CSDF General Meeting 21 Sept 3pm Transcript

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CSDF General Meeting 21 Sept 3pm Transcript

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The next General Meeting of the CSDF will be on [b:59q8xr5i]Thursday 21 Sept at 3pm[/b:59q8xr5i].

Location:[b:59q8xr5i] Pat's Country Home[/b:59q8xr5i] on the Lowland Road, (Neufreistadt 123, 33)

Please add suggested agenda items to my preliminary list by posting here.

[b:59q8xr5i]Agenda[/b:59q8xr5i]
1. Welcome to new members

2. Upcoming RA meeting
-Judiciary Bill(s)

3. Working with the new Chancellor
-Restarting Colonia Nova

4. Building Civil Society

5. CSDF Future Activities.

This is an open meeting so all are welcome to attend

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bumped, to bring it to the top of the list :)
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**bump**

(cos i want this to be top of the list)
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CSDF General Meeting 21 Sept - Transcript 1/2

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[color=Black:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Sienna:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Region: Neufreistadt (246528, 249600)[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Local-Position: (133, 8, 125)[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkGreen:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Meeting on 2006-09-21[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Those present[/b:1ef7sgo4]: [/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami is in the chair.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah, lol, Ash[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: :-p[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: That was a compliment ? why, thank you very much![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i'm in as silly mood too, so this coudl be fun[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yay![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: pls touch the recorder everyone, to indicate yoiur consent to be recorded[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Olive:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Simon Butoh has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hi delia, welcome[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hello delia[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Green:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Delia Lake[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hello, all[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Pat, i have touched teh recorder about one zillion imes lready, but he doesn't say anything back, so you have my permission to transcript[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: but it*[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: k moon. hehe[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Hy bryce[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Hi[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Teal:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Bryce Taggart[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Hola[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: come in everybody and take a seat[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: we're about to get started[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: there's an agenda in the notecard giver. just touch it to get one[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and pls toucht the recorder to indicate you're happy to be recorded[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: we keep a record of our meetings[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Olive:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Simon Butoh[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i'm not happy, but i'll give my consent[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and publish them on the neufreistadt forums[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: so that others hwo were'nt here can folow the debate[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and in the interests of transparencey[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: (http://froums.neufreistadt.info in case you didn't know)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ty to gwyn[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ouch ? *forums[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: first item: welcome to new members[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Lag kills any typist.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: none this week[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Welcome, new members![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Awww[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: so on ot item 2![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: /cryu[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: now, the upcoming RA meeting...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ok....[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: btw Pat[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i see we will be debating the judiciary bill again[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ;-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: one short info[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, moon[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: we are going to remove the cabinet bill from discussion...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn notices Ash sitting here. So, yes, the judiciary bill is going to be discussed. Check![/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: right, i didn't know there was one.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: heehe[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL @ Gwyn :-p[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: since the exec branch was solved[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah yes, Moon, good point.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: uh, we forgot to remove it ;)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Olive:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Simon Butoh[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i'm sorry, i just have to say somethin: no wonder you don't have any new members! what is this, a nursing home in florida???[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i say we, but it's really me, lol[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Moon and thanks her for remembering everyting[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: No, the nursing home is far more lively. This is a political discussion... :-p[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ty to simon and goodbye[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: uh?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: er, that was quick[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: That was Ulrika's alt ;)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Really, what was he expecting at a political discussion - pole dancing?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: now, the judiciary bill? do we need to discuss this any further in principle? or are there tactics to consider[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: tactics, please :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Hmm...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: he should have stayed, i'm planning to do some naked pole dancing later[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn takes out her Amazing Roll of Duct tape.[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: just before we sacrifice the goat and hold the orgy[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: TO be fair, I've never seen a pole wearing clothes...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: pfft Pat![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: did u remember to bring your pose balls?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hrmpf Ash[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: :-p[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol pat[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn *covers her ears*[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: anywy... tactics[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I remember taht at some point in time,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: are they gonna vote for it?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I suggested something and someone (was it you Pat?) asked me what it was,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and it was a principle of accepting the judiciary bill "in principle"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and moving then to the details.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Isn't that effectively what's already happened?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: oh yes, that blew ppl's minds at the last RA. lol![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: In essence, what this means is "Will we vote on having a judiciary? Aye/No"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I don't think that anybody in the RA seems to be opposing it on principle any more.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Good.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: One point less to discuss,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: next one? :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: But I'm not sure what the point would be of such a thing anyway, since anybody can submit legislation to the RA to discuss...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: But that's probably irrelevant now :-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant listens to Jon[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hmmm.. wonders what Rudy's group is up to on this one[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: It's hard to say exactly what the point of the constitutional "convention" is...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: On the judiciary?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Which is why I asked about the agenda.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah On the constitutional convention.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well rudy's suggested scrapping the judiciary proposal in favour of a constl convention[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle nods[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i really don't think that idea is going to fly[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, from what i gathered, they stand for a simplification of the current system[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: who wants it?