RA Transcripts meeting #3 July 10, 2014
[19:05] Cadence Theas: Hi to everyone, we have a quorum. I had hoped to hear from Gwyn, but she did not say whether she was coming or not
[19:05] Rosie Gray: oops, meant Widget ㋡
[19:05] Cadence Theas: I would like to begin by thanking everyone for the last meeting, it was pleasant to be a part of it and pleasant to lead
[19:06] Cadence Theas: the agenda for tonights meeting is in the small iris covered box on the central table, so I invite you to get a copy
[19:06] Cadence Theas: WIdget, could I ask you the favor of sending a notice in CDS notices?
[19:06] Widget Whiteberry: of course
[19:06] Cadence Theas: ty 
[19:07] Cadence Theas: So, I call this session to order, thank you for being here
[19:08] Cadence Theas: the first order is review and approval of the agenda
[19:08] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion?
[19:08] Rosie Gray: so moved
[19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move we change the agenda
[19:08] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it doesnt have anyty tor
[19:08] Cadence Theas: to which motion tor?
[19:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thank you for the second
[19:08] Rosie Gray: which one are you seconding, Tor?
[19:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Rosie's
[19:09] Cadence Theas: Cleo, let me ask what changes you would make
[19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i put it on the forums .. did you read it ? you responded to it
[19:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: move up the new sim
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: add the issue of having our laws collated .. since Rose hasnt done that
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: increase the RA size back to how it should be
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and also
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: did you read that post ?
[19:10] Cadence Theas: yes
[19:10] Cadence Theas: but since it was last moment, I did not have a chance to include it in the agenda
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: So i suggest you add the issues from members other than your own faction of three
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have been telling you this for weeks
[19:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: in IMs
[19:11] Cadence Theas: I have asked you for the last two weeks to do this task
[19:11] Rosie Gray: point of order
[19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: shall i get my ims of us speaking out
[19:11] Cadence Theas: one moment, Rosie. the only thing you have said to me in IM is that the new sim is your only concern
[19:11] Cadence Theas: so noted
[19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have been telling you this Cadence, you are so not telling the truth .. so be it.. do your thing.. you have to sleep with your self
[19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that is not true
[19:11] Cadence Theas: and it appears in the agenda
[19:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: .. done
[19:12] Cadence Theas: I am assuming that this is the discussion for the agenda
[19:12] Cadence Theas: I call it to a vote
[19:12] Cadence Theas: Is the agenda approved as presented?
[19:13] Rosie Gray: aye
[19:13] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[19:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: NO
[19:13] Cadence Theas: aye
[19:13] Cadence Theas: agenda approved
[19:13] Cadence Theas: next order of business, review and approval of mintues of the July 4 meting
[19:13] Cadence Theas: meeting
[19:14] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to approve the minutes?
[19:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion to approve the minutes.
[19:14] Cadence Theas: second?
[19:15] Cadence Theas: the problem is is that there are no minutes...just a transcript
[19:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: they are posted
[19:15] Cadence Theas: the minutes?
[19:15] Rosie Gray raises hand
[19:15] Cadence Theas: go ahead Rosie
[19:16] Rosie Gray: the Minutes are inadequate
[19:16] Rosie Gray: they do not have the points from the Agenda on them, preceding the motions
[19:16] Rosie Gray: further, the previous Minutes of June 14th that had a motion to amend them that passed, have not been amended
[19:17] Rosie Gray: I wish to ask Cleo...
[19:17] Rosie Gray: are you willing and able to perform the RA Archivist duty of taking and posting Minutes using accepted business practices of including the items from the Agenda first, followed by the Motions pertaining to them, and including posting corrected Minutes on the Forum and on the CDS website in a timely manner?
[19:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: LOL
[19:17] Rosie Gray waits for an answer
[19:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i do not answer to you Rosie Gray, i am doing the RA minutes, they are posted. If you do not like how i did them. .. oh well.
[19:18] Rosie Gray: so that is a 'no' then?
[19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i did not say no
[19:19] Cadence Theas: Nevertheless, the minutes are part of the historical record of CDS
[19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: let me read back
[19:19] Rosie Gray: then I will repeat my question: Cleo... are you willing and able to perform the RA Archivist duty of taking and posting Minutes using accepted business practices of including the items
from the Agenda first, followed by the Motions pertaining to them, and including posting corrected Minutes on the Forum and on the CDS website in a timely manner?
[19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: this is what i said Rosie
[19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: [19:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i do not answer to you Rosie Gray, i am doing the RA minutes, they are posted. If you do not like how i did them. .. oh well
[19:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that was not "no"
[19:19] Rosie Gray: you did not amend the previous Minutes as was moved in the last meeting
[19:20] Cadence Theas: but it was hardly a resounding yes
[19:20] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... tes#p28835
[19:20] Rosie Gray: and your current Minutes are inadequate
[19:20] Cadence Theas: point of order
[19:20] Rosie Gray: so my question remains, are you willing to do them properly?
