CSDF General Meeting 7 Sept 3pm - Transcript

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CSDF General Meeting 7 Sept 3pm - Transcript

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The next General Meeting of the CSDF will be on [b:2jnx88q4]Thursday 7 Sept at 3pm[/b:2jnx88q4].

Location: [b:2jnx88q4]Pat's Country Home[/b:2jnx88q4] on the Lowland Road, (Neufreistadt 123, 33)

Please add suggested agenda items to my preliminary list by posting here.

[b:2jnx88q4]Agenda[/b:2jnx88q4]
1. Welcome to new members

2. Upcoming RA meeting
[list:2jnx88q4]-Chancellor position
-Revised Franchulate Bill
-Judiciary Bills [/list:u:2jnx88q4]

3. CSDF Future Activities.

This is an open meeting so all are welcome to attend

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[color=Black:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Sienna:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Region: Neufreistadt (246528, 249600)[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Local-Position: (134, 9, 125)[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkGreen:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Meeting on 2006-09-07[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Those present[/b:jr7b2vyw]: [/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami is in the chair.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkRed:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Publius Crabgrass has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: aaah there it is![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I see it.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: it's on the table, next to the notecard giver[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Olive:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Yogeswari Padar has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: first item, welocme to new members[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Thanks, I got it! And yay, welcome to all new members![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: welcome to summer carmichael, who came to our last meeting[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but isn't here today :([/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ah, welcome all! :D[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: welcoem anyway![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: next item[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: upcoming RA meeting[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Supersonic Pat strikes again..[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: first off i'd like some guidance on the Chancellor position which i've put my name forward for[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i circulated some thoughts to CSDF members earlier[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The "Key tasks", right? :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: any thoughts from those who had a chance to read? yes gwyn[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I like one thing with the approach,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: 2 *very clearly defined* items/ideas[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: And both are rather on people's minds ? CN, and planning[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Perhaps the only one I'd place there ? a personal issue, I'm sure ? is GETTING THE MOCA OPERATIONAL: :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Sorry for all caps ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ... but we're at MoCA iteration 5.1[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hehe, but surely that's a private concern :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: oh, but i agree with gwyn[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Pull everybody's hair out of their heads if it's necessary ? the city has *paid* for it[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: we should sort it out indeed[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn has always the choice to make a rally on the Marktplatz ;)[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: so do u think that the MoCa is a missing part of the platform?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle agrees with Gwyn and Moon[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well Pat[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and i agree with you Pat that CN needs some attention - and i fully recognize my blame for its stalliing of late[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i'm interested to hear things that ppl thought shold be included and weren't[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I think that it would be one case where the executive will clearly make all the difference.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: CN is naturally enough the other case[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and, of course, the planning for Oktoberfest, etc, and all those things ? no problem there, I think[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: We tend to neglect all the forward planning quite often :P[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: can i say where i was coming from? i.e. the strategy?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Sure :D[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ah, yes Gwyn, the yearly event schedule[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Moon[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i think that, with a DPU majority, a prospective candidate has to reassure them that they will implement their progrramme[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: them = the DPU?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: yes[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: it can't just be a 'trojan horse' for getting all of what we want thru. hence i'm stressing 'technocratic' aspects of teh post. i'd be saying in effect 'i can get the job done'[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Aaah I see your point![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: be an efficient organiser, not a separate locus of power[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant nods at Pat[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: And you think that the DPU is keen on those two things, CN and general planning?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hehe! i take your point[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: And probably ignore the rest? :-D[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well, *some* aspects of planning, I guess that they will agree to the *need* for them... ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: complettion of CN was a manifesto committment, i think claude has been cool on forrward planning but thats because he distrusts 'grand central' plans[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i think he'd be happy provided there is citizen involvement[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ok...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: well, any tips in advance of sat's meeting would be welcome - by email or other means :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i aim to ask claude what procedure they'll follow[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: not sure if this is a job interview or a beautiy contest[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Yes, I'm interested in knowing those as well :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Neither i think[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i'm screwed if it's the latter[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ROFL[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ;-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: You might have to face Aliasi as The Green Troll :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I'd say you'd get a fair chance then ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: how did u know that was my nickname at school?