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: What does he mean by "convention" in this context, anyway?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: It doesn't seem a popular idea so far...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ranma has suggested that the "judiciary" should be the Chancellor as judge, and picking randomly 2-3 people as juries,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and end of story.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Perhaps it's a good job that Ranma's not in government office, then :-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i think he means a 'symposium' to use your phrase ash, i guess he's modeliing it on the us constl convention (hopefull not the EU one :))[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hmmm. that sounds like a risky approach.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: anyway, whatever it is, we should be present there[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i intended to go along[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, i am going as well[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: despite the grid problems i met up with rudy, ash and justice last week[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Oh, Delia, did you raise your hand?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: My suggestion was, as those of you who have read the forums this evening/afternoon will know, is to have the event just as an academic discussion of our constitution in general, with the aim of education, without actually trying to change anything.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: feel free to jump in delia, if you have a question or statement you'd like to make :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Green:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Delia Lake[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ok, thanks[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ah, btw Pat[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: dunno if you have seen but there is another proposed bill[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: change to covenants[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: so, i get the impression we're not wildly enthusiastic about rudy's proposal?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: but i haven't read it yet[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Well, I know what he's going to suggest, Pat...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: (sorry, was just looking at agenda now)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Not about a simplified constitution, but it's not clear if he's asking whether we should discuss the constitution at all, or propose changes...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ok moon, we'll try to get on to that[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: nods[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: "Scrfap it and start from scratch!"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: *scrap[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Maybe he should join Port Neualtenburg ;-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: gah! and waste six months writing a new one?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, issue really abut const, at this moment is, is teh system that it defines scalable?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: he wants a tribal model. One Councilperson and 10 Chairpersons :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: And nothing more.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I really don't understand this fashion for oversimplification.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hehe Ash.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hmmm, with CN definetely on the run, and franchulates, i think it is just not feasible for much longer[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, i would have supported that...two years ago. but we are where we are[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I think that his point is that demcoratic structures can be minimalistic[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Actually, Moon, can I share with the rest of the gang our discussion on the "complexity of democracy"?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: That depends on what they're democratic structures *for*.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and our structures are perfectly scaleable, in my opinion[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol, your idea there gwyn, not mine :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i'd be interest to hear that gwyn, moon[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Indeed, especially with the recent reform of the executive, and the (hopefully!) upcoming reform of the judiciary.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i was doing the nodding .)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Well, I'll try to keep it brief. It won't matter much now, but you'll see the point ...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: So, Neufreistadt, up to now, had just "one" model of democratic structures,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: But I don't see why everybody thinks that our system is so complex anyway: it really is very simple compared to real-world governments![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: complex enough to allow to scale,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: vague enough to let us fill in details later.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Both the CSDF and DPU share this, In some cases, the DPU simplifies,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: in others ? like the federation model with a bicameral structure, it's far more complex that the "republic"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: But we are basically at a similar "degree" of complexity.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Then, we have our beloved Ashcroft :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: No vagueness ? everything should be defined to the utter details.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ;)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: That scales even better,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: As I have said, vagueness means, in practice, far *more* complexity than detail.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: will be harder to change and adapt with some degree of flexibility, though.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: And at last,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: we have a completely new group, around Rudy,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: and Ranma certainly[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Who are all for minimalistic democracy.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Now.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: We don't know if Rudy + Ranma will create a new party.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: At the upcoming elections, however, they'll use the minimalistic model,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: /md nods[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: as a basis for a very popularistic party.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, at least they will challenge other models into discussion[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: "Democracy Can Be Simple! Even YOU Can Understand It!"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Exactly Moon[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Imagine the impact on the potential franchulates,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Rudy had originally thought of forming a party, but later decided not to do so, from what I understand.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: who get scared away from our utterly complex models,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: which are even going to become MORE complex soon.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: (bt, info also on franchulates next)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Why on earth do you think that anybody has ever been scared away by our complexity?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, Ashcroft ? BUT he might still try, or Ranma might do it and get his support.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Oh,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Just comments from lots of groups[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: As far as I can see, complexity being frihtening is a myth.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: "you're interesting, but far too bureacratic, SL is about a quick pace" etc[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Not at all, Ash[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Nobody to whom I have ever given a tour and invited to become a citizen has ever balked at our complexity.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, I have heard that from others.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i think ppl are more likely to be frightened by the dramah, back in the day[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: or if it is, it's a myth used as an excuse for some groups never to join us, although they watch with interest.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Oh, i mean people away from the drama...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: The sort of people posting in the fora are exactly the sort of people who don't like democracy at all.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Anyway[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Even if it's a myth,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, let's look at it from another pov[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: the Minimalistic Party will certainly use that as a very strong argument.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: It's not strong - it's fallacious.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: a carefully written legislation, is a safety to people[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: The rational must set about showing how it is fallacious, and gathering evidence now.