[19:20] Cadence Theas: Cleo, just a simple question, yes or no
[19:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I will keep doing the minutes as i said i would. [19:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i do not answer to you Rosie Gray, i am doing the RA minutes, they are posted. If you do not like how i did them. .. oh well
[19:22] Cadence Theas: we have am otion, and a second
[19:22] Cadence Theas: I call this motion to a vote
[19:22] Rosie Gray: then you are saying you will do them in an inadequate manner, and you won't amend the Minutes when it has been moved and the motion passed that they are amended
[19:23] Rosie Gray: is that correct?
[19:23] Cadence Theas: Rosie, I think Cleo's answer is clear
[19:23] Rosie Gray nods
[19:23] Rosie Gray: so it seems
[19:23] Cadence Theas: I call t his motion to a vote
[19:23] Tor Karlsvalt: nay
[19:23] JerryDon Lane: I missed the motion??
[19:23] Cadence Theas: to accept the minutes from the July 4 th meeting
[19:24] JerryDon Lane: Oh sorry
[19:24] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): [19:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion to approve the minutes.
[19:24] Rosie Gray: nay
[19:24] Shep (shep.titian): Jerry you have to ask before speaking
[19:24] Cadence Theas: ty SHep
[19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The time is now 7:23
[19:24] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[19:24] Rosie Gray: yes?
[19:24] Cadence Theas: please vore
[19:24] Cadence Theas: vote
[19:24] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:24] Rosie Gray: oh... I did
[19:24] Rosie Gray: I said nay
[19:24] Cadence Theas: cleo
[19:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: abstain
[19:25] Rosie Gray snorts
[19:25] Cadence Theas: I abstain as well
[19:25] Cadence Theas: the motion does not carry
[19:25] Cadence Theas: but Cleo, please look to the promises you make to the RA by assuming certain positions
[19:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am doing the minutes, they are fine.
[19:25] Cadence Theas: next order of business is the Executive report
[19:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i did them as i wa s assigned.. that is all, they are fine.
[19:26] Rosie Gray: they are inadequate
[19:26] Cadence Theas: The chancellor asked to be excused this evening as he had a previous commitment
[19:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if rosie wants to make a big deal about what is BOLDED or not
[19:26] Rosie Gray: and you are incompetent
[19:26] Cadence Theas: so we can hope to hear from him at the next
[19:26] Cadence Theas: Cleo,
[19:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: then she has issues bigger than i can help
[19:26] Cadence Theas: please
[19:26] Rosie Gray: excuse the interruption
[19:26] Cadence Theas: you are out of turn
[19:27] Cadence Theas: I hope the chancellor can be with us next meeting
[19:27] Cadence Theas: next item are citizen concerns
[19:27] Soro (soro.dagostino) raises hand
[19:27] Cadence Theas: Soro
[19:27] Soro (soro.dagostino): Has the Chancellor ever been for this RA?
[19:27] Cadence Theas: yes,
[19:27] Soro (soro.dagostino): before*
[19:27] Cadence Theas: he was here at the first meeting
[19:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you just removed me from the list
[19:27] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: CLEOPATRA Xigalia
[19:28] Cadence Theas: he is obligated to be here once a month
[19:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and added Gauis
[19:28] Rosie Gray: and me
[19:28] Rosie Gray: I was first
[19:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and i was next.
[19:28] Cadence Theas: Cleo is right
[19:28] Cadence Theas: I accidently deleted her
[19:28] Cadence Theas: she is after Soro
[19:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: So you are using this stick thing and taking people off the list to speak
[19:28] Soro (soro.dagostino): Not done.
[19:28] Cadence Theas: Please continue SOro, then Cleo
[19:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: noted. i will start for the transcripts putting each time Cadence removes people in line to speak.
[19:28] Soro (soro.dagostino): So he has failed to appear for two meetings?
[19:29] Cadence Theas: he is supposed to be here once a month
[19:29] Cadence Theas: he was here in June
[19:29] Cadence Theas: and I assume he will be here in the next meeting in July
[19:29] Cadence Theas: so far he has complied with his obligations here
[19:29] Soro (soro.dagostino): He, then, has failed to appear for the last two meetings?
[19:30] Cadence Theas: yes, but the law stipulates once a month
[19:30] Cadence Theas: not every two meetings
[19:31] Soro (soro.dagostino): Thank you Madame Chair.
[19:31] Cadence Theas: are you done Soro?
[19:31] Shep (shep.titian): Noooooooooooooooo I'm laughing
[19:31] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:31] Shep (shep.titian): I'm eating mine heheh
[19:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: If we expect peope to attend meetings..
[19:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: then we should tell them before we schedule the meeting AND
[19:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have wondered if the chancellor gave you a report Cadence to post during this meeting, from him ?
