Transcript for RA meeting held July 4th 2014
Meeting number two of the 21st Representative Assembly
[08:03] Cadence Theas: Hi, and welcome to the second and hopefully more productive session of the 21st RA. Part of the difficulty we had last time was learning to use the speaker roster protocol (SRP) device. But we had practice in the first session, so I hope all of us, including me, can be more efficient in the use of it. You will notice that the SRP is bigger now so that people in the back of the room can still have access to it. The advantage to the device is to allow every one of us the opportunity to speak and know that we are being listened to, and to hear the other person speaking without being distracted by extraneous chat. Not only is it polite, but it also allows us to stay on topic.
[08:04] Cadence Theas: There are several tasks today, approving the budget, and examing the legislation proposals for this term, approving them or not, prioritizing them, and scheduling them during the term and/or holding some for the 22nd RA. If we can get through this part quickly, and there really is no reason we can’t, because the idea is to schedule the items during the term, not discuss them today, then we can get started on the first prioritized proposal. It is in our best interest to all concerned to get this first part done quickly. I extend an invitation to all of us to make this a productive session. The Parlimentary procedures and simplified Roberts Rules of Order that were sent to the RA members and posted in the forum are commonsense guidelines that ensure the full participation of all of the RA members and the public. Copies are in the small box with the CDS logo on the center table.
[08:04] Cadence Theas: commonsense guidelines that ensure the full participation of all of the RA members and the public. Copies are in the small box with the CDS logo on the center table.
[08:05] Cadence Theas: The agenda, and the budget are in notecards in the iris covered box on the center table.
[08:05] Cadence Theas: As before, I will not receive IMs during the session. If you have something important to communicate to me do so with a notecard. Also, our server has been having problems (this seems to be a constant recently), so if I suddenly logoff, Tor can continue until I reconnect.
Today, we will stop at 10am so that the Americans present can go and enjoy their holiday.
[08:05] Cadence Theas: I call this session to order.
attendance now.
[08:06] Cadence Theas: First order of business is to approve the agenda
[08:06] josjoha moonglow: hi Jerry
[08:06] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to approve the agenda for todays m eeting
[08:06] JerryDon Lane: Mornin Jos
[08:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion to approve the agenda.
[08:06] Cadence Theas: second?
[08:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am not finding it , the final version sorry
[08:07] Rosie Gray: seconded
[08:07] Cadence Theas: its in the box on the table
[08:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its not in the box
[08:07] Cadence Theas: the iris covered box
[08:07] Cadence Theas: along with the chancellors budget
[08:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i only get one called requet to the RA
[08:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no budget
[08:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no agenda
[08:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so no citizens have it either.
[08:08] Rosie Gray: it's there, I just received it
[08:08] Cadence Theas: me too
[08:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio gets an agenda.
[08:08] Cadence Theas: but the budget is not there
[08:08] Lilith Ivory: I got both but SL is laggy so it took a while
[08:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yi get one notecrard called request ot the RA
[08:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have four now
[08:09] josjoha moonglow: i did not get something when touching the CDS box
[08:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i get no agenda though
[08:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: now it is is there, thank you for putting it in
[08:09] Cadence Theas: yw
[08:09] Shep: Hello all
[08:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move we put the budget before old and new items
[08:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: not after.
[08:09] josjoha moonglow: hello Shep
[08:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so amend what is on the floor to move the approval of the budget before old and new items
[08:10] Cadence Theas: is there any objection to moving the budget
[08:10] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[08:10] Cadence Theas: Rosie?
[08:10] Rosie Gray takes a moment to review
[08:10] Cadence Theas: ok
[08:11] Tor Karlsvalt: be right back coffee
[08:12] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[08:12] Cadence Theas: I just added a link to the budget that the chancellor sent me
[08:12] Rosie Gray: can you put it in chat please Cadence?
[08:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Thank you madam LRA.
[08:12] Cadence Theas: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4881
[08:13] Rosie Gray: thank you
[08:13] Cadence Theas: call for a vote on the amendment to the agenda
[08:13] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[08:13] Rosie Gray: aye
[08:13] Cadence Theas: Cleo?
[08:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[08:14] Cadence Theas: motion carries
[08:14] Cadence Theas: next item
[08:14] Cadence Theas: approval of the June 14th minutes
[08:14] Cadence Theas: motion to approve minutes
[08:15] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to approve the minutes of the June 14th RA meeting?
[08:16] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion that we accept the minutes. Tho can you enter the link into chat.
[08:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I move we approve the agenda with the chancellors budget put prior to the old and new business. but after citizens remarks.
[08:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oh
[08:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: excuse that.
[08:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second.
[08:16] Rosie Gray: I move that we accept the Minutes of the previous meetings but amended
[08:17] Cadence Theas: is there a second
[08:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: amended how /?
[08:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Cleo seconded.