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, quite, Moon :-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ashcroft ? thing about a *populist* party. They want nice buzzwords that everybody understands![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: soundbites :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: it is a strong argument (even if fallacious) but i'm not sure it will gather enough steam[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle agrees with Pat[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ok. As said, both the DPU and the CSDF are much more in the centre of this debate, we avoid minimalistic approaches...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: it was the right debate to have two years ago, but we have better things to do than reinvent our system of govnt every year or so[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: But... it could work out.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: As far as I can tell, most of the non-politically active citizens don't terribly much care about the details of our administration as long as they can have their nice little shop in a nice little medieval Bavarian sim filled with nice people.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Quite, Pat.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ash, that is also very,very true[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ash makes a sound point, many citizens find this sort of debate v uninvoving[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: So the sort of people who might be thought to be interested in that sort of model are precisely the sort who won't be likely to care much either way.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i had great diffciulty getting ppl interested in the last election campaign[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i think though that this notion can be popular on teh franchulates, who are joining mainly for economic reasons, methinks[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: the isssues seemed too abstruse to be popular[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, Pat :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well i rememeber it :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: As we have discussed before, commercial parties want and need certainty. Certainty entails complex rules.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: but it's worth keeping in mind that this new pole of attraction is forming in the city[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: it is quite interesting, from an observers pov :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Consisting so far of two people, one of who, isn't even sure about whether to do anything about it?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: shall we move on to the rest of the RA agenda?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, please[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ash, I think we do need to take them seriously even if not yet so infuential[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: on the convenants: i haven't read that yet, just diagonally[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: If there's no more on the Judiciary Bill, I'm going to leave - I have a *very* early start to-morrow..[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: And it's already twenty to midnight.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: indeed :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: see you Ash[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i don't think we plan to discuss the judiciary bill further, do we?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: we can let ash get to sleep[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: LOL![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, lol[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, sure....[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Sleep well, Ashy :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Have a lovely evening, everybody...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: goodnight ash[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: We'll do our best ;)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: thanks Ash :) sleep well :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: See you all at the RA meeting on Saturday... :-0[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:1ef7sgo4]: :-)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle waves[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol, see you there :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: so, covenants. has anybody had time to read the proposal. i just skimmed it[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I just skimmed it as well[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: no, just read it very briefly[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Aw. No. I just sent to Claude the "original" ones....[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: some careful reading must take place, to see if namely the CN convenants are well translated into it[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: CN convenants are complex...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i find it difficult to get excited about this. it seems like we don't take them very seriously in any case[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes well... I had sent to the whole Bureaucracy Workgroup a list of the covenants for CN[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah. Well. That *might* change :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: We now have the person who most violated all covenants sitting in the position that enforces them![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well indeed! that makes them seem less of a restriction[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Gwyn, Indeed.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i was planning on adding a spinning neon sign above this place[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: "Pat's Pleasure Pad"[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol, advertising pole dancing? :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: with a couple of hookers pole dancing[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: it would be just the thing[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: something tasteful[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Boo![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: get NFS nights a tad more lively :)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah, I miss the cabaret....[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: (they'd be guy hookers, gwyn)[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Oh![/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: lol, anyway....[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: franchulates?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: We're skipping the covenants then?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: well, nobody has read them[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Meaning: what will Jon and Moon vote on Saturday?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ah[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Ok[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Well... hopefully they're not TOO bad.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Although we could get Ash's opinion <sniggers>[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i suggest you ask for more time to consider if you're not sure[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Aye, sounds reasonable.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: yes, most possibly that will have to happen[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: there's been minimal debate so far. and what's the rush?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, I really need to study the proposal.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ok, so franchulates?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle nods[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Indeed... and ok...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: ok[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i feel very uneasy with some of the wilder ideas being spread[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Jon had a chat with Pel on franchs[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hm?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Moon has an interesting proposal...[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: which ideas?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, Indeed.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: And yes ? which ones?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: i think we need to retain a commitment from prospective citizens[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, Moon has been working on a much broader bill.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I think this is what Pel intended, actually.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: hmmm, maybe i should paste our proposal on a notecard[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkRed:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Moon Adamant[/b:1ef7sgo4]: can you guys wait a sec?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: that we could divest citizenship from land, alllow sub-letting, admit groups (with no commitment to NFS) en masse[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Navy:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1ef7sgo4]: sure moon[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Pel did see this as a way to extend our democracy.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, please do, Moon.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, good idea.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Pat, I think it'll be worth to wait... Jon, you've read Moon's proposal, right?[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: I'm not sure I read the final one,[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=Indigo:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1ef7sgo4]: but it was looking good so far.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][i:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle 's fever is breaking a bit[/i:1ef7sgo4][/color:1ef7sgo4]
[color=DarkOrange:1ef7sgo4][b:1ef7sgo4]Jon Seattle[/b:1ef7sgo4]: Yes, I have read the latest.[/color:1ef7sgo4]
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CSDF General Meeting 21 Sept - Transcript 2/2