[19:32] Cadence Theas: no, he mentioned that it was posted in the forum. But Cleo, two things
[19:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: And Soro, there is NO requirement for the chancellor to attend the RA meetings, you are in the SC , you should know that sir.
[19:33] Cadence Theas: are you done, Cleo?
[19:33] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes ty
[19:33] Cadence Theas: one, I cannot schedule at the convenience of th echancellor, it is hard enough getting five RA members to meeti
[19:34] Cadence Theas: two, it is required by law that the chancellor physically report to the RA, not just in forum, so that we have the opportunity to question him
[19:34] Cadence Theas: I am giving Ceasar the benefit of the doubt that he was not able to attend tonight
[19:34] Cadence Theas: but it is his obligation
[19:34] Cadence Theas: done
[19:34] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[19:34] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[19:34] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Did you ask him when he can meet ?
[19:35] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[19:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: my name was up
[19:35] Rosie Gray: Ill wait for point 3, thanks
[19:36] Cadence Theas: Cleo you spoke and said you were done. If you want us to get to any business, it might help if we move past this part quickly
[19:36] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:36] Cadence Theas: go ahead
[19:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 041#p28293 is this what he gave you ?
[19:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done.
[19:37] Cadence Theas: is there any other citizen concerns this evening?
[19:37] Cadence Theas: (grammar)
[19:37] Cadence Theas: are there
[19:37] Cadence Theas:
[19:37] Cadence Theas: are there any RA concerns, other than the minutes
[19:38] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the agenda
[19:38] Rosie Gray: thank you
[19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: my name was on the top
[19:38] Rosie Gray sighs
[19:38] Rosie Gray: alright go ahead
[19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: since we have three why dont you just go round robin
[19:38] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: for each point
[19:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and what i have an issue is , is the agenda.. but go on and i have to leave before two hours.
[19:38] Cadence Theas: why dont you please mention your concern
[19:39] Cadence Theas: ok, Rosie
[19:39] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: noty , done
[19:41] Rosie Gray: you are done then cLeo?
[19:41] Rosie Gray: please touch the gizmo to remove your name then
[19:41] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Rosie Gray
[19:41] Rosie Gray: Madam LRA, yes I have a concern
[19:42] Rosie Gray: I'm concerned that Cleopatra will not work with the RA in regards to anything like a professional manner
[19:42] Rosie Gray: she won't fill in questionaires that the LRA requests all RA members to fill in
[19:42] Catz Jewell Lane (catz.jewell): lol
[19:42] Rosie Gray: she claims not to receive emails
[19:42] Rosie Gray: she won't do the Minutes properly
[19:43] Rosie Gray: and won't amend them when the motion has been carried to do so
[19:43] Rosie Gray: Motion to rescind Cleopatra Xigalia’s appointment as RA Archivist due to her unprofessional Minute taking, and refusal to fix previous Minutes that amendments were voted on.
[19:43] Rosie Gray: due to these things, I want to make a motion:
[19:43] Rosie Gray: oops... chat lag
[19:43] Rosie Gray: but there is the motion
[19:43] Rosie Gray: done
[19:44] Cadence Theas: point of discussion
[19:44] Cadence Theas: if there was not approved motion to reject the minutes
[19:44] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[19:45] Cadence Theas: then it would be difficult to take the task away from Cleo for the way she does the minutes
[19:45] Rosie Gray: there was no approval to accept the Minutes
[19:45] Cadence Theas: adn the other points do not address her performcance as the archivist
[19:45] Cadence Theas: nor to reject them
[19:45] Rosie Gray: which is the same as rejecting them
[19:45] Rosie Gray: okay... well if you want a motion that way first
[19:45] Rosie Gray: I move that we reject the Minutes as presented for the last RA meeting
[19:46] Cadence Theas: i think we will get the same votes
[19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: because the word motion was not in bold, LOL or that i spelled gwyns name wrong ?
[19:46] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: are you serious !
[19:46] Rosie Gray: I'm perfectly serious
[19:46] Rosie Gray: if you don't do the job properly, then don't have the job
[19:46] Catz Jewell Lane (catz.jewell): LOL
[19:46] Cadence Theas: I am ending this discussion
[19:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
[19:47] Molly Medier: oh my
[19:47] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[19:47] Cadence Theas: Rosie, make your motion
[19:47] JerryDon Lane: LOL
[19:47] Rosie Gray: sorry, I just made it Cadence
[19:47] Cadence Theas: is there a second
[19:48] Cadence Theas: Tor?
[19:48] Cadence Theas: Cleo?
[19:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 
[19:48] Cadence Theas: There is no second to the motion.
[19:48] Tor Karlsvalt: I second this motion, it is obvious that Cleo intends to antagonize the RA with her poor work and constant disruptions.
[19:48] Cadence Theas: oh, there is a second
[19:48] Rosie Gray: thank you Tor
[19:49] Cadence Theas: can we call this to a vote?
