan: oh wait, sorry, please wait Lilith
[2018/06/18 10:30] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I don't believe so, the spreadsheet I've made shows a positive balance. Done
[2018/06/18 10:31] Bagheera Kristan: Go ahead Lilith
[2018/06/18 10:31] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, ic!
[2018/06/18 10:31] Lilith Ivory: as you mentioned LRA, Dean and Chancellor so nicely in a sentence I wanted to remind you it is the duty of the chancellor to organise those monthly Government question hours where one of each body attends :)
[2018/06/18 10:31] Lilith Ivory: done
[2018/06/18 10:32] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Lilith. Rosie, I saw you raise your hand
[2018/06/18 10:32] Bagheera Kristan: go ahead Rosie
[2018/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: yes thank you
[2018/06/18 10:32] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Noted, Madame Dean; there will be a Government hour this month. Done :)
[2018/06/18 10:32] Lilith Ivory: thank you Han :)
[2018/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: on the proposed budget
[2018/06/18 10:33] Rosie Gray: I think that it would be prudent to discuss the SSL certificate with Mizou before assuming that we will need to pay. As noted on the forum discussion about it, it may be possible for her to initiate one for free
[2018/06/18 10:33] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I'd like to respond to that when you're done :)
[2018/06/18 10:33] Rosie Gray: which would be preferable ㋡
[2018/06/18 10:33] Rosie Gray: okay, done
[2018/06/18 10:34] Bagheera Kristan: go ahead Han
[2018/06/18 10:34] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thanks. That is one of the items which I have allocated money for in the event we need it. The other item is the Advertising Commision. Allocating funds doesn't necessarily mean I intend to spend them.
[2018/06/18 10:34] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): If we can find a free way to resolve the cert issue
[2018/06/18 10:34] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): we'll take it
[2018/06/18 10:35] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Does that answer your concern?
[2018/06/18 10:35] Rosie Gray: sort of
[2018/06/18 10:35] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Sort of?
[2018/06/18 10:36] Rosie Gray: if you can just have that conversation with Mizou, perhaps you can take it out of the budget and that money could be assigned to something else. But of course I take your point.
[2018/06/18 10:36] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Ah, if Mizou comes up with another solution, then we'll go with her recommendation probably
[2018/06/18 10:36] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): as long as the problem is solved
[2018/06/18 10:36] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): if we don't spend the money -it'll be there for the next term :)
[2018/06/18 10:36] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2018/06/18 10:37] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I simply want it *in the event* we need it
[2018/06/18 10:37] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): instead of needing it, but not having access to it
[2018/06/18 10:37] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Is that clearer?
[2018/06/18 10:37] Rosie Gray: yes that's fine thank you
[2018/06/18 10:37] Bagheera Kristan: Alright, are there any more questions for the Executive?
[2018/06/18 10:37] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): My pleasure. Any other concerns y'all would like me to address?
[2018/06/18 10:38] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): (sorry for stepping on your toes, Madame LRA :( )
[2018/06/18 10:38] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2018/06/18 10:38] Bagheera Kristan: yes Rosie?
[2018/06/18 10:38] Rosie Gray: sorry, just noticed
[2018/06/18 10:38] Rosie Gray: you don't have funds there for an Oktoberfest event?
[2018/06/18 10:38] Rosie Gray: not planning one?
[2018/06/18 10:38] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I do...but they're included with a different event...
[2018/06/18 10:38] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I am planning on one, yes.
[2018/06/18 10:39] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): one sec, let me check the spreadsheet
[2018/06/18 10:39] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): The 12500/italian festival is the event budget for the month of Oct; I was planning on taking the Octoberfest funds from that
[2018/06/18 10:40] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I'd be happy to seperate it out for easier readability
[2018/06/18 10:40] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I apologize -that was sloopy of me. I am sorry
[2018/06/18 10:40] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done
[2018/06/18 10:40] Rosie Gray: I would like that if you don't mind, as the Oktoberfest event is traditionally an important thing for the CDS.
[2018/06/18 10:41] Lilith Ivory: /me waves bye and poofs
[2018/06/18 10:41] Bagheera Kristan: Are you done, Rosie?