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[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Oh, I'm so glad to hear that![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: k got it, will read...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and thank you Moon[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: Della... i am going to give you a copy of our proposal for the franchulate system...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i'll need to digest this later[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: the moment i can turn my camera in your directon....[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: too late to take in new info :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i'll resume, just a sec[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: to resume[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: first of all, citizenship is given to franchulate holders[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: franchulate processes must be notarized, we touched nothing of Pel's economic thinking there[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: main difference is[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: for groups[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: groups will stand as cooperatives[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: holding the franchulate[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and each member of the cooperative will be notarised down and will hold a share[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle nods[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: correspondent to a microplot in the franchulate[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: I have an interesting scenario.. actually two[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: the franchulates are independent as electoral adresses[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: hmmm, what else....[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: this hasn+t been reviewd yet[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and must still be discussed with pel[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok, that's mre or less that[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Aye... I agree....[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Let me suggest a couple of interesting things..[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Please do :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant listens to Jon[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Lets say I got together with some people and decided to start a cooperative-run franch. But in this cae[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: case[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: we decide to do so not on the mainland, but as an island.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: a whole new sim.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Could I do it?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: And why not? :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: exactly.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: hmmm, i think this bill can be perfectly adapted to the island situation[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: just call it another name, say, Hippo[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: so you buy an island and annex it to the CDS. it should be okay.... but who pays for the land? who owns it in the end?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: The island would also be held by the EO, and joined to the CDS Estate.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: And then consdier the same scernario, except we buy half of an island from a land barron.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Anche, or someone..[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: so you would have franchs and hippos and CDS islands[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: The EO pays for it, or rather, the CDS pays for it...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: could I do that?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ah[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: *now* I see your point :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: That wouldn't work, unless the land baron became a CDS citizen....[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: hmmm, unless the EO became also a group member[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: though there is an interesting point there[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well, you can't have "half a private island" join the CDS, that wouldn't work...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: because the EO, it reads, is the only role in group that can sell or buy land[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ys.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: or even "yes"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: we're talking about big bucks here, if we're paying market rates. where's teh money going to come from[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: From the citizens in the franchulate![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well, one of my points (and I am not too clear on anything at the moment, lol) is that there is both a political aspect and an economic aspect to becomming a franch.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: or am I not understanding your question?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i mean for the purchase price of the land[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Aaah[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: oh, i assume it is some symbolical value[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: We expect it to be for L$0 ;)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: the CDS buys it from the franchisee, don't they?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: since you do hold an escrow too, as guarantee[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: "buy" as in the Sl word for clicking on the button that transfers ownership...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: really, the economic part is as Pel wrote it...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle nods to Gwyn[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: not necessarily as in "the group sells the land to the CDS for a huge profit"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well. In any case,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: I propose to amend Moon's proposal,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol, ok[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: having "transfers ownership" instead of "sells"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well, I am wondering if we could allow other economic arrangements.. well really land ownership arrangements, and still allow political combination.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and it's not even yet a bill proposal ![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: But very near to it, Moon :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: nods, ok Gwyn, that's better[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: so, as a potentail franchisee you're expecting me to sell u my land and receive a token amount and then relinquish ultimate control over it?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i can't see how that is appealing. surely we would have to pay 'real money' for the land[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: that way it can be arranged as it pleases you[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: or them, even*, lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ah, Pat, but there's the bit that is interesting,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: you can always (in theory) dissolve the franchulate,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, Pat, you see that there also dispensation for the franchulate process to occur at best moment[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and you'll get your land back, free to do with it what you want[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ashcroft talks about "declaring independence"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: I'd say "exit strategy"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Sooo one can argue,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: "why should I trust the BNeufreistadters to behave ethically and transferring the land back if I want it back?"