[19:49] Rosie Gray: please do
[19:49] Cadence Theas: tu
[19:49] Cadence Theas: ty
[19:49] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[19:49] Rosie Gray: aye
[19:49] Cadence Theas: Cleo?
[19:50] Cadence Theas: Cleo?
[19:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: for not bolding the word Motion, and i spelled LLEWLLEYn wrong.. LOL um.. no
[19:50] Cadence Theas: abstain
[19:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i would like ot see the law
[19:50] Rosie Gray: that is not why Cleo
[19:50] Cadence Theas: the motion does not carry
[19:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: about bolding the word Motion
[19:50] Cadence Theas: Cleo, no more discussion
[19:50] Cadence Theas: period
[19:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and the law about misspelling names
[19:50] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:51] Cadence Theas: the next order of business is from the previous meeting
[19:51] Cadence Theas: a motion tha tGwyn made that was not seconded
[19:51] Cadence Theas: I ask for a Second to Gwyn’s motion to ask the SC if, under the current laws, the Treasurer and the EO are Civil Servants or not, and report back to the RA with the answer. She further moved to table the current need for a waiver until after the SC responds to the question.
[19:52] Rosie Gray: I'll second that
[19:52] Cadence Theas: any discussion?
[19:52] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[19:52] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Tor Karlsvalt
[19:52] Rosie Gray: pass to Tor
[19:52] Cadence Theas: ok, <tor<
[19:53] Cadence Theas: Tor
[19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: There is no need for the RA to countenance the Chancellors request.
[19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: If he wishes to bring this issue to the SC he may, but the law is clear.
[19:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane was appointed and serves on good behavior.
[19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: The treasuer's term does not end with the end of the exectutive term
[19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: In fact Civil Service is normally meant to convey that a position is not political.
[19:54] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[19:55] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: CLEOPATRA Xigalia
[19:55] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[19:55] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The Treasurer position is a civil service position and it says clearly in the law that it is for one term only.. so i just think its obvious that some clarification is needed.... the two laws regarding the Treasurer and Civil Servants were passed immediately after one another
[19:56] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so its not crystal clear as my collegue would like to say, unless he hasnt read both laws... but i am happy if we do not want to approve the chancellors appointment of Sudane as treasurer.. i for one would like to vote yes on that
[19:57] Cadence Theas: are you done?
[19:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and give it our stamp of approval.. i think also that one only has to think aside from SUDANE
[19:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and know that no one in their right mind, would make the EO and Treasuer the same person and then apoint them for life.
[19:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: civil servants serve term by term. done.
[19:57] Cadence Theas: Tor then Calli
[19:58] Cadence Theas: (Cleo, toggle the SPR, please)
[19:58] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Tor Karlsvalt
[19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Cleo is sorely mistaken. The law clearly states that the civil servent serves the term established in the law that established the position.
[19:58] Tor Karlsvalt: In this case the Treasurer serves on good behavior.
[19:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Finally Cleo states here in RA that she intends to unseat Sudane as treasurer.
[19:59] Tor Karlsvalt: For what purpose, but to destabilize the finances of CDS.
[19:59] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[19:59] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Callipygian Christensen
[20:00] Cadence Theas: Calli will be the last speaker
[20:00] Soro (soro.dagostino) raises hand
[20:01] Cadence Theas: Sorry Soro, Calli is next
[20:01] Callipygian Christensen: I posted my opinions on the EO and Treasurer laws, the question of 'is the Treasurer a civil servant' and the issue of whether or not the Chancellor appoints each term here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 061#p28825
[20:02] Widget Whiteberry clicks and reads
[20:02] Cadence Theas: are yo udone Calli?
[20:03] Callipygian Christensen: If RA wishes to table this until the full SC can issue an opinion at the next meeting, we will ensure that we do so at that time. on the 19th.
[20:03] Callipygian Christensen: done
[20:03] Cadence Theas: ty Calli
[20:03] Cadence Theas: I will allow two more brief interventions: Soro and Cleo
[20:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no thank you
[20:04] Cadence Theas: Soro?
[20:04] Soro (soro.dagostino): Just to confirm that my analysis is the same as the Deans.
[20:04] Soro (soro.dagostino): Done.
[20:04] Cadence Theas: then I move to table the consideration until the SC emits a concept
[20:04] Soro (soro.dagostino) raises hand -- ooops
[20:04] Cadence Theas: more or less what Gwyn proposed
[20:05] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Soro Dagostino
[20:05] Cadence Theas: Soro
[20:05] Soro (soro.dagostino): Just to say that I was LRA at the time the law was passed.
[20:05] Soro (soro.dagostino): Done
[20:06] Cadence Theas: then your memory and experience will be valuable to unravel this mystery
[20:06] Cadence Theas: ty
[20:06] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Widget Whiteberry
[20:06] Cadence Theas: second to my motion?
[20:06] Rosie Gray: can you repeat the motion please?