[08:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we cannot second that motion
[08:17] Cadence Theas: that is for the discussion
[08:17] Cadence Theas: ok, is there any discussion
[08:17] Cadence Theas: remember to use the SPR
[08:18] Cadence Theas: the URL to the minutes for the June 14 th meeting:http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4935
[08:18] Cadence Theas: Tor
[08:18] Rosie Gray: ahem
[08:18] Rosie Gray: I'm first Madame LRA
[08:18] Cadence Theas: sorry, Rise
[08:19] Cadence Theas: ROsie
[08:19] Cadence Theas: I didnt see your name
[08:19] Rosie Gray: thank you, lol
[08:19] Cadence Theas: please continue
[08:20] Rosie Gray: the Minutes need to be presented in a more ordered manner according to accepted business practices
[08:20] Rosie Gray: the items of the Agenda need to be first, then followed by the Motions under then, to make it clear and easy for people to follow
[08:21] Rosie Gray: it would also be nice if the headings and the word Motion were bolded... again this makes it easier for reference
[08:21] Rosie Gray: I understand that this is Cleo's first time doing Minutes though... so I'm saying this for the next Minutes mostly
[08:22] Rosie Gray: for these Minutes, I would like to see two small changes
[08:22] Rosie Gray: #1, Gwyneth's last name is spelled incorrectly
[08:23] Rosie Gray: and #2 I would like to see Guests: CDS citizens and friends listed at the top under the Absent members
[08:23] Rosie Gray: done
[08:23] Cadence Theas: Tor
[08:24] Tor Karlsvalt: I took my name off the list
[08:24] Cadence Theas: Ok, Rosie can you put that into a motion
[08:24] Rosie Gray: yes
[08:26] Rosie Gray: I move that we accept the previous meeting's Minutes with the correction of the spelling of Llewelyn, and the addition of Guests: CDS citizens and friends
[08:26] Cadence Theas: second?
[08:27] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[08:27] Cadence Theas: is there a second to the motion?
[08:27] Cadence Theas: ty
[08:27] Cadence Theas: I call the motion toa vote
[08:27] Rosie Gray: aye
[08:27] Cadence Theas: oh,we lost Cleo
[08:28] josjoha moonglow: i think she crashed
[08:28] Cadence Theas: Tor, how do you vote on the motion ?
[08:29] Cadence Theas: sigh
[08:29] Cadence Theas: while we wait for people to come back on line
[08:29] Tor Karlsvalt: yay, she is back online.
[08:29] Cadence Theas: let me mention that Item 1.3 is mostly informative
[08:30] Cadence Theas: the Rules of procedure are just a commonsense way of making these meetings more efficient
[08:30] Cadence Theas: I invite you to take copes from the small CDS logo box on the table
[08:30] Cadence Theas: wb Cleo
[08:30] Tor Karlsvalt: welcome back Cleo
[08:30] Cadence Theas: Item 1.4 is optional because the chancellor gave a report at the last meeting
[08:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: my vote was no
[08:31] Cadence Theas: ok, we were waiting for you to come back
[08:31] Cadence Theas: Tor, your vote?
[08:31] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[08:31] Cadence Theas: the motion carries
[08:31] Rosie Gray is confused why Cleo would vote no on her own Minutes
[08:32] Cadence Theas: we can now move on to the adjusted agenda and begin with discussion regarding the budget and the Chancellor requst for the continuance of Sudane as Treasurer
[08:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i vote no to your effort to clog the CDS RA meeting by asking for bolding and spelling changes.
[08:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: abstain.
[08:32] Pat: ahem
[08:32] Rosie Gray: lol
[08:32] Pat: 'citizens' concerns'?
[08:32] Cadence Theas: Pat, we voted to discuss the budget first
[08:33] Cadence Theas: that was the first motion to amend the agenda
[08:33] Pat: no, you voted to discuss it after citzens concernsand RA concerns
[08:33] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Pat is correct.
[08:33] Cadence Theas: yes, sorry
[08:34] Cadence Theas: I open the floor to citizens concerns
[08:34] Cadence Theas: please use the SPR
[08:34] Cadence Theas: Pat
[08:34] Pat: i'm concerned that an elected member of the Representative Assembly, Cleopatra Xigalia, continues to spread allegations about me which are untrue
Cleo made several allegations against me during the byelection debate in group chat
[08:34] Pat: I have outlined them here:
http://forum.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f ... a23#p25253
[08:34] Pat: i gave her the opportunity to apologise for making her mistakes. i assumed she had simply misremembered what happened. but she has not apologised
cleo also refuses to provide evidence to back up her allegations
[08:35] Pat: as she promised to when she made them
this is an outrageous way to behave. telling stories that could affect the outcome of an election but refusing to provide any evidence
[08:35] Pat: sadly, i'm forced to conclude that Cleo must be lying, she must know she is lying and that's why she won't provide any evidence
[08:35] Pat: i think that liars should not be tolerated in the Representative Assembly
i request that the RA pass a motion of censure on Cleo for her failure to either a) evidence her accusations or b) apologise for making a mistake
[08:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: pat you won the election !
[08:35] Pat: that's all
[08:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Pat that was at the by election , which you won.
[08:35] Pip Torok: hear hear
[08:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and i have told you many times i will gladly talk to you about this inworld .. not here.
[08:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done.
[08:36] Catz Jewell Lane: lol
[08:36] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[08:36] Rosie Gray: thank you
[08:37] Rosie Gray: I agree that accusations need to be substantiated
[08:37] Rosie Gray: and I'd like to see Pat's request for proof of statements made about him either carried through
[08:37] Rosie Gray: or a sincere apology issued
[08:37] Rosie Gray: done
[08:38] Cadence Theas: I wonder if the RA has the jurisdiction to censure a member for behavior in other formats such as the forum
[08:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have proof. There is no apology required.
[08:38] Cadence Theas: this might be an issue for the SC to consider
[08:38] Cadence Theas: done
[08:38] Cadence Theas: Pat
[08:39] Pat: if cleo has proof she should provide it. her refusal to do so is the problem
[08:39] Pat: you cannnot make allegations against someone and then say "ill talk to you about it inwolrd"
[08:39] Pat: in a back alley
[08:39] Pat: you attack me in public
[08:39] Pat: back it up
[08:39] Pat: or apologise
[08:40] Pat: or stand branded as a liar
[08:40] Pat: done
[08:40] Cadence Theas: Cleo do you want to respond?