[2018/06/18 10:41] Bagheera Kristan: bye Lilith
[2018/06/18 10:41] Rosie Gray: yes done, thanks
[2018/06/18 10:41] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me waves to Lilith :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Bixyl Shuftan: /me waves back
[2018/06/18 10:41] Rosie Gray: hi Moonrise ㋡
[2018/06/18 10:41] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Moonrise :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I don't mind at all, Rosie :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Ϻơơƞɽɩŝɛ (Moonrise Azalee): heya. :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, thank you. does anyone else have any questions for the Executive?
[2018/06/18 10:41] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): Bye Lilith
[2018/06/18 10:41] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Hi, Moonrise :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hi Moonrise
[2018/06/18 10:41] Ϻơơƞɽɩŝɛ (Moonrise Azalee): hullo :)
[2018/06/18 10:41] Brooke Brandenburg: Hey Moonrise
[2018/06/18 10:41] Bixyl Shuftan: Hello Moonrise
[2018/06/18 10:42] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, seeing as there are non, moving on the the Election of the RA representative to the LUC. We cannot vote today, but let me say...
[2018/06/18 10:42] Ϻơơƞɽɩŝɛ (Moonrise Azalee): /me waves to Bixyl and Brooke
[2018/06/18 10:43] Bagheera Kristan: I was the LUC rep last term, but I don't think it is good form for the LRA to be repping anything else
[2018/06/18 10:43] Tanoujin Milestone: that's true
[2018/06/18 10:43] Bagheera Kristan: so I would respectfully ask if there are nominations for someone besides myself
[2018/06/18 10:44] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me wonders waht the LUC is
[2018/06/18 10:44] Bagheera Kristan: and we can follow up and vote next meeting, but plesae think about it for now and if you want to serve or nominate
[2018/06/18 10:44] Rosie Gray: I'd like to volunteer
[2018/06/18 10:44] Bagheera Kristan: The LUC is the Land Use Committee
[2018/06/18 10:44] Tanoujin Milestone: the Land Use Commission, Kik
[2018/06/18 10:44] Bagheera Kristan: thank you Rosie
[2018/06/18 10:44] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): ah ok..sorry
[2018/06/18 10:44] Rosie Gray: good to ask, Kiki!
[2018/06/18 10:44] Bagheera Kristan: nothing to be sorry for, we have lots of acronymn and we forget they are not obvious, lol
[2018/06/18 10:44] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me smiles
[2018/06/18 10:44] Tanoujin Milestone: no reason to apologize, you have a right to know what is going on
[2018/06/18 10:45] Bagheera Kristan: There is a law passed a couple years ago establishing a Land Use Commission - I'll dig up the link and pass it to you later, Kiki - before the next meeting
[2018/06/18 10:45] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): Thanks , Bagheera :)
[2018/06/18 10:46] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, so Rosie has volunteered (thank you Rosie!) are there any other nominations or volunteers at this time?
[2018/06/18 10:47] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, so I don't have any residual business to report on the LUC, in general. Is there anyone else here representing the LUC who has anything to report?
[2018/06/18 10:47] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me raises my hand slightly
[2018/06/18 10:47] Drew (HGDREWCAUNTER Resident): is online.
[2018/06/18 10:47] Bagheera Kristan: yes, Han?
[2018/06/18 10:48] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Speaking as the executive branch ...the LUC has been on Haitus for a while, as a result I have not picked out anyone to represent the executive branch. I don't mind putting out the call for volunteers (or suggestions) but I don't have anyone for the LUC at this moment.
[2018/06/18 10:48] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done
[2018/06/18 10:48] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Han. Anyone else regarding the LUC?
[2018/06/18 10:49] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2018/06/18 10:49] Bagheera Kristan: yes Rosie?
[2018/06/18 10:49] Rosie Gray: yes just to say that either we reconvene the LUC or we get rid of it. There's no purpose in keeping it on the books if it never meets or does anything.
[2018/06/18 10:50] Bagheera Kristan: Duly noted. i will add it to the next meetings agenda.
[2018/06/18 10:50] Rosie Gray: So, if I end up being the RA's representative on the LUC, then I will make it a mission to make sure it does something :D
[2018/06/18 10:50] Rosie Gray: done
[2018/06/18 10:50] Bagheera Kristan: right, thank you
[2018/06/18 10:50] Bagheera Kristan: okay, Tan?
[2018/06/18 10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: who is the overseeing body of the LUC?
[2018/06/18 10:51] Rosie Gray: good question
[2018/06/18 10:51] Tanoujin Milestone: sigh, done
[2018/06/18 10:51] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[2018/06/18 10:51] Ϻơơƞɽɩŝɛ (Moonrise Azalee): Hey Pip.