[20:06] Cadence Theas: I move to table the consideration until the SC emits a concept
[20:07] Cadence Theas: consideration being the waiver for Sudane to be EA and Treasurer
[20:07] Cadence Theas: Eo
[20:07] Rosie Gray: seconded
[20:07] Cadence Theas: I call for a vote
[20:08] Rosie Gray: aye
[20:08] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[20:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: abstain
[20:08] Cadence Theas: aye
[20:08] Cadence Theas: the motion carries
[20:09] Cadence Theas: the next order of business is the RA participation in the government hour, however, I move to discuss this at the end of the meeting if there is time
[20:09] Cadence Theas: and that we move on to the legislative projects for the term
[20:09] Cadence Theas: is there a second to the motion
[20:09] Cadence Theas: I make it in the interest of time
[20:10] Rosie Gray: second
[20:10] Cadence Theas: I call this motion to a vote
[20:11] Rosie Gray: aye
[20:11] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[20:11] Cadence Theas: Cleo?
[20:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no
[20:11] Cadence Theas: sigh
[20:11] Cadence Theas: aye
[20:11] Cadence Theas: the motion carries
[20:12] Cadence Theas: Widget, do you have something to add at this point?
[20:12] Soro (soro.dagostino): Popcorn!!
[20:12] Soro (soro.dagostino):
[20:12] Cadence Theas: we need new technology
[20:12] Widget Whiteberry: pass
[20:13] Soro (soro.dagostino): Sorry Madame LRA -- just too good to pass up!
[20:13] Cadence Theas: ok, Cleo do you have something to add
[20:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is inappropriate for you to grunt and sigh at my right to cast a vote as i see fit. i want it on the record that fro the LRA to sigh when i cast a vote is unnecessary , unprofessional and quite in appropriate... done.
[20:13] Cadence Theas: so noted
[20:13] Cadence Theas: ty
[20:13] Cadence Theas: the next order is the legislative agenda for this term
[20:13] Cadence Theas: as I have mentioned, I sent out a proposal to all of th eRA members
[20:13] Cadence Theas: of whom three filled it out
[20:13] Cadence Theas: and the chart behind me is the result
[20:14] Cadence Theas: Cleo posted a message today
[20:14] Cadence Theas: with her likes and dislikes
[20:14] Cadence Theas: but it is impossible to formulate a numerical tally with what she submitted
[20:15] Cadence Theas: And Gwyn has not sent me her tally to date, although she did ask for an indulgence
[20:15] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: CLEOPATRA Xigalia
[20:15] Cadence Theas: this means, we ahve the chart behind me to work with in the definition of this terms legislative agenda
[20:15] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to consider this chart as the possible legislative agenda for this term?
[20:16] Rosie Gray: so moved
[20:16] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[20:16] Cadence Theas: is there a se...ty
[20:16] Cadence Theas: I open the forum to discussion
[20:16] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[20:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no i move we do NOT use a biased chart that only has one factions wishes on it and ignores the majoirty of the population
[20:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you did not add any of my items
[20:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yet you say you saw them
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but you didnt have a number fro them
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but why didnt you add them?
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move we adjourn the meeting.
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am not able to stay any longer.
[20:17] Cadence Theas: there is a previous motion
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and despite how the SC has ruled or not ruled.. 2/3
[20:17] Cadence Theas: let me respond cleo , so this is on the record
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: of 5 is not 3 , it is four
[20:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no i am going to have to go ..
[20:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i ask for a seven day vote.
[20:18] Cadence Theas: I sent you numerous requests f or this list so that all CDS member were represented
[20:18] Cadence Theas: I sent this request more than two weeks ago
[20:18] Cadence Theas: only TODAY at the last moment did you send any informtiaon and then have the temerity to scold me for not including it
[20:19] Cadence Theas: what did you do for the last three weeks ?
[20:19] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): clap clap clap
[20:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Cleo has left
[20:19] Rosie Gray: it can still be in the chat log though
[20:19] Cadence Theas: it is on record
[20:19] Rosie Gray: although how Cleo can do the minutes without being here is a mystery
[20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: This is an old trick of hers looking at past RA transcripts.
[20:20] Rosie Gray: we are still quorate
[20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: we are
[20:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Quarate is not 2/3rds
[20:20] Cadence Theas: then lets continue discussion, and I particularly want the public to add their comments
[20:20] Cadence Theas: please
[20:21] Cadence Theas: lets let the RA members just listen for a moment as to what all of you are thinking
[20:21] Tor Karlsvalt: A quorum is a majority.
[20:21] Cadence Theas: Gaius
[20:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Thank you, Mme LRA.
[20:21] Cadence Theas: yes Tor, but I am going to give preference right now to the citizens
[20:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): In my opinion, I agree with the first and second legislative projects on your chart.
[20:22] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Most recently, I have seen the strong and over-reaching powers of the Chancellor.
[20:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Augmenting the practical checks on the Chancellor's powers in some of the most basic functions of SL government lead me to place this highly on the list, which I agree with.