[08:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no.
[08:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am not a liar
[08:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have proof and i have told pat i am happy to discuss it with him.
[08:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The proof is all on the forums.
[08:41] Pip Torok wonders where it is hiding
[08:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think there should now be a call for other citizens concerns madam LRA.
[08:41] josjoha moonglow: can the citizen plz take private matters to the SC, this is the Parliament and we are here for the common affairs ...
[08:42] JerryDon Lane: Is the chair going to bring this meeting to order?
[08:42] Cadence Theas: that is where I am going, I just wanted to give you a chance to respond
[08:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Pat has disrupted many meetings in CDS over this.
[08:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: He won the election in question.
[08:42] Catz Jewell Lane: like a 3 year old
[08:42] Cadence Theas: Catz
[08:42] Cadence Theas: please
[08:43] Cadence Theas: I would like to call order please
[08:43] Pip Torok realises that wronged ppl can be of any age ...
[08:43] Cadence Theas: I suggest that the RA does not have the jurisdiction over one of its members in the forum
[08:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hear hear.
[08:43] Cadence Theas: but recommend that Pat take the issue to the SC
[08:44] Cadence Theas: or talk to Cleo in public chat, so that the conversation does not have the privilege of not being made public
[08:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Thank you , i have offered to do that with him since the first day he started this.
[08:44] Cadence Theas: are there other public concerns?
[08:45] Cadence Theas: but in public chat, Cleo
[08:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio wonders who started what and who has denied to speak publicly about it....
[08:45] Cadence Theas: if there are no other concerns, I suggst we move onto the budget
[08:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes i have offered that madam LRA but not at this meeting.
[08:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio: clap clap clap
[08:45] Cadence Theas: ty
[08:45] josjoha moonglow: claps
[08:46] Cadence Theas: Pat
[08:46] Pat: final comment mme LRA as you have other work to do
[08:46] Cadence Theas: go ahead, please
[08:46] Pat: cleo lied about me in public and refuses to provide her evidence. she wants to control the way she provides it by meeting me privately. it says volumes about her integrity
[08:47] JerryDon Lane: LOL
[08:47] Pat: i will say no more at this meeting. but this is not over. done
[08:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I said in public pat.
[08:47] Pip Torok laughs at Jerry's LOL
[08:47] Cadence Theas: Pat, the recommendation is that either the matter is taken to the SC, or you talk with Cleo in public chat which enables you to publish it in the forum at your discretion
[08:48] josjoha moonglow: ok, i guess the RA is meeting someplace else today ...
[08:48] Cadence Theas: Can we please move on the budget
[08:48] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to accept the Chancellor's budget for this term
[08:48] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion that we accept the Chancellor's budget.
[08:48] Rosie Gray: do we have a link to it?
[08:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second
[08:48] Cadence Theas: is there a second
[08:49] Cadence Theas: I put it in chat
[08:49] Cadence Theas: hold on
[08:49] Widget Whiteberry: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4881
[08:49] Cadence Theas: ty Widger
[08:49] Rosie Gray: thanks Widget
[08:49] Cadence Theas: Widget
[08:49] Cadence Theas: 
[08:49] Widget Whiteberry had it ready!
[08:49] Cadence Theas: is there a second?
[08:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Cleo seconded.
[08:50] Cadence Theas: ok, missed that
[08:50] Cadence Theas: Cleo you can open discussion
[08:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: This was posted on the forums on June 13th for the entire of CDS to see.
[08:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and comment.
[08:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done.
[08:51] Cadence Theas: is there other discussion?
[08:51] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[08:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no
[08:51] Cadence Theas: motion to accept the budget for this term as presented by the chancellor
[08:51] Rosie Gray: ahem
[08:51] Cadence Theas: sorry Rosie
[08:51] Cadence Theas: go ahead
[08:52] Rosie Gray: thank you
[08:52] Rosie Gray: I'm just wanting to discuss the purchas of the sim out of the reserves for a moment
[08:53] Rosie Gray: while obviously, the purchase would come out of the reserves, I hope that when the time comes, that the purchase would be made of a second hand sim, rather than a new one
[08:53] Rosie Gray: as there is a substantial difference in what we would pay
[08:53] Rosie Gray: details aren't noted in this budget, as that is just a footnote
[08:54] Rosie Gray: but I just wanted a clarification on that point
[08:54] Rosie Gray: done
[08:54] Cadence Theas: Tor
[08:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, I is my take on this that this is a projection. RA would have to authorize purchase of a new sim in a separate action and would then stipulate that the Chancellor would have to purchase a sim at the least expensive route.
[08:56] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[08:56] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: nods
[08:56] Cadence Theas: any other discussion?
[08:56] Rosie Gray nods
[08:56] Cadence Theas: motion to accept the budget for this term as presented by the chancellor
[08:56] Rosie Gray: seconded
[08:57] Cadence Theas: I call the question to a vote
[08:57] Tor Karlsvalt scratches head, thinks that this is a vote
[08:57] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[08:57] Rosie Gray: yes you are right Tor, we already had the motion and second
[08:57] Rosie Gray: I vote aye
[08:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[08:57] Cadence Theas: motion carries
[08:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: cadence you didnt vote . ?