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i think the idea has great potential. i'm not just knocking it for the sake of it[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well, that's the whole point of NFS :) "Trust" is codified into law,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and the answer would be "because if they don't, you can sue the EO on the NFS court :) "[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: but i need to hear how it would work in practice, the mechanics, to fully understand it[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Apparently, Pat, to my surprise, there are already 2 groups ready to join, and a third in conversations, but I've just heard rumours...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: and we need to consider the griefer/alt issue...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: and abolish microplots - they are the spawn of satan![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ah, btw, this, if successful, may imply that you have several EOs[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: hehe Pat. Actually, I'm almost convinced on that point...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Green:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Delia Lake[/b:2ekavv3j]: what then would happen with people who already own microplots?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: so willl this be discussed this week?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Delia raises an excellent question...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Sorry, everyone I am fading a bit (due to illness) and will have to get some sleep.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Yes, Jon, you should not be up :([/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Moon can fill me in tomorrow.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: if this is agreeable to the DPU, i think[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i'd say we should eliminate the microplots as they become free. goodnight jon. take care[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes, Jon, please do go and have some sleep :([/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle[/b:2ekavv3j]: Goodnight Gwyn, Pat, Moon, Delia[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ok, that sounds reasonable, pat[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: when ppl leave the city, or buy land in NFS or CN, the microplot reverts to teh city, they'd be gone in a few months[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkOrange:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Jon Seattle waves to all[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Green:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Delia Lake[/b:2ekavv3j]: good night, Jon[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: goodnight! sleep well and recover quickly[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: And Jon ? I hope you feel better soon, rest well![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i wouldn't want to kick ppl out !:)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well Pat, you can always do the Big Promotion Stunt :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, the franch bill doesn't apply to the islands of the CDS[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: "But a 144m2 plot for the price of a 16m2! Only valid through November, 30th" :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: *Buy[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: hehe[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: are we finished with the RA agenda?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well, that wouldn't be hopelessly silly, i think... we could almost afford that these days, if it's city-owned land[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: In any case...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Pat, you would like to read Moon's proposal better, I guess,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: with the amendment for "transferring ownership" instead of "selling"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: And hmm[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: if NOBODY wants to enter the CDS as a franchulate,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, that's too bad.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes, i'm really tired right now. and getting cranky...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Aw. Ok.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok, just give me one sec....[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: I would just second the notion that the CSDF is really not "pulling the wagon" any more but being reactive,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and i agree that we're spending too much time with the judiciary :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: So, on point 5., CSDF Future Activities, I would certainly suggest that we get back on track for all proposed changes[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: that were part of the CSDFs original programme for these elections.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i think that's true, we dominated the first few months of the RA session with our ideas but the majority have asserted themselves more recently[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: *this term[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: oh, i think now is the time to start pressing our pltform for real[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Not "the majority", Pat.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: The DPU is weird[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol, it's really the judiciary :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Well,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: the strongest input has come outside the RA,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: with lots of back-benching,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes gwyn, that's really what i had in mind for item 4. well, the RA majority[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: exactly[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and external inputs ? Ashcroft with the judiciary (remember, it was supposed to be the SC's job!!)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: may i drop a word?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and Rudy on the const. convention[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes moon[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and tie down this issue with CN, btw?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn hushes and listens[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i think we do need to be more assertive in terms of RA politics[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: we must not forget that we held a political platform[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: though we have pressed some points already, there is still the Civil Socity part to define and propose[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: now[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: CN is definetely going forward[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i reported to Aliasi already[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and the wgs are already moving again[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: and CN must move forward very quickly[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: this has all to do with time[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: so we do need all the CSDF help, lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: we do need help for writing legislation, namely[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yeah, i think it has to be 'all hands to the pump' to make it happen[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: it does indeed[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: we do need a bit of backoffice[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: could we broaden the discussion though to how we work with aliasi as chancellor?