[2018/06/18 10:51] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Pip
[2018/06/18 10:51] Rosie Gray: hi Pip ㋡
[2018/06/18 10:51] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Hi, Pip :)
[2018/06/18 10:51] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hi Pip
[2018/06/18 10:51] Pip Torok: hi all
[2018/06/18 10:51] Bagheera Kristan: I was going to dig up the law for Kiki - I believe the SC makes sure it runs smoothly but it reports to the chancellor (this is from memory)
[2018/06/18 10:52] Brooke Brandenburg: Howdy Pip
[2018/06/18 10:52] Bixyl Shuftan: Hello Pip
[2018/06/18 10:52] Bagheera Kristan: we can discuss this more at the mext meeting.
[2018/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: SECTION I: FORMATION OF A STANDING LAND-USE COMMISSION

The Representative Assembly (RA), in accord with its constitutionally mandated service role to “perform long term planning,” shall establish a permanent commission, called the CDS Land-Use Commission (hereinafter called “the Commission”), to advise on the regulation of such use in the Confederation of Democratic Simulators (hereinafter called “CDS”). Which Land-Use shall be hereafter defined as: Any manipulation of, or activity within, the three-dimensional Second Life grid including, but not limited to, region purchase and placement, terraforming, object placement, textures, as well as the type of activities for which said environment shall be used. Said authority shall be vested with the Commission, within the CDS estate in the present Second Life Grid, its territories in an SL2, or another grid upon which CDS establishes a presence..
[2018/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: briefly, that should answer the question
[2018/06/18 10:52] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Rosie
[2018/06/18 10:53] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, moving on.... is there a Report from the Road Committee?
[2018/06/18 10:53] Rosie Gray: No there isn't, sadly it has not met either. :(
[2018/06/18 10:53] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, thank you.
[2018/06/18 10:53] Bagheera Kristan: Citizen concerns? please use the talking stick to get added to the list
[2018/06/18 10:54] Bagheera Kristan: I don't see any names, so moving on...
[2018/06/18 10:54] Bagheera Kristan: RA member concerns?
[2018/06/18 10:54] Pip Torok: Thanks !!
[2018/06/18 10:55] Bagheera Kristan: okay, I don't see any names, so moving on...
[2018/06/18 10:55] Bagheera Kristan: Old Business.. CDSL 24-01 Responsible Estate Management Act....
[2018/06/18 10:55] Bagheera Kristan: Last term, I compiled a summary based on discussions held both inworld and on the forums...
[2018/06/18 10:56] Bagheera Kristan: I compiled that list into a series of textures that are in a notecard that you received at the same time you got your agenda from the box
[2018/06/18 10:56] Bagheera Kristan: I made it as a table - I have been working to translate that into a structure to share on the forums
[2018/06/18 10:57] Bagheera Kristan: but for now, at least you can see a graphical representation of the options
[2018/06/18 10:57] Bagheera Kristan: We cannot vote at this time, so I suggest we table this discussion - and hopefully - before the next meeting - I'll figure out how to make it a table to share on the forums so everyone can see it
[2018/06/18 10:57] Pip Torok: hi bixyl
[2018/06/18 10:58] Bagheera Kristan: Does anyone want to talk about this at this time? please add your name to the list...
[2018/06/18 10:59] Bagheera Kristan: okay, no names, so moving on....
[2018/06/18 10:59] Bagheera Kristan: New Business - CDSL 21-05 Tier collection and Land Reclamation Act
[2018/06/18 11:00] Bagheera Kristan: there are two things - the law currently refers to Hippo and how that system worked - we are using Casper now which also behaves a little differently, so it would be good to update the law.....this actually came up before, but for some reason the discussion didn't get finished...
[2018/06/18 11:01] Bagheera Kristan: Secondly, the notecard notification of people who miss tier is actually a tiresome burden on the Chancellor and EMs - and it woul be good to explore ways to lighten that load
[2018/06/18 11:01] Bagheera Kristan: for now, since w can't vote - this is just discussion.
[2018/06/18 11:01] Bagheera Kristan: Would anyone like to talk about this at this time?