[08:57] Cadence Theas: I dont have to
[08:58] Cadence Theas: the motion carries with the votes that are made
[08:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: dont you want to ? do you abstain ?
[08:58] Cadence Theas: but aye
[08:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ok
[08:58] Cadence Theas: next item is the chancellor request for the continueance of Sudane as Treasurer
[08:58] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to accept the chancellors request?
[08:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no
[08:59] Cadence Theas: no?
[08:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: may i speak
[08:59] Cadence Theas: please
[08:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: please post what the Chacnellor requested, i do not read the word CONTINUANCE
[08:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is not a continuance.
[09:00] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Can you post the notecaard in open chat for the record madam LRA please.
[09:00] Cadence Theas: let me find it
[09:00] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its in the box
[09:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Can we post this in open chat, what we are considering ? Is it a problem ?
[09:01] Cadence Theas: Let me rephrase the question, but I think the issue of continuance will come up in discussion. Motion to accept the chancellors request to appoint Sudane as Treasurer
[09:02] Cadence Theas: the exact wording is "Request to the RA that they agree with the appointment of the Treasurer"
[09:03] Cadence Theas: is their a motion to accept the chancellor request as stated above?
[09:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia:
Request to the RA that they agree with the appointment of the Treasurer
As you will know I have been pleased to appoint Sudane Erato to act as Treasurer for CDS as part of the Executive Branch team. This continues a long standing arrangement of previous Chancellors. As required by the NL 5-5 Treasurer Act I request that the RA consent for Sudane Erato to continue as Treasurer.
I have extracted the references to this requirement from the law below
NL 5-5 Treasurer ACT
‘The position of Treasurer shall be understood as a “civil service” type position. The citizen holding this role will not occupy any other elected or administrative position in the governed entity which he/she serves, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC. She/he shall be appointed by the Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the RA, and shall jold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. Any such planned transition shall be of a duration of no fewer than 60 days to allow for
[09:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: reestablishment of accounts and the transfer of funds.’
I also include a copy of the notecard I have sent to the SC for the issue of waivers.
[09:05] Cadence Theas: Is there a motion?
[09:05] [ssb] Currency Converter 1.03 whispers: Type the value to be converted followed by the currency symbol and a question mark into chat. Example: 500L$?
[09:06] Cadence Theas: sigh, then I move that we accept the chancellors request to the RA that we agree with the appointment of the Treasurer
[09:07] Cadence Theas: is there a second?
[09:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second
[09:07] Cadence Theas: I open the floor for discussion
[09:08] Rosie Gray: wait, that is not what the chancellors request was
[09:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Request to the RA that they agree with the appointment of the Treasurer
As you will know I have been pleased to appoint Sudane Erato to act as Treasurer for CDS as part of the Executive Branch team. This continues a long standing arrangement of previous Chancellors. As required by the NL 5-5 Treasurer Act I request that the RA consent for Sudane Erato to continue as Treasurer.
[09:09] Cadence Theas: would you like to reword the motion, Rosie?
[09:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: What is wrong with the motion Rosie ?
[09:09] Rosie Gray: it's not what the Chancellor says in his note
[09:09] Rosie Gray: yes if I may reword the motion:
[09:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move we wait for Gwyn, she is online.
[09:10] Cadence Theas: I dont mind waiting for Gwyn
[09:10] Rosie Gray: move that we accept the chancellors request to the RA that we agree with the continuance of the Treasurer
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is not a continuance,
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: he didnt say that
[09:10] Cadence Theas: that is for discussion
[09:10] Rosie Gray: I request that the RA consent for Sudane Erato to continue as Treasurer.
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: he said that she continues.
[09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes
[09:10] Rosie Gray: from what you posted above
[09:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes so the thing you just stated is true, the word 'continue" and continuance are not the same word
[09:11] Pat: LOL!
[09:11] Rosie Gray: lol
[09:11] Rosie Gray shakes her head
[09:11] Widget Whiteberry giggles
[09:11] Pat: continues is different from continuance? how?
[09:11] Spider22997 Upshaw: LOL
[09:11] Cadence Theas: let me call for order
[09:11] Rosie Gray: would you like a dictionary, Cleo?
[09:11] Cadence Theas: this is for the discussion part
[09:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Continuance is a legal term Rosie.
[09:12] Cadence Theas: either we accept the original motion
[09:12] Cadence Theas: or we accept Rosie modification
[09:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: continue means she just is doing what she did last term
[09:12] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:12] Cadence Theas: for discussion
[09:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: In American procedural law, a continuance is the postponement of a hearing, trial, or other scheduled court proceeding at the request of either or both parties in the dispute, or by the judge sua sponte. In response to delays in bringing cases to trial, some states have adopted "fast-track" rules that sharply limit the ability of judges to grant continuances. However, a motion for continuance may be granted when necessitated by unforeseeable events, or for other reasonable cause articulated by the movant (the person seeking the continuance), especially when the court deems it necessary and prudent in the "interest of justice."
[09:12] Guillaume Mistwalker notices no names on the speaking stick.
[09:12] Rosie Gray: Cleo, this isn't America
[09:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Well i would appreciate using the word continue for clarity. not the word Continuance.
[09:13] Rosie Gray: okay, then let's reword the motion
[09:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: please
[09:13] Cadence Theas: Rosie, do you have the motion?
[09:14] Rosie Gray: yes
[09:14] Cadence Theas: Hi Gwyn
[09:14] Cadence Theas: glad you could make it
[09:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I move we accept the Chancellors request to have the RA approve the appointment of Sudane as Treasurer for this term.