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: k, next item[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: You're Aliasi's alt?![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: That'd make for an interesting contest ;-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: franchulates bill revised. anyone had a chance to study this since claude brought it fwd at the last RA?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn meekly admits not to have studied it[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami is ashamed to admit he hasn't ....[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Yes, hmm.. it still seems thin to me.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant coughs[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami fidgets uncomfortably[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well, I'm reading it *now*[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Olive:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Yogeswari Padar[/b:jr7b2vyw]: yoge hides her head :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkRed:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Publius Crabgrass is completely lost ;)[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: are your objections strong engouth to oppose it jon. /me reads proposal[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: It seems that I'm not undrestanding it at all[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Here is my concern -- this is still focused on the economic side. How can this bill be more useful to groups that wish to connect themselves with our cooperative?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The main aim seems to be a way to reduce tier.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Was the slogan not "cheap land and government"?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hmm they get all the laws .... "The franchulate is expected to fully uphold the CDS constitution and is treated as land annexed to the CDS."[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: well, it does have that advantage jon[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but it allows us to expand to teh mainland too[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i can't see anyone wanting to do it...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but i don't see the harm in having the option[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ashcroft, out CSDF's slogan has never been cheep land and government. You have the wrong faction for that![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm well,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn laughs at Jon ;)[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: No, not your slogan - the slogan of those proposing Franchulates.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ah, ok.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well... as far as I read this,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: it seems peaceful enough[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I mean,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Lets say a group decides that they want to connect their own land with our system and it turns out in that case that there is no substantial savings from the cooperative owning the land.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: if something goes *wrong* on land held by the franchulate,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: the city "owns" it... right?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: This is not exactly clear...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Do you offer an option to the group to connect to our governance system?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: in that case jon, they wouldn't get a franchulate[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: "Once the franchulate is approved and purchsed, is now CDS territory and subject the ToS, codes and constitution."[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i think the idea only works when there are the right configurations of tier[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hm.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So, in our case,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Olive:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Yogeswari Padar[/b:jr7b2vyw]: sorry, gang, i'm at the office and need to go home - i'll be back soon![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: it would mean that one alt would hold all the franchulates?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Pat, what would they get then? Say a group like the esperato group?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: See you in a bit, Yoge![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Law and order, and a citizen's vote?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Actually, no[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: They have to be citizens *already*. Hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but only citizens can franchulate. u have to be in the cds to begin with[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: yes.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So it's just a "jurisdiction" issue.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: gywn beat me to it... again![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and lol Pat, sorry[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ah, this is different from what I thought at first![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The Franchulate owner does, but then other people could then be citizens by holding land only in the Franchulate.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hi badinage, gonta[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Teal:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gonta Maltz[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Heyo![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So, I would like to draft an amendment.. to make it better for existing groups to join with us.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets waves[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hi Gonta & badinage, welcome.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Teal:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gonta Maltz[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Thanks, Gwyn[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Gontas paws stink[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ok Jon. Somehow, this should be clearer:[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hi Bani and Gonta[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: - a group wanting to "join in" should have a clear and detailed plan of what they should do[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ie. "So you own land in the mainland, and want now the privilege of being part of Neufreistadt? Now you can! Just follow this simple 3 steps:"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: u could see if pel or claude will take that as a friendly amendmemtn jon[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: "1) become a citizen in NFS/CDS, get a microplot"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: "2) apply for franchulate status with all your group's land"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: "3) And that's all! Your land is now under the jurisdiction of NFS. Welcome !"