[20:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I am also glad that this chart has included the new sim highly on the list of legislative projects.
[20:24] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I urge the RA to accept it. Done.
[20:24] Cadence Theas: (I am going to clear the SPR becuase Cleo's name is still on top and blocking the other speakers
[20:24] Cadence Theas: Soro
[20:25] Cadence Theas: you are next
[20:25] Soro (soro.dagostino): I am happy to approve of the efforts of the LRA to put some reason and programming to the considerations of the RA. I wish when I was LRA that we could have done some of this
[20:26] Soro (soro.dagostino): But, back then we had 13 members of the RA.
[20:26] Soro (soro.dagostino): Harder to control.
[20:29] Molly Medier: Well in this case I see a conflict of intrest - members of the government with relatives involved
[20:29] Molly Medier: it's not working well
[20:30] Molly Medier: I think that should be a stipulation that has to be put forth
[20:30] Cadence Theas: (remember to say "done" at the end of your statements)
[20:31] Molly Medier: I love my friends but different functions should be assigned
[20:31] Molly Medier: done
[20:31] Cadence Theas: Molly, let me make a clarification
[20:31] Cadence Theas: the list here is a list of legislative proposals for the term
[20:31] Molly Medier: please
[20:32] Cadence Theas: the numbers in blue represent the order of consideration based on the tally of each RA members list of preferences
[20:32] Cadence Theas: which are presumably based on how they represent their constitutuents
[20:32] Cadence Theas: conflict of interest is now at number six in order of consdieration
[20:32] Cadence Theas: done
[20:32] Cadence Theas: Calli
[20:32] Cadence Theas: Widget
[20:33] Cadence Theas: and GFauis in that order
[20:33] Molly Medier: may I speak
[20:33] Cadence Theas: please do so
[20:33] Callipygian Christensen: Thank you. I support the idea of having a legislative plan for the term in place, but would just remind the RA that
[20:34] Callipygian Christensen: oh..sorry..go ahead Molly
[20:34] Cadence Theas: Calli, can Molly add one more point?
[20:34] Cadence Theas: ty
[20:34] Molly Medier whispers: please you rad me wrong - I am wanting cleo to let go of politics and help as a PIO and be happy )
[20:34] Molly Medier: *read
[20:35] Shep (shep.titian): awwww
[20:36] Cadence Theas: Sorry, Molly do you have something to add?
[20:37] Molly Medier: sorry done
[20:37] Cadence Theas: ok, Calli then Gaius
[20:37] Widget Whiteberry: ahem
[20:38] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Calli, Widget, then Gaius, Mme LRA ㋡
[20:38] Callipygian Christensen: (well that is a hrd comment to follow - well said Molly, that all our elected officials can get on with their work
[20:38] Cadence Theas: sorry Widget 
[20:38] Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
[20:38] Tor Karlsvalt nods
[20:38] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Callipygian Christensen
[20:38] Callipygian Christensen: so..I support a strategic plan like this one you are working toward but would remind the Ra that any citizen or RA member can propose a bill by posting to the Forum and to the LRA..
[20:39] Tor Karlsvalt nods
[20:39] Callipygian Christensen: there needs to be 'room' to insert such bills if they appear.
[20:39] Callipygian Christensen: done
[20:39] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Widget Whiteberry
[20:39] Cadence Theas: Calli,
[20:39] Cadence Theas: in the chart I sent to the ra members
[20:39] Cadence Theas: there was room for more ideas
[20:40] Cadence Theas: Cleo decided not to participate in this
[20:40] Cadence Theas: and only today added a bunch of stuff that I had no time to add to the agenda
[20:40] Cadence Theas: but for the record, I did allow lots of spaces for other legislative proposals
[20:40] Cadence Theas: Widget, finally )
[20:40] Cadence Theas:
[20:40] Widget Whiteberry: I'm concerned with guidelines for dealing with harassment in CDS - is the issue on this list? Done
[20:41] Widget Whiteberry: phew!
[20:41] Cadence Theas: it is currently at number 7
[20:41] Widget Whiteberry: ty
[20:41] Cadence Theas: Gauis
[20:41] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Thank you, Mme LRA
[20:41] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I agree with Molly's concern with conflicts of interest, too, and it seems our RA members do too. IMO I believe that 5.3.1, 5.3.2, and 5.3.3 can be combined as one legislative project under the guidance of the same commission. I believe doing so would be preferential and eliminate similar legislative projects. That said, I think that some of these can be worked on concurrently.
[20:42] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): *some of these projects
[20:42] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Done.