[09:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn waves — I will be on for a bit, then off for another bit, then back on again lol
[09:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: how about that phrasing? Rosie ..
[09:14] josjoha moonglow: hello Gwyneth Llewelyn
[09:14] Rosie Gray: I move that the RA consent to the Chancellors requestthat the RA consent for Sudane Erato to continue as Treasurer.
[09:15] Rosie Gray: hi Gwyn!
[09:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds that motion.
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I dont like that .
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: he didnt say that.
[09:15] Cadence Theas: sigh, Cleo its in the notecard
[09:15] Cadence Theas: Tor
[09:15] Gaius Tiberius Curio shakes his head.
[09:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you,
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: his words : Request to the RA that they agree with the appointment of the Treasurer
[09:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we need to make sure we agree with his appointment
[09:16] Cadence Theas: Cleo, the SPR
[09:16] Cadence Theas: Tor
[09:16] Tor Karlsvalt: In my view the RA does not have to vote on the Chancellor's request as the Treasuer's serves a term form appointment until she or he resigns or is removed for cause.
[09:16] JerryDon Lane: Law please, Tor??
[09:17] Pip Torok notes the classic way to hold-up business 
[09:17] Tor Karlsvalt: I motion that we reject the Chancellors request to appoint Sudane as treasurer as it is contrary to the law.
[09:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: POint of order: the issue is about the wwaiver, not the appointment.
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Request for the issue of waivers
As you will know I have been pleased to appointed Sudane Erato to act as Treasurer for CDS as part of the Executive Branch team. This continues a long standing arrangement of previous Chancellors. As required by the NL 5-5 Treasurer Act and NL 5-6 Estate Owner Act I request that the SC grant waivers for Sudane Erato to continue as Treasurer.
I believe two waivers are required, the first to allow Sudane Erato as EO to hold the appointed office of Treasurer of CDS. The second to allow Sudane Erato to act as Treasurer while being the EO, an administrative position in the governed entity in which she serves. I ask for this as the law does not allow her to hold both positions without a waiver from the SC.
I have extracted the references to this requirement from the two laws below
NL 5-5 Treasurer ACT
‘The position of Treasurer shall be understood as a “civil service” type position. The citizen holding this role will not occupy any other elected or administrative position
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: in the governed entity which he/she serves, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC. She/he shall be appointed by the Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the RA, and shall jold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. Any such planned transition shall be of a duration of no fewer than 60 days to allow for reestablishment of accounts and the transfer of funds.’
NL 5-6 Estate Owner Act
‘7. The EO will receive no compensation for the office. In addition, the EO will be prohibited from holding any elected or appointed office in the sim government, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC. The only compensation provided will be the ceremonial title “Owner of the Sim”.’
[09:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: agreed Gwyn.
[09:18] Shep: Oh ok
[09:18] Cadence Theas: Shep
[09:18] Delia Lake: NL 5-5 Treasurer Act. http://portal.slcds.info/index.php/faqs ... surer-act/
[09:18] Pat: tor has it right. "She/he shall be appointed by the Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the RA, and shall hold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. "
[09:18] Cadence Theas: the floor recognizes Shep
[09:19] Shep: I have never seen a Chancellor asign Sudane to her posititon
[09:19] Shep: It makes me very suspicious
[09:19] Shep: Done
[09:19] Cadence Theas: Rosie
[09:20] Rosie Gray: thank you
[09:20] Rosie Gray: yes I was just going to point out that the Treasurer's position has no end unless they resign or are removed for cause
[09:21] Rosie Gray: so there is no need for an approval
[09:21] Rosie Gray: done
[09:21] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes.. i have a lot to say so bear with me.
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 2.
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: 1. ..
[09:21] Cadence Theas: (reminder to reclick the SPR to take your name off of the speakers list)
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I understand why you would be suspicious Shep, the reason is the past administrations didn’t follow the law. I don’t know why. Our current chancellor is trying to do so. Let me explain please .. as you can read from the notecards.
[09:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and yes tor is right EXCEPT..
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the Treasurer is a Civil Service position
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and that Law says
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it has to be reappointed each term. And there is another issue
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: That is that Sudane is the EO.
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the EO position is held until it is ended or resigns.
[09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that hat she wears continuously
[09:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: But the additional hat she wears as Treasurer..
[09:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: she has a role as the Treasurer that actually is supposed to be held by a differnet person than the EO per the founders.
[09:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so in order to legally be the treasurer.
[09:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: We need
[09:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: to have her get a waiver from the SC
[09:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and she needs our blessing.
[09:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done. for now.
[09:24] Cadence Theas: Gwyn
[09:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: With due respect to Shep: since we have Chancellors, the Treasurer AND the Estate Owner are appointed positions for a term. Formally, all Chancellors need to appoint their staff every mterm. Just because this didn't happen that isn't the current Chancellor's fault (I remember previous Chancellors, in some cases, actually confirming the appointment -- but certainly most couldn't care less)
[09:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The other issue has to be about the waiver. Technically, the Treasurer and the Estate Owner cannot be the same physical person. We slightly stepped aside that issue because Rudeen is the Estate Owner (and there are procedures in place to get access to Rudeen if Sudane is physically prevented to do so.The waiver is just to allow the same person to hold both roles. We never did that, but it's the legal requirement to do so.
[09:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So ....
[09:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sloppiness in the past doesn't mean that doing things according to the law' is 'suspicious'....
[09:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would be suspicious about the law not being followed...
[09:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, that's it. Thanks. Done!