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :D[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: gwyn makes it sound *so* appetising![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: exactly Gwyn, but does 1 and 3 require that the land be "owned" by the cooperative?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Yes, Jon, that's what I read[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: That somehow this land is now paid for tier by NFS[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and taht the groups get a discount[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *that[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So, yes, there would be an alt or something to hold all franchulate land[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Question...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: What if I want to join the poltical and judiial structure without that? Is it possible?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: that's what i understood - and probably why i'd never do it. u give up 'real' owenreshp of your land to save a bit on tier[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Forget it, disregard the question.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Aye Pat, but you'd get all the organisation ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Still, I believe that people in the land rental business ? say, Dnate Mars ? would probably do it.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but i have that now, best of both worlds :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I'm sure that Pelanor & others have proposed this because they have something in mind,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: very likely, they want to offer rentals on the mainland,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and place it under NFS jurisdiction[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: its' always felt to me like a solution in search of a problem. yes gwyn, there must be a 'cunning plan'[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: And tell their customers: "look, if you've got complains, please knowck at this address"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol not cunning at all ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami notices we've all gone quiet![/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets *CAWS*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: We're thinking.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Thanks, Badinage. :) At least we know that *someone* is awake ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hehe[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :>[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I wouldn't call it "a cunning plan"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: but more something very much in the line of the financial bills,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: a solution for a problem that actually never existed :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Unless, of course, there is a *concrete* example we have never been aware of. i don't know.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: we seem to be good at finding those in neufreistadt![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Is somebody annexing Port Neualtenburg and we weren't told? :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i do worry a bit about the idea of having 512 m2 in a franchulate in the midle of a chaotic sim...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Sadly true, pat :-P[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm Moon[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol pat[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Would this mean that we would have to *police* the franchulates? :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle laughs at Gwyn suggestion of anex[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: oh, i meant that somehow NFS is very linked to the idea of 'organized' territory[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: As to police, or rather marshals of the peace, part of the agreement with the franculate-holder could require that he or she provide marshals of the peace.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn is now dreading the costs of financing a major army to patrol the mainland franchulates[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: there was some discussion that the franchulate owner would be like the 'governor' or Chancellor of their patch[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ah Pat[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *but*[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: under *this* model[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and i a a bit afraid that tiny islets of order in middle of chaos won't actually look orderly[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: the franchulate owner is placing all their land into NFS' name[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i don't think it could be sold with police protection into the bargain[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I think that *these* points should be raised by Jon & Moon at the RA,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: what about policing, enforcement,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and what about the "proposed" mini-governor over the franchulates?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: None of these are being addressed[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Not on this "revised bill"[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Also,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: One thing is "territory" being part of NFS,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: the other is: what would happen if that land is *settled* by non-citizens?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: What would those non-citizens right be?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Remember, they would pay rent to the franchisee[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Excellent points Gwyn![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami agrees with Gwyn[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Also,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: we have restrictions on zoning[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: inside the CDS-owned sims[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: One of which is "no rentals" ? hehe[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ah Gwyn[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: actually the subrental problem was raised[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: "Under no circumstances may franchulate holders sublet franchulate land." (part of the notecard)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: indeed. so thse points need to be clarified[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *squints eyes*[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: and the idea was that no rentals would be allowed in franchulate[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *Now* I'm confused indeed.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol, yes[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So ... what's teh point??[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: can we agree that jon and moon will examine this at the RA meeting? and move on to the next item?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Well ok[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ok :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle nods[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hmm, I'm hoping that Franculates come *after* the Judiciary bills at the RA meeting![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ask them what type of people they're thinking to attract,[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: it seems that only shop owners would probably get some benefit?