[2018/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2018/06/18 11:02] Bagheera Kristan: Yes, Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2018/06/18 11:02] Tanoujin Milestone: i can not open the link
[2018/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: firstly, removing the name of Hippo is a no-brainer ㋡
[2018/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: the other thing about the notecards
[2018/06/18 11:03] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): I cannot open the link either, it says it is not private and may be dangerous
[2018/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: I would like to just say that it is an onerous task on the Chancellor to create all of those notecards
[2018/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: just bypass that Kiki
[2018/06/18 11:03] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): ok
[2018/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: it's not dangerous, it's our website and that's why we need an SSL certificate ㋡
[2018/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: anyway back to the notecards
[2018/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: also, the highly specific times required to send them is also very constricting
[2018/06/18 11:04] Rosie Gray: for me as Chancellor, I had to devote hours and hours to sending these notecards
[2018/06/18 11:04] Rosie Gray: I don't have it at my fingertips right now, but I think there were hundreds of notecards I sent out in the last 6 months
[2018/06/18 11:04] Rosie Gray: so while of course we need to follow up with people
[2018/06/18 11:05] Rosie Gray: I don't think it should be such an onerous task on the Chancellor... it leaves so little time to do anything else!
[2018/06/18 11:05] Rosie Gray: :D
[2018/06/18 11:05] Rosie Gray: we do need guidelines, and we do need to follow up with people. but I'm sure it can be simplified.
[2018/06/18 11:05] Rosie Gray: done
[2018/06/18 11:06] Brooke Brandenburg: /me raises her hand
[2018/06/18 11:06] Gareth Kanarik: is online.
[2018/06/18 11:06] Bagheera Kristan: Right ! Thank you Rosie. One thing I had noticed and remembered is that the requirements for notecards came about because Hippo was breaking down and becoming unreliable. the verbiage in the law actually talks about that as the reason why. My thought is that Casper is much more reliable about sending out notifications so the need for notecards can be less stringent.
[2018/06/18 11:06] Bagheera Kristan: yes, Brooke - go ahead
[2018/06/18 11:07] Brooke Brandenburg: thank you
[2018/06/18 11:07] Brooke Brandenburg: Can the warnings not be automated?
[2018/06/18 11:07] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /hand
[2018/06/18 11:07] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me raises my hand
[2018/06/18 11:07] Bagheera Kristan: The warnings are automated - see my comment above - :) does that answer your question, Brooke?
[2018/06/18 11:08] Brooke Brandenburg: I think I was typing same time....let me look
[2018/06/18 11:08] Brooke Brandenburg: ah yes!
[2018/06/18 11:08] Brooke Brandenburg: thank you
[2018/06/18 11:08] Brooke Brandenburg: done
[2018/06/18 11:08] Bagheera Kristan: smiles - go ahead Han
[2018/06/18 11:09] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thank you. I have a suggestion that I'd like to put out there. In my mind the hardest part of sending out the
[2018/06/18 11:09] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): notecards is keeping track of who I've cc'd copies to. Did I remember to send one to Tan? Did I send two to Rosie on accident
[2018/06/18 11:09] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): that kind of thing
[2018/06/18 11:09] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): What I'd like to see
[2018/06/18 11:10] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Would be a scripted solution -whoever's chancellor simply drops the notecard on the resident who's behind, then drops a copy on a prim which then forwards it to the other folks on the EM team.
[2018/06/18 11:10] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I've read some LL calls, I think it could be done -but I'm not a scripter. I couldn't write it
[2018/06/18 11:10] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done
[2018/06/18 11:10] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you, Han. does anyone else have anything to add to the discussion at this time?
[2018/06/18 11:11] Rosie Gray: perhaps we can draft up languange on the forums, to change?
[2018/06/18 11:11] Bagheera Kristan: Would you like to start that forum discussion, Rosie?
[2018/06/18 11:12] Rosie Gray: I will, yes
[2018/06/18 11:12] Bagheera Kristan: Great! thank you.
[2018/06/18 11:12] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): Does it happen much that people are late with tiers?
[2018/06/18 11:13] Bagheera Kristan: yes, it happens a fair amount, Kiki
[2018/06/18 11:13] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me should throw them in prison for a week or so
[2018/06/18 11:13] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2018/06/18 11:13] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hehe
[2018/06/18 11:13] Brooke Brandenburg: you said it Kiki!