[09:26] Cadence Theas: Pat
[09:26] Pat: there is a discrepancy in our laws. the act which provides for a treasurer says "She/he shall be appointed by the Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the RA, and shall jold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. "
[09:27] Pat: the civil service law says "Civil service members are appointed by the Executive Branch to fill a specific position established by law and serve for a term defined by that law."
[09:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: during that term ! is what it means.
[09:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: appointed each term.
[09:27] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:27] Pat: the correct way to resolve this is via a new law which resolves the matter or a decision by the SC
the current exec is trying to establish a new precedent according to one interpretation of the law
[09:27] Pat: hush cleo
[09:27] Cadence Theas: the SPR please
[09:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: removed during the term.. i am answering a citizen. we should answer him.
[09:27] Cadence Theas: Cleo, please wait
[09:27] Catz Jewell Lane: woah rude there Pat
[09:27] Pat: so, the correct way to proceedwould be
[09:28] Pat: to refer this to the SC
[09:28] Cadence Theas: Catx, secondwarning
[09:28] Cadence Theas: Catz
[09:28] Pat: or pass a new law which clarifies matterss
[09:28] Pat: not following one interpretation which may, or may not, be correct
[09:28] Pat: i cede the floor
[09:28] Cadence Theas: Gauis
[09:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio: Thank you. ㋡
[09:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio: For reference, the law can be found here: http://wp.slcds.info/faqs/nl-5-5-treasurer-act/
[09:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio: The way I read that law is that there is no term established for the treasurer, meaning that they can continue their post until their resignation or their removal.
[09:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio: Indeed that is the historical precedent in the CDS that is a part of our unwritten constitution.
[09:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio: So the question is now for the SC and the Chancellor: is Sudane still our treasurer, or has the Chancellor removed her? And why is the Chancellor brazenly changing the legal precedents of the CDS? This was not in his electoral platform.
[09:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio: Done.
[09:31] Cadence Theas: Tor
[09:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[09:31] Tor Karlsvalt: We do not have conflicting laws. NFSL 5-7 states:
[09:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Civil service members are appointed by the Executive Branch to fill a specific position established by law and serve for a term defined by that law.
[09:32] Tor Karlsvalt: As pointed out above, the Treasurer act stipulates that once approved the Treasurer serves until he or she resigns or is removed for cause.
[09:32] Tor Karlsvalt: This is similar in the USA to federal judges who server for good behavior.
[09:33] Tor Karlsvalt: The term to which NSL 5 7 refers runs from the date she is ratified until she resigns or is removed for cause.
[09:33] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that is as EO?
[09:34] Tor Karlsvalt: This action by the Chancellor is a power grab. An imperious one intended to make the Treauerer subservient to the Chancellor
[09:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio nods.
[09:34] Shep: Sigh
[09:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio: clap clap clap
[09:34] Tor Karlsvalt: And to politicize the office
[09:34] Pat: welll spotted!
[09:34] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Then are all civil servants appointed for life?
[09:34] Rosie Gray: •••°•••..☺ Applauds! ☺ ..•••°•••..
[09:34] Cadence Theas: Cleo, you are on the roster
[09:34] Cadence Theas: wait your term
[09:35] Cadence Theas: turn
[09:35] Tor Karlsvalt: Again I motion that the RA reject the Chancellors requst on the grounds that it is moot and contrary to the law and established custom.
[09:35] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[09:35] Cadence Theas: Delia, Gwyn, Jos, Cleo, then we can end discussion
[09:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio: clap clap clap
[09:35] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[09:35] Cadence Theas: we are still in discussion
[09:36] Rosie Gray: but a motion was floored
[09:36] Rosie Gray: okay, I withdraw it for now
[09:36] Cadence Theas: yes, But I think in fairness we have to let the speakers finishe
[09:36] Rosie Gray nods
[09:36] Cadence Theas: Delia please
[09:37] Delia Lake: What Tor said regarding the current laws. NL 5-7, Civil Service Act. "Civil service members are appointed by the Executive Branch to fill a specific position established by law and serve for a term defined by that law." and NL 5-5, Treasurer Act. "shall jold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. "
[09:37] Delia Lake: done
[09:37] Cadence Theas: Gwyn
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I see this goes much much deeper. Because of conflicting laws, some of our citizens now believe that there are 'roles appointed for life'. There is, just one: the SC members. No others are SUPPOSED to be 'appointment for life', much less without any checks and balances. Whatever the conflicting laws say, they have to be fixed. So I will move (at the apporpiate time) that we bump this to the SC with question: 'Are Treasurer/EO Civil Servants or not?' Based on that reply, I will certainly submit laws that make it crystal clear that they are, indeed, Civil Servants and nothing more than Civil Servants, with a
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: special charter like the PIO has
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have to apologise —
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in my mind there was NEVER any doubt that Treasurer & EO were anything BUT Civil Servants
[09:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: They have special laws. Sure. So does the PIO.
[09:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But it is NOW clear that many interpret the conflicting laws differently
[09:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So.... I will really require the SC to interpret the conflict,
[09:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and tell us — 'yes they are Civil Servants'
[09:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or 'no they are special cases, appiinted for life'
[09:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If the latter is the case, as said, I'll submit laws to clarify this.
[09:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's it. Thanks. Sorry for not having oticed the conflicting interoretations earlier. It should have been obvious....
[09:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Done.
[09:41] Cadence Theas: ty
[09:41] Cadence Theas: Jos
[09:41] josjoha moonglow: ty, please excuse me if i babble too long:
[09:41] josjoha moonglow: The Constitution, a law that normal laws may not break in any way,
says that the Chancellor selects persons to carry out duties of the
office of the Chancellor. The civil servant law can not break the
Constitution.