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Ah Ash[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Franchulates have been wiating for hmm[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: 8 months? :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: 9?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Something like that.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The proposal seems to have been made in far less detail on the forum notwithstanding that...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: yes, i feel they're likely to take this first. not least because they see it as 'less controversial'[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The power of summarisation ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hi rudy, welcome[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hello :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn *waves* at Rudy[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: let's discuss the judiciary bills[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=SlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Rudy Ruml[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Sorry to drop in late folks. Bad time for me.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: hi Rudy :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hi Rudi[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=SlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Rudy Ruml[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Hi everyone.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Teal:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gonta Maltz[/b:jr7b2vyw]: heyo, rudy![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets waves idly[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i confess that i haven't read ashs latest draft. how would u like to structure this?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The latest draft is like the earlier ones with some minor amendments.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: we could discuss the merits of justice's multi-bill v ash's superbill[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Superbill? You should see real-world acts of Parliament...[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: or the general issue of complexity, concerns about burden[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Those get into the hundreds of sections.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Teal:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gonta Maltz[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I'm headed off, sorry interject[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Teal:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gonta Maltz[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *sorry to[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Cheerio! :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :O[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Bye Gonta :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: ash, the UK Treaty of Accession to teh EEC was my constandt companion for many years :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Bye Gonta[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I'll have to go in 10 minutes as well ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: LOL![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Rats.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: goodnigt gonta, glad u could come[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: So, you have about 10 minutes to explain why we should NOT separate Ash's proposaln in 5 bills as Justice suggests ;)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I've already done so on the forum.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: The only reason I truly see against those 5 bills is that some would not make any sense[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: It'll take less than 5 minutes to post the link :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Good :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Blue:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Badinage Odets[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I bid you adeu[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: see you Badinage![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: http://forums.neufreistadt.info/viewtopic.php?t=289[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: cheerion badinage - fab name btw[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *cheerio![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: bye bandi[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Everything that you need to know about why not impliment a judiciary piecemeal is in there.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Justice never replied to my arguments against the split.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i have to agree with ash[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: there is a major problem with justices' proposal[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Just the one? ;-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=SlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Rudy Ruml[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I don?t want to interrupt, is it timely to ask a questions?[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: you could pass some, and not others, and be left a with a dogs dinner[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Exactly.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: better to do it all at once in my opinion[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: do on rudy[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Quite :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant[/b:jr7b2vyw]: wb Yoge :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: *go on[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkOrange:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Jon Seattle[/b:jr7b2vyw]: wb Yoge![/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: That's the only thing I see about it, yes, Pat & Ash[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: wb yoge[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Olive:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Yogeswari Padar[/b:jr7b2vyw]: thanks, sorry :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=SlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Rudy Ruml[/b:jr7b2vyw]: I hope to schedule a meeting under the auspices of the Democratic peace Group on[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=SlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Rudy Ruml[/b:jr7b2vyw]: the constitution of the city.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: That was quick, Yoge :) You must have *flown* back home.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Green:jr7b2vyw][i:jr7b2vyw]Moon Adamant nods at Rudy[/i:jr7b2vyw][/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: There just isn't any *reason* to separate the bits of the structure.[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Olive:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Yogeswari Padar[/b:jr7b2vyw]: lol, i live close to my office[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Indigo:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:jr7b2vyw]: Should be interesting :-)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=DarkSlateGray:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:jr7b2vyw]: :)[/color:jr7b2vyw]
[color=Navy:jr7b2vyw][b:jr7b2vyw]Patroklus Murakami[/b:jr7b2vyw]: i look forward to that rudy, shd be interesting[/color:jr7b2vyw]