[2018/06/18 11:13] Pip Torok: !!! :)
[2018/06/18 11:13] 恭子 Kyoko (Samara Barzane): /me giggles
[2018/06/18 11:13] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Would exile work? That's not uncommon :3
[2018/06/18 11:13] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me grins
[2018/06/18 11:13] Bagheera Kristan: ah, well sometimes rl interferes. We've had citizens who had rl crisis or illness or just couldn't get online
[2018/06/18 11:14] Rosie Gray: yes that's true
[2018/06/18 11:14] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): then it is understandable
[2018/06/18 11:14] Pip Torok: imo a dangerous course ... exiles become resentful
[2018/06/18 11:14] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me but in all other cases... send them into the tunnel with the zombies..
[2018/06/18 11:14] Bagheera Kristan: Many people who are late with tier are long term citizens, solid members of the community
[2018/06/18 11:14] Bagheera Kristan: ha ha
[2018/06/18 11:15] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): /me nods toward Pip "indeed... but if they're in exile for falling behind in rent, who should they resent?" *smiles*
[2018/06/18 11:15] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): (rather for letting their rent expire, not just being behind -but Iv'e said too much!)
[2018/06/18 11:15] Bagheera Kristan: well, we don't want to turn CDS into a place for punishment, there are already many established places in SL for that
[2018/06/18 11:15] Bagheera Kristan: lol
[2018/06/18 11:15] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hehe
[2018/06/18 11:15] Pip Torok: dont forget there cd hav been technical reasons for a delay in tier-payment
[2018/06/18 11:15] Brooke Brandenburg: renters DO have a responsibility
[2018/06/18 11:15] Bagheera Kristan: exactly, Pip
[2018/06/18 11:16] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Well, we're more than happy to be very lenient, especially with folks who are willing to talk to us :)
[2018/06/18 11:16] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me agrees with Brooke
[2018/06/18 11:16] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me and with Han
[2018/06/18 11:16] Brooke Brandenburg: High5 Kiki!
[2018/06/18 11:16] Brooke Brandenburg: lol
[2018/06/18 11:16] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): heh
[2018/06/18 11:17] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): jololahity
[2018/06/18 11:17] Pip Torok: but what if the tech reason stops communication as well>
[2018/06/18 11:17] Bagheera Kristan: The Casper system is designed to make sure people who pay late pay everything in arrears - so CDS is not actually harmed by late payments over the short term - but the notification system is quite onerous for the Executive
[2018/06/18 11:17] Bagheera Kristan: okay, moving on....
[2018/06/18 11:18] Bagheera Kristan: Estate management guidelines for linking estate owned prims... 5c on the Agenda ....
[2018/06/18 11:19] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
[2018/06/18 11:19] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): what about 5b?
[2018/06/18 11:19] Rosie Gray: what about 5b?
[2018/06/18 11:19] Bagheera Kristan: oops soryr
[2018/06/18 11:19] Bagheera Kristan: you're right
[2018/06/18 11:19] onionpencil Musashi: is online.
[2018/06/18 11:19] Bagheera Kristan: my bad (MOUSE!)
[2018/06/18 11:19] Bagheera Kristan: 5b - Suggested changes to Neufriedstadt infrastructure
[2018/06/18 11:20] Bagheera Kristan: Sudane has been doing some amazing building with a vision to updating the walled part of NFS
[2018/06/18 11:21] Bagheera Kristan: She has proposed some ideas on the forums - specifically extending occupancy areas beyond parcel boundaries and perhaps looking at rentals versus parcel ownership within the city limits or defined areas of the sim
[2018/06/18 11:21] Bagheera Kristan: The floor is open for discussion on this, plesae use the talking stick to get on the list
[2018/06/18 11:21] Bagheera Kristan: yes, Han, please go ahead
[2018/06/18 11:23] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I think that the rental model proposed might be good for the platz itself, but bad for the entire city walls. With the platz, the fachs are intended to be commercial so they don't need a lot of the niceities (eg parcel stream) that renters traditionally expect. As I understand it, under a rental model folks in the more residential faches (eg closer to the walls) wouldn't be able to customize their stream, parcel name, etc
[2018/06/18 11:23] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): ...I think that would end up being very unpopular with potential citizens
[2018/06/18 11:23] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): and a nightmare for Estate Managers to explain and/or manage
[2018/06/18 11:23] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): done.
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[2018/06/18 11:23] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Han. Rosie?