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: these meetings already help a very great deal inded[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: sure[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Ah sure![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant listens to Pat[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i think we're agreed on what needs to be done on CN. my question in relation to aliasi is "how hard do we want to press our agenda?"[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: what's the best way of working with her?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: "rare, medium, cooked, burnt"?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, that is also why we need to look at Civil Society proposals[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: since Aliasi will not centralize things in herself, but will delegate, i believe[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: so i think something like the Planning festival can be a ver good idea[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: She most definitely will.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: bit early to be discussing her roasting :) hehe[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: (and lol Pat)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol pat[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, it's good that her style will ikely favour delegation[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: but do we want to push some of 'our' ideas with her?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: actually i guess i'm answering my own qn here, we'll do that where it delivers results...[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i am sure that Planning Festival will be well received[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: and back off and do things differently when it doesn't[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: item 4?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i shall repeat myself[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: Planning Festival[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: this is reallly all teh 'non-legilsative' ideas we had[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: now really[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes moon, the PLANNING FESTIVAL![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: those were very positive ideas we raised at the campaign[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: What about this,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: let's set up a date,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: and events and fun things to do as a community[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and see what comes out of it.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: we've spent too much time having dry intellectual debates[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: After all, Rudy did the same with the const. convention[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: that sounds like a good way fwd gwyn[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: why don't use it to assure some iportant events?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: say you hold the Planning Festival to prepare the Oktoberfest[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Good, good.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: but do u think we should try to do it on our own or thru the Chancellor[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: ?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: so actually you have a double event that takes a fortnight[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Green:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Delia Lake[/b:2ekavv3j]: thanks for letting me sit in. i appreciate it. i do have to go now. good bye everyone :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok, goodby delia[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: glad u could make it[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ah, bye Della :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Bye bye Delia, and thanks a lot for coming![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: Pat, to answer you[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i think that the CSDF can approach Aliasi on this[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Sure, i think so.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Aliasi doesn't want to "pick people out" and delegate things to them,[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: instead, she passively looks for volunteers that are willing to do things, and assigns them tasks.[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: who owuld organize the planning festival, btw?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: would?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: so the tactic should be to volunteer to do things first[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: exactly[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, it was our idea! or more properly yours/jon's[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: hehe[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: Jon's, lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: and since jon isn't here, i volunteer him![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn is glad that she hasn't ideas.[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: and LOL[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: lol[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Most excellent![/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i'm flagging fast here btw. could we conclude in about ten mins?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i thinkthis should be discussed again[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: sure[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: on my part, CN won't leave me a moment free[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: how about an approach to aliasi in the meantime?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: shall we wait to discuss with jon first?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: sure, who shall do that?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: oh, yes[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: nods[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, jon knows most about it, so would be the ideal person :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: this can be also carry on on mail[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: carried[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: yes[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: i am not sure if this needs any kind of back legislation, but i think not[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: i'm beat guys. can we call it a day?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: because it can be framed in an executive action[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: we'll need to give that some thought moon[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: ok .)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Indigo:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ekavv3j]: Sure Pat[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: well, are we at an end?[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: yup[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Navy:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2ekavv3j]: ty[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=DarkRed:2ekavv3j][b:2ekavv3j]Moon Adamant[/b:2ekavv3j]: thanks Pat :)[/color:2ekavv3j]
[color=Blue:2ekavv3j][i:2ekavv3j]The meeting closed at 16:30 Linden time.[/i:2ekavv3j][/color:2ekavv3j]
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