[09:41] Cadence Theas: please try to keep it short
[09:42] josjoha moonglow: It seems that since the Chancellor at
first selects the Treasury, that this falls under the Executive.
It also seems to me that budget matters are of an Executive nature
(compare law making, or legal cases) ?
[09:42] josjoha moonglow: (I can make it fast, because i wrote it already 
[09:42] Cadence Theas: (ty)
[09:42] josjoha moonglow: Hence I think it may be a logical reading of the law that the
Chancellor appoints a new Treasurer every time, the part I read in the chat doesn't seem to say that it is a fixed position. If it is a fixed position, it becomes independent of the Chancellor, who is the Executive. Is it then a new branch ef Government ? If so, shouldnn't it be in the Constitution then ?
[09:42] josjoha moonglow: I note that judges (Tor's point) are not the Executive, but the
Judiciary, which is put at a measure of independence from the
Executive upon which they have to levy the law. This is not so
with the Treasury, who could be responsible through the Chancellor
to the People; and hence it makes sense every Chancellor takes
that responsibility upon them to appoint (or re-appoint) a
Treasurer. Thank you for allowing me to speak LRA.
[09:42] josjoha moonglow: dones.
[09:42] Cadence Theas: ty
[09:42] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Then there is another issue though, and are they appointed for life, and can they be the same person, the waiver, like you said gwyn is what we are discussing, giving a waiver for the same person to be both the EO and the Treasurer .. for life, ... means that these are ONLY Sudanes sims. and we are not indeed a democracy at all.. "experiment failed" .. the thing i am most concerned about now is that how our laws can say .. " NO ONE SHOULD TECHNICALLY HOLD both the position of EO and the TREASURER titles.
[09:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so that is what is the bigger issue than , for life.
[09:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The waiver given to oen person for THESE two posts... do we think thats ok ? or does it depend WHO?
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I am just saying that .I believe the statement in the treasurer act means that during the term apointted they cannot be removed
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: because
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it says that about PIOS too
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and i dont think PIOS are appointed for life
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: So the real issue
[09:44] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is the WAIVER
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is so that we have one ver y special situation where we have someone who IS trusted to be the TREASURER
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and EO
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and that is EXTRODiNARY
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: per the set up of CDS
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it should be treated as extrodinary
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: evry single term.
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: NOT so anyone can OUST Sudane
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bu t so that the NEXTTIME
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: someone wants to be EO
[09:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: AND
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: TRESURER
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we say NO
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its not the best practice.
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its unique to Sudane only
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i worry if we go and change things to make it right for this one circumstance.
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: We have soeone later that is not as trustworthy
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: And honestly,
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: five years from now.
[09:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ten years from now.
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: We need to take this year by hhear term by term.
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I AGREE SHE WAS APPOINTED FOR LIFE OR RESIGNATION AS EO .
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but the combination
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: of that with Treasurer.
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: That is lethal
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we are very very
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: very
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: very
[09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: fortunate that Sudane was the right person .. to also be Treasurer.
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but it is not best practice in general for the same two people to have these positions... The chancellor sitting ASKED that WE approve his appointment of her.
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i would liek to do so
[09:48] Cadence Theas: ( can we keep this shorter)
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and then also ...
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: wait for the wavier to come to the SC.
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and that they give it .. mindful of the FOUNDERS
[09:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: NOT wanting this to be a monarchy
[09:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but a democracy with separation of POWERs
[09:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done.
[09:49] Cadence Theas: ok, this ends the discussion
[09:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: gywn is up
[09:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move she be let speak
[09:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: please.
[09:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: .... I already did ?
[09:50] Cadence Theas: yes
[09:50] Rosie Gray: just need to reclick the gizmo
[09:50] Cadence Theas: ok, could we please have a motion that brings this issue to the SC
[09:50] Cadence Theas: and suggests laws to clarify the interpretation of the current legislation
[09:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: The position of Treasurer shall be understood as a “civil service” type position. The citizen holding this role will not occupy any other elected or administrative position in the governed entity which he/she serves, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC. She/he shall be appointed by the Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the RA, and shall jold their position until they may resign or removed for cause. Any such planned transition shall be of a duration of no fewer than 60 days to allow for reestablishment of accounts and the transfer of funds.
[09:51] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:51] Cadence Theas: the discussion is over
[09:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: civil servants are apponted term by term
[09:51] Cadence Theas: Cleo
[09:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: per the next law.
[09:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I move to ask the SC if under the current laws the Treasurer and EO are Civil Servants or not, and report back to the RA with the answer.
[09:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ty .
[09:52] Cadence Theas: is there a second to the motion?
[09:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I furthermore move to table the current need for a waiver (it should be done after we have the SC's answer)
[09:53] Cadence Theas: ty Gwyn
[09:53] Cadence Theas: is there a second to the motion?
[09:53] JerryDon Lane: Cleo crashed
[09:53] Tor Karlsvalt: we lost Cleo
[09:53] Cadence Theas: shes back
[09:53] Tor Karlsvalt: welcome back cleo
[09:54] Cadence Theas: could we have a second to the motion?
[09:54] Tor Karlsvalt: we lost cleo again
[09:55] Cadence Theas: I hate when that happens to me
[09:55] Tor Karlsvalt wonders if NeXT Life will be any better.