[2018/06/18 11:23] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2018/06/18 11:24] Rosie Gray: I agree with what Han said about the land management part for certain parcels
[2018/06/18 11:24] Rosie Gray: I think that what Sudane is proposing might be best used for certain parcels only
[2018/06/18 11:24] Rosie Gray: not necessarily just the ones on the platz
[2018/06/18 11:24] Rosie Gray: I'm thinking of her new builds
[2018/06/18 11:24] Rosie Gray: neither of them are on the platz
[2018/06/18 11:25] Rosie Gray: both of them are very oddly shaped parcels
[2018/06/18 11:25] Rosie Gray: and she has made several entrances to the buildings
[2018/06/18 11:25] Rosie Gray: they could easily be made into rental units... yes the people wouldn't have the land control of an owner
[2018/06/18 11:25] Rosie Gray: but they might be good 'starters' for new people
[2018/06/18 11:26] Rosie Gray: I don't see why we couldn't use these really oddly shaped parcels for that
[2018/06/18 11:26] Rosie Gray: done
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[2018/06/18 11:26] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Rosie. go ahead Han
[2018/06/18 11:27] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thanks. I just want to say that it's new people who are exactly the ones who will be confused ...why can't I put my own house here? Why can't I set my own stream? Etc.
[2018/06/18 11:27] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done.
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[2018/06/18 11:27] Pip Torok: agree
[2018/06/18 11:27] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Han. Maybe ths is something for the LUC to look at... Rosie, go ahead.
[2018/06/18 11:27] Rosie Gray: yes perhaps for the LUC
[2018/06/18 11:28] Rosie Gray: but I think that most people in SL are more used ot 'renting' than actually 'owning'
[2018/06/18 11:28] Rosie Gray: especially tiny parcels
[2018/06/18 11:28] Rosie Gray: and anyone new to the CDS has to have things explained to them, you can't really get around that ㋡
[2018/06/18 11:28] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me agrees with Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:28] Rosie Gray: one thing about it is that it does highly illustrate the differences between owning and renting... something that people may tend to forget
[2018/06/18 11:28] Rosie Gray: done
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[2018/06/18 11:29] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Rosie. Go ahead Pip
[2018/06/18 11:29] Pip Torok: rosies's already made my point dona
[2018/06/18 11:29] Pip Torok: done
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[2018/06/18 11:30] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Pip. Tan, go ahead please
[2018/06/18 11:30] Tanoujin Milestone: I am not clear about the advantage perspective
[2018/06/18 11:30] Tanoujin Milestone: what is the advantage for us to run a renting system? What is the advantage for the user?
[2018/06/18 11:30] Tanoujin Milestone: done
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[2018/06/18 11:31] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Tan. Han, please go ahead
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[2018/06/18 11:31] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thank you, Bagheera. I'm unclear how this will affect citizenship. Citizenship is detirmined by parcel ownership. But we're talking rentals? What are our "renters" -Citiizens? Ciitizens-in-waiting?
[2018/06/18 11:31] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done.
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[2018/06/18 11:32] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Han. Go ahead Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:32] Rosie Gray: perhaps I can explain a bit why Sudane is proposing this
[2018/06/18 11:32] Tanoujin Milestone: :)
[2018/06/18 11:32] Rosie Gray: it's to do with the oddly shaped parcels
[2018/06/18 11:32] Rosie Gray: and the technical ability for us to keep track of rezzed prims
[2018/06/18 11:33] Rosie Gray: if these parcels become rentals, then a number of prims is assigned to the Casper system, which counts them
[2018/06/18 11:33] Rosie Gray: it would be able to count them
[2018/06/18 11:33] Rosie Gray: right now they are not connected actually to the land parcels
[2018/06/18 11:33] Rosie Gray: the land parcels themselves are the control of how many prims an owner has
[2018/06/18 11:34] Rosie Gray: so, if we had say 3 rental units, one one parcel, each unit would have the number of prims assigned for that 'apartment', or whatever you want to call it
[2018/06/18 11:34] Rosie Gray: so that's the advantage for us as the land administrators and tier collectors
[2018/06/18 11:34] Rosie Gray: to Han's point about citizenship
[2018/06/18 11:35] Rosie Gray: that would be a discussion for us to have
[2018/06/18 11:35] Rosie Gray: should a renter be a citizen or not?
[2018/06/18 11:35] Pip Torok: agree strongly
[2018/06/18 11:35] Rosie Gray: does this make sense?