[20:42] Cadence Theas: I think you make a vaid point combining the ones you mention
[20:42] Cadence Theas: we can make a motion later about this
[20:42] Cadence Theas: Calli, you are next
[20:44] Callipygian Christensen: Just to calrify what I meant, and reocgnizing there is room there *now* for additions, I am talking about 2 months form now when some issue, as yet iunidentified, leads to a bill being put forward. The plan in place will need to be flexible to allow for such insertions if they occur
[20:44] Callipygian Christensen: done
[20:44] Cadence Theas: yes of course
[20:44] Cadence Theas: there are long term projects, that require study
[20:44] Cadence Theas: and others that are of immediate consideration
[20:44] Cadence Theas: this is contemplated in this scheme
[20:44] Cadence Theas: ok, Widget again
[20:44] Cadence Theas:
[20:44] Widget Whiteberry: oops, no
[20:45] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[20:45] Cadence Theas: are there any more comments
[20:45] Cadence Theas: I know there were some strong statements made in the forum
[20:45] Cadence Theas: and I invite these people to comment here
[20:45] Cadence Theas: without fear of trolling
[20:46] Cadence Theas: I want this to be a truly citizen-centered discussion
[20:46] JerryDon Lane: I cannot see your chart......but I will speak if you wish
[20:46] Cadence Theas: please do
[20:46] JerryDon Lane: I am concerned about the slow start on the mandate given us to start a new sim
[20:47] JerryDon Lane: By the people
[20:47] Widget Whiteberry drops her popcorn
[20:47] JerryDon Lane: I would think that would be priority #1 on this agenda
[20:47] JerryDon Lane: Can you explain why it isn't?
[20:48] Cadence Theas: I can try
[20:48] JerryDon Lane: OK
[20:48] Cadence Theas: but this is my vision, not the RA's
[20:48] Cadence Theas: if that is ok with you
[20:48] JerryDon Lane: Yes
[20:49] Cadence Theas: as you know there is a lot of division in CDS, political and social--you and i have been at opposite ends of that division even if at heart we dont want to be
[20:49] Cadence Theas: there are questions as to how much any one faction or individual represents all or the majority of us at any given moment
[20:50] Cadence Theas: and the supreme represtnation of who we are is in our sim development
[20:50] Cadence Theas: it is where we put our heart and our souls not as political people but as social ones
[20:51] JerryDon Lane: Ok...Is this your response?
[20:51] Cadence Theas: I think, and this is me, Cadence, colombian, anthropolgosit, that this is the most difficult and personal things that we can do as a community
[20:51] JerryDon Lane: Sorry
[20:51] Cadence Theas: and that the worst way of doing it is rushing it
[20:52] Cadence Theas: we should come together, talk about it, savour it, enjoy it, but as you may have seen, this is becoming another point of contention in the forum
[20:52] Rosie Gray notices that Cleo just went offline
[20:52] Cadence Theas: this is my opnion as to why we should do the sim, but should do it slowly and enjoyably and with a lot of love
[20:52] Cadence Theas: done
[20:52] Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
[20:52] Cadence Theas: I said this as Cadence, not as LRA
[20:53] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): (and over a nice few cups of coffee or sherry, if need be...) ㋡
[20:53] JerryDon Lane: and slowly means what to you in a timeframe?
[20:53] Cadence Theas: hopefully this term
[20:53] Cadence Theas: but lets enjoy the journey
[[20:54] JerryDon Lane: Is this going to be another 4 year project as was LA?
[20:54] Cadence Theas: no
[20:54] Soro (soro.dagostino): Madame LRA . . .
[20:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): (with a bit of Madeleine Peyroux, too, let's hope...)
[20:54] Cadence Theas: LA took 4 years because people only fought over it
[20:54] Cadence Theas: Soro
[20:54] JerryDon Lane: Very well...I'll leave this for further discussion...may I speak on another topic?
[20:55] Cadence Theas: Soro, can you wait a moment?
[20:55] JerryDon Lane: Sure
[20:55] Cadence Theas: no Soro wait, Jerry speaks
[20:55] Cadence Theas:
[20:55] JerryDon Lane: Oh
[20:55] Cadence Theas: go ahead Jerry
[20:56] JerryDon Lane: OK...here is the law as to a qquorum in the RA
[20:56] Soro (soro.dagostino): Objection.
[20:56] JerryDon Lane: A quorum for all RA business is equal to a minimum of 50%+ 1 members in attendance. In the absence of a quorum, discussion may be held, but no action can be taken.
[20:56] Soro (soro.dagostino): This is not in order
[20:56] Cadence Theas: Soro, I can respond
[20:56] JerryDon Lane: That rounds up to 4 since you cannot cut people in half...<:0)
[20:57] Catz Jewell Lane (catz.jewell): hehe
[20:57] Cadence Theas: Cleo has asked for a seven day vote
[20:57] Cadence Theas: and she has that right
[20:57] Cadence Theas: she only just got off line, I dont know why she left the meeting
[20:57] Cadence Theas: but this means that our legislative agenda has to wait yet another week to be started
[20:58] Cadence Theas: while Cleo decides what to vote for or not
[20:58] Cadence Theas: I had hoped to begin tonight to name a commission to begin with several legislative projects including the new sim
[20:58] Cadence Theas: but we have to wait until the next RA meeting because Cleo asked for a seven day vote
[20:59] Cadence Theas: ok, Soro, your question?