[09:55] JerryDon Lane: It will be Tor...<:0)
[09:55] Cadence Theas: while we wait for Cleo, let me address the next issue
[09:56] Cadence Theas: I have been trying to get a legislative project agenda established for this term
[09:56] Cadence Theas: and sent out tasks for the RA members to complete and send to me to figure out the priorities this term
[09:56] Cadence Theas: I have only a partial chart
[09:56] Cadence Theas: let me show you
[09:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn apologies for not having answered the questionnaire yet, but I'm all for that idea-
[09:57] Cadence Theas: if you look behind me, I asked each RA member to prioritize the proposed projects for this term so we could estabish what projects to actually persue
[09:57] Cadence Theas: and in what order
[09:58] Cadence Theas: I still need replies from Gwyn and Cleo
[09:58] Cadence Theas: the item numbers are per todays agenda
[09:58] Tor Karlsvalt jumps with the explosion of a firework and car alarms going off.
[09:59] josjoha moonglow: 
[09:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
[09:59] Pip Torok greets Thompson Dawes
[09:59] Cadence Theas: is that good or bad Tor?
[09:59] Thompson Dawes: Cheers!
[10:00] josjoha moonglow: ❁ ⒽⒺⓁⓁⓄ ❁
[10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Point... I do apologise.... I'm currently trying to present a report about my PhD to my teachers iRL.... the past two weeks have been a nightmare... but it's over now... next week I should be free to fill up that form. I promise
[10:00] JerryDon Lane: Hi Thompson
[10:00] Cadence Theas: ty Gwyn
[10:00] Tor Karlsvalt: haha, well it is good.
[10:00] Tor Karlsvalt: but startling.
[10:00] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:00] Cadence Theas: its a lot of work
[10:00] Cadence Theas: but if we organize it, we can get a lot done this term
[10:01] Cadence Theas: and avoid a lot of unnecessary discussion
[10:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I am wondering if anyone is in contact with Cleo? seems she was on briefly just a moment ago then off.
[10:01] Cadence Theas: well, we have a qrorum still so we can vote on Gwyns motion
[10:02] Cadence Theas: the idea is to end today at 10, so the Americans can enjoy their holiday
[10:02] Tor Karlsvalt coughs and so Columbia can party toward a victory
[10:02] Cadence Theas: do we ahve a second to Gwyns motion?
[10:02] Cadence Theas: yes yes !!!
[10:02] Cadence Theas: today at 3pm
[10:02] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn needs to go
[10:03] Cadence Theas: please a second to Gwyns motion
[10:03] Rosie Gray: oop, now she has crashed
[10:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I think she left
[10:04] Cadence Theas: and we no longer have a quorum
[10:04] Tor Karlsvalt: yes we do
[10:04] Cadence Theas: to discuss, but not to vote
[10:04] Rosie Gray: no we do have a quorum
[10:04] Tor Karlsvalt: 3 of five is a majority.
[10:04] JerryDon Lane: No, you don't Rosie
[10:05] Pat: quorum is three
[10:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio: Quorum is three....
[10:05] Rosie Gray: so we can continue with the agenda
[10:05] JerryDon Lane: Not to vote, the way I understand it
[10:05] Rosie Gray: you are wrong, again, JerryDon
[10:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think that motion died.
[10:05] Cadence Theas: point of order
[10:06] Thompson Dawes: second to point
[10:06] Cadence Theas: I propose that we adjourn for today
[10:06] Cadence Theas: and meet next week.
[10:06] Widget Whiteberry opens her calendar
[10:06] Rosie Gray: we should pick a time to meet then
[10:06] Rosie Gray: before adjourning
[10:07] Rosie Gray: since it's so hard to pick a time
[10:07] Cadence Theas: I can Wednesday or thursday late evenings or other times with a little more difficulty
[10:07] Cadence Theas: Friday too
[10:07] Rosie Gray: late evenings are hard for me
[10:07] Cadence Theas: not late late
[10:07] Cadence Theas: it could be earlier
[10:07] Cadence Theas: 6pm SLT
[10:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Wednesday evening might be good.
[10:08] Rosie Gray: that's my dinner time
[10:08] Cadence Theas: 7pm SLT?
[10:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Thursday too, but I could be on earlier I tink on Wednesday.
[10:08] Tor Karlsvalt: 7 is good
[10:08] Cadence Theas: Rosie?
[10:08] Rosie Gray: I have RL meetings, Tuesday & Wednesday evenings next week, and am away for the entire weekend
[10:08] Tor Karlsvalt: or earlier. 5 slt is probably ok too
[10:09] Cadence Theas: that works for me
[10:09] Cadence Theas: or thursday at 7pm SLT
[10:09] Rosie Gray: I could meet at 5 on Thursday the 10th, or at 7
[10:09] Rosie Gray: 7 would be better
[10:09] Cadence Theas: Tor?
[10:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Thursday 7pm is good.
[10:09] Cadence Theas: I will contact Cleo and Gwyn
[10:09] Cadence Theas: I want to thank everyone today
[10:10] Cadence Theas: for your being here
[10:10] Cadence Theas: and for contributing to a very enjoyable session
[10:10] Cadence Theas: thank you
[10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all!
[10:10] Rosie Gray: thank you Cadence!
[10:10] Cadence Theas: motion to adjourn?
[10:10] Rosie Gray: and everyone ㋡
[10:10] Widget Whiteberry stretches
[10:10] Rosie Gray: I move to adjourn
[10:10] Cadence Theas: second
[10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[10:10] Cadence Theas: all in favor
[10:10] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:10] Cadence Theas: aye