[2018/06/18 11:35] Rosie Gray: done
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[2018/06/18 11:35] Tanoujin Milestone: /me scratches head
[2018/06/18 11:36] Rosie Gray: it doesn't make sense? hehe
[2018/06/18 11:36] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Rosie. We've spent 15 minutes on this topic, so I am going to suggest we take it to the forums....I am going to give Pip his say and then, if anyon else feels they need to speak now, go ahead and add yourself to the stick
[2018/06/18 11:36] Rosie Gray: /me was hopeful
[2018/06/18 11:36] Bagheera Kristan: but after that, we'll move on and take it to the forums
[2018/06/18 11:36] Tanoujin Milestone: I will ask on the forums... do not want to waste our time.... thanks for the explanation so far, Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:36] Bagheera Kristan: go ahead, Pip
[2018/06/18 11:37] Pip Torok: to reinforce r's point there ws be a fertile source of confusion /resentment if some found themselves renter vs owner or voter vs nonvoter ....
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[2018/06/18 11:38] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Pip. I'll start a thread on the forums where we can continue this discussion. Does anyone else have anything they want to add at this time?
[2018/06/18 11:38] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): I'll save it for the forums
[2018/06/18 11:38] Bagheera Kristan: okay, thank you Kiki and everyone... moving on
[2018/06/18 11:38] Pip Torok: me too
[2018/06/18 11:38] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Ditto
[2018/06/18 11:39] Bagheera Kristan: to 5c - Estate management guidelines for linking estate owned prims on private parcels....
[2018/06/18 11:39] Bagheera Kristan: this is something the previous RA approved on an experimental basis and it seems to be working out well, but there are no codified guidelines
[2018/06/18 11:39] Tanoujin Milestone: q
[2018/06/18 11:40] Bagheera Kristan: The RAs purpose is to create laws/guidelines, so I added it to the Agenda. the two sub items I added are from my own thoughts of what needs to be addressed
[2018/06/18 11:40] Bagheera Kristan: I want to open up the floor to discussion, addition, changes and etc.
[2018/06/18 11:40] Bagheera Kristan: Tan, please go ahead
[2018/06/18 11:40] Tanoujin Milestone: is this about linking prefabb houses to public land and so forth?
[2018/06/18 11:40] Bagheera Kristan: yes
[2018/06/18 11:41] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks, done
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[2018/06/18 11:41] Bagheera Kristan: go ahead Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:42] Rosie Gray: I agree that especially with the NFS project that we need to keep a close eye on the prim count. Right now it is Sudane, mostly, and of course she is doing that, but perhaps some specific guidelines would be useful
[2018/06/18 11:42] Rosie Gray: done
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[2018/06/18 11:43] Bagheera Kristan: Thank you Rosie.
[2018/06/18 11:43] Bagheera Kristan: Go ahead Han
[2018/06/18 11:43] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): I have no idea what's going on
[2018/06/18 11:43] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): What I mean is that I'm not sure what the need for this is, but I'm sitting back, reading and trying to figure it out
[2018/06/18 11:43] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Thank you :)
[2018/06/18 11:43] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Done
[2018/06/18 11:44] Bagheera Kristan: Okay, well I can expand on my thoughts.. but Tan go ahead, please
[2018/06/18 11:44] Tanoujin Milestone: correct me if I am wrong
[2018/06/18 11:45] Tanoujin Milestone: to answer Hans question, I believe the RA agreed it would be a good idea to introduce parcels like in the Linden homes, where the prefabs are linked outside so that the full prim count is for inhabitant usage
[2018/06/18 11:45] Tanoujin Milestone: a question of attracvtiveness
[2018/06/18 11:45] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2018/06/18 11:45] Tanoujin Milestone: done
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[2018/06/18 11:46] Bagheera Kristan: thank you Tan. the issue now, as I see it, is - before - if a citizen didn't like the government build on their parcel, they could remove it - sometimes they weren't supposed to and sometimes it was okay - but in all cases they could remove it
[2018/06/18 11:46] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me raises hand
[2018/06/18 11:47] Rosie Gray: hi Ranma ㋡
[2018/06/18 11:47] Bagheera Kristan: now - if it is linked outside their parcel - an executive has to remove it for them...
[2018/06/18 11:47] Bagheera Kristan: Go ahead Kiki :)
[2018/06/18 11:47] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): Hi, Ranma :)
[2018/06/18 11:47] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): what does 5ii mean?