[20:59] Soro (soro.dagostino): Perhaps JerryDon can explain why the new sim should be first in order?
[20:59] JerryDon Lane: I would be glad to
[21:00] JerryDon Lane: Because it was put forth as a referendum to the people
[21:00] Cadence Theas: ty
[21:00] JerryDon Lane: and the overwhelmingly voted for this
[21:00] JerryDon Lane: Let's be a democracy and put the will of the people front and center
[21:00] Cadence Theas: Jerry , can I ask you a question?
[21:01] JerryDon Lane: Sure
[21:01] Cadence Theas: what is undemocratic about what I have suggested?
[21:01] JerryDon Lane: I dont know that it is...I'm chewing on it...LOL
[21:01] Cadence Theas: ok
[21:01] Cadence Theas: fair enough
[21:02] Cadence Theas: is there any more discussion?
[21:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker) chuckles.
[21:02] Cadence Theas: you have given the RA a lot to htink about for its next meeting
[21:02] Cadence Theas: and I thank you sincerely for this opportunity
[21:03] Cadence Theas: since we cannot do anything further
[21:03] Cadence Theas: I suggest that we schedule our next meeting and then adjurn
[21:03] Cadence Theas: <adjourn
[21:04] Cadence Theas: are there any objections?
[21:04] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[21:04] Cadence Theas: I am going to be largely gone until July 23
[21:04] Cadence Theas: so can we schedule for after that?
[21:04] Rosie Gray: no objection
[21:04] Callipygian Christensen waves her hand a moment
[21:05] Cadence Theas: Hi Calli
[21:05] Callipygian Christensen: oops..and touches the thingy
[21:05] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now: Callipygian Christensen
[21:05] Cadence Theas: its informal now
[21:05] Callipygian Christensen: Just to clarify quorum
[21:05] Widget Whiteberry applauds
[21:05] Cadence Theas: oh good
[21:05] Cadence Theas: please do
[21:05] Rosie Gray listens to Calli
[21:06] Callipygian Christensen: The Constitution states that RA quorum is a simple majority, which is anything over 50%, making quorum 3 members
[21:06] Rosie Gray: exactly!
[21:06] JerryDon Lane: Then we have another conflict in law
[21:06] Callipygian Christensen: RA procedures may say 50% +1, but that should be amended to comply with the Constitution
[21:07] Widget Whiteberry hopes that is done next meeting
[21:07] Cadence Theas: ty Calli, as much as I wanted to be able to start our projects tonight, I think it much more valuable to listen to what people had to say
[21:07] Cadence Theas: so even though we had a quorum
[21:07] Cadence Theas: I think we got more done like this tonight
[21:07] Callipygian Christensen: Procedures are easily amended since they are not actually laws, but published procedures adopted by whatever arm of gov't they apply to
[21:08] Cadence Theas: we can quickly ammend that for the next meeting
[21:08] Callipygian Christensen nods..just providing the clarification
[21:08] Cadence Theas: Rosie, Tor, how are you after the 23rd?
[21:08] Cadence Theas: (I really appreciate it Calli)
[21:08] Tor Karlsvalt: should be ok
[21:08] Rosie Gray: depends on when, after the 23rd
[21:09] Cadence Theas: this is a good time, no?
[21:09] Rosie Gray: this is a very difficult time for me
[21:09] Cadence Theas: oh
[21:09] Cadence Theas: oops
[21:09] Cadence Theas: what is a better time?
[21:09] Rosie Gray: I'm prepared to do it once in a while, but I'd appreciate alternating if we can
[21:09] Rosie Gray: well, I much prefer mornings
[21:09] Rosie Gray: for my schedule
[21:10] Cadence Theas: me too, but Tor works
[21:10] Rosie Gray: I know Tor can't during the week
[21:10] Rosie Gray: are you still unable to meet on weekends, Cadence?
[21:10] Tor Karlsvalt: I might be on leave the last week of July.
[21:10] Cadence Theas: let me look
[21:11] Glass of Champagne whispers: Toast
[21:11] Cadence Theas: maybe the 26th or 27th
[21:12] Rosie Gray: oh sorry that weekend is no good for me
[21:12] Rosie Gray: sorry
[21:12] Cadence Theas: well, it is two weeks from now, we can discuss this over the next couple of days
[21:12] Rosie Gray: when are you on leave, Tor?
[21:12] Cadence Theas: with Cleo and Gwyn too
[21:13] Cadence Theas: and arrive at a date
[21:13] Rosie Gray: we could try Doodle again
[21:13] Cadence Theas: yes
[21:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I haven't requested leave yet, but I was planning on the last week of july
[21:13] Cadence Theas: I move that we adjourn for now, and that we thank everyone present for their cooperation and participation