[2018/06/18 11:47] Bagheera Kristan: 5 ii
[2018/06/18 11:47] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): 5c ii
[2018/06/18 11:47] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hi Ranma
[2018/06/18 11:48] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): without citizen-owner agreement?
[2018/06/18 11:48] Bagheera Kristan: okay, well, in some cases what has happened now is the Executive will make a sim wide decision about an installation - linking the prims on common land..
[2018/06/18 11:48] Bixyl Shuftan: Hello Ranma
[2018/06/18 11:48] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): ?
[2018/06/18 11:48] Bagheera Kristan: but the prims cross over already occupied parcels
[2018/06/18 11:48] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): ah ok
[2018/06/18 11:48] Bagheera Kristan: and the person who lives there suddenly finds their personal parcel has changed in appearance
[2018/06/18 11:48] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): done
[2018/06/18 11:49] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): (please excuse me -rl exhaustion has caught up with me. Thank you to Bixyl for coming today :) If anyone needs me quickly, I check hanheld AT yahoo DOT come several times a day. Thank you and see you all soon)
[2018/06/18 11:49] Bagheera Kristan: it is my personally held belief this shouldn't happen without asking/telling the citizen first - but right now there is no law about this situaiton, becuase this hasn't formally been moved beyond the experimental stage, but it is working out well overall, so has become a bit mainstream in practice ahead of the laws
[2018/06/18 11:49] Tanoujin Milestone: tc ahn
[2018/06/18 11:49] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): bye Han
[2018/06/18 11:49] Brooke Brandenburg: see you Han, take care!
[2018/06/18 11:49] Bagheera Kristan: thank you Han
[2018/06/18 11:50] Almut Brunswick: is online.
[2018/06/18 11:50] Bagheera Kristan: Yes, go ahead Pip
[2018/06/18 11:50] Rosie Gray: could we perhaps table this item, Bags? sorry but I am needing to leave very soon too
[2018/06/18 11:50] Bagheera Kristan: yes, let's hear Pip out first but yes, I agree
[2018/06/18 11:50] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2018/06/18 11:51] Pip Torok: in practice a citizen cd always be quietly sounded out as to how she/he feels .. and action taken / not taken accordingly
[2018/06/18 11:52] Rosie Gray: good point, Pip
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[2018/06/18 11:52] Bagheera Kristan: Alright, a request has been made to table this discussion for now.
[2018/06/18 11:52] Bagheera Kristan: let's move on to general announcements
[2018/06/18 11:52] Bagheera Kristan: and scheduling the next RA meeting
[2018/06/18 11:53] Bagheera Kristan: for which I will send out proper agenda (sorry about that!)
[2018/06/18 11:53] Tanoujin Milestone: really no problem
[2018/06/18 11:53] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2018/06/18 11:53] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): don 't we have a new meetinmg planned already for next week on the 25th same time?
[2018/06/18 11:53] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): /me or am I mistaken?
[2018/06/18 11:53] Rosie Gray: yes we do
[2018/06/18 11:53] Bagheera Kristan: oh right, lol
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: whew
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bixyl Shuftan: I need to be heading out. It was interesting listening to you
[2018/06/18 11:54] Rosie Gray: :D
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: June 25th, 10 am
[2018/06/18 11:54] Tanoujin Milestone: yay! lol
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bixyl Shuftan: /me tips his hat
[2018/06/18 11:54] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): hehe
[2018/06/18 11:54] Brooke Brandenburg: good to see you Bix!
[2018/06/18 11:54] Rosie Gray: bye Bixyl, thanks for coming
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: motion to adjour the meeting?
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bixyl Shuftan: Thank you Brooke, Rosie
[2018/06/18 11:54] Tanoujin Milestone: so moved
[2018/06/18 11:54] Pip Torok: au revoir bix
[2018/06/18 11:54] Rosie Gray: second
[2018/06/18 11:54] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): Bye Bixyl
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: do I have a second?
[2018/06/18 11:54] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): yes
[2018/06/18 11:54] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): second
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: vote please
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bixyl Shuftan: Bye and thank ou
[2018/06/18 11:54] Rosie Gray: aye
[2018/06/18 11:54] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2018/06/18 11:54] Bagheera Kristan: ayee
[2018/06/18 11:54] Kiki Whatever (InekeB Resident): aye
[2018/06/18 11:55] Bagheera Kristan: meeting is adjourned. Thank you !

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