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CSDF General Meeting 7 Sept 3pm - Transcript 2/2

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[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: I hope that can be timely for you all if it is at 1PM[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: What day?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Oon the 16th[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ssunday.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: suits me fine :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ohh, I can't come on the 16th - I'm on a conference.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I'm unavailable the whole week-end.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: What?s a good time Ash?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: jon, moon, you had some concerns about ash's proposal before[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: You of all people should be there.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Most week-ends other than that one :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: has your position moved at all[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: OK will check with you privately.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Do :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: ty rudy, ash :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Pat, ty?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: thank you = thank you :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: oops[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: thank you[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: OK, still learning.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: t y is thank you[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: sorrry rudy, ty to gwyn too[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: ;)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Chers[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Chers=cheers.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: lol[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: well, I will say I am glad we are heading in the direction of shorter proposals.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: Anyway, I'm sorry ? I have to hop to the next meeting :P[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: What do you mean?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ahh, rats.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: It's been nice seeing you :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Jon - do you mean the executive summary or the piecemeal proposals?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: bye gwyn, such a social butterfly :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Quite the socialite![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: lol[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: Socialite, not socialist ;)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: hehe[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: bye gwyn[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: ;-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: I'll see how long that takes... I might be back wit some of you around,[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Cheerio![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkSlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:4s86m2xm]: so see you later![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ash, the exec summary. I still have reservations about the whole enterprise of course.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I'm glad that the summary helped :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: How serious are your reservations at this stage, having seen the executive summary?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ah, Ash, I would go along with the faction of course.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Well, perhaps I've missed something, but I'm not sure what the overall CSDF view is at this stage...[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: hehe, u and me both ash :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I have been trying to address some of your concerns, Jon, including in my most recent draft.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Hello, Tad :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: hi tad. welcome[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DimGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Tad Peckham[/b:4s86m2xm]: hello[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: hi tad[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: hello tad .9[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: pls touch the recorder to indicate consent to be recorded[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DimGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Tad Peckham[/b:4s86m2xm]: sorry to barge in, i just wanted to sit in if nobody minds[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: In case you didn't get around to reading it, the latest draft contains a provision allowing the Dean of the SC to appoint a member of the SC to sit as a Judge of Common Jurisdiction...[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: you're very welcome tad[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: not at all Tad, welcome :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Tad, you are welcome.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: ...in particular proceedings where no Judge of Common Jurisdiction is available.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DimGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Tad Peckham[/b:4s86m2xm]: :) thank you[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ash, Yes, I know.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: This would cover the eventualities either (1) that we run out of judges totally, or (2) that the only judges are parties to proceedings.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ahh, sorry to bore you, then :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: well jon, u know my position. it's very similar to gwyn's :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: i think we save ourselves a great deal of work by passing ash's proposals wholesale[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: i've suggested some measures to provide a 'failsafe' if things go wrong[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=SlateGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Rudy Ruml[/b:4s86m2xm]: Gotta go, but you all know what I plan, so will make sure you all know the date and time. Cheers.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Do :-) Cheerio, and talk soon... :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: provided the RA approves some/all of them i say 'go for it'[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: Cheers Rudy :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: bye Rudy, good to see u again[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Well, I do trust Pat and Gwyn on this. How about a sunset clause?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: yes, me too[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Automatic expiry is dangerous because it causes problems if people don't agree after the time limit.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: It's a particularly dangerous thing to have a judicial system just evaporate - what happens to people who have cases ongoing?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: What I suggest is ongoing review - after all, any time limit set at the outset will be arbitrary.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: The system that I propose deliberately preserves the over-rideing power of the Representative Assembly to change the law.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: but then the SC could take care of teh processes?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: of the*[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Ahh, but the question would be *how*.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: i mean, after a sunset clause[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: That could cause a *lot* of problems.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: my expectation would be that the system would continue. the sunset clause is added 'security' in my opinion. it does cause problems if there are cases in progression but, if things are going well, the system will be maintained[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I give full reasons against a fixed-term automatic expiry ("sunset") clause on this thread:http://forums.neufreistadt.info/viewtopic.php?t=262[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: And also propose a more workable alternative.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: and if things are going badly, then it will be the case that the RA wants to dispense with the system[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: But why should a *minority* of the RA be able to dispense with it?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: What's the benefit in tht?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: well, pat, that could happen anyway[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Why should failure be the presumption, if your belief is that there probably won't be problems?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: do we have any feel for the dpu position on this? do they see a 'sunset clause' as necessary?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Moon: exactly :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: They've been silent about it on the forums.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: My point is that the RA always has the power to change the law, or even the legal system, by further Acts or further constituiotnal amendments.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: i suggest that those who are up to it have one last fling on the forums before saturday[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I don't see why a *minority* should be able to upturn our new judicial system after a fixed period of time, or why failure shoudl be the presumption.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: But I agree that forum discussion is the way foreward :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: ty ash, i'm feeling tired now, past my bedtime :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Mine, too.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: next item. sudanee's estate and treasurer proposals[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: I'd better go to bed now - I'd really mainly come for discussion of the Judiciary proposals.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: Have a good envening, and enjoy the rest of the meeting :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: Pat, i think we had already reached a decision on this[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: we have discussed these in prt before[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DimGray:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Tad Peckham[/b:4s86m2xm]: goodnight ashcroft[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: good night, ash[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: See you on Saturday in the RAthaus :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: goodnight ash[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: sleep well, Ashcroft .)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: And you :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: Goodnight Ash[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Indigo:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Ashcroft Burnham[/b:4s86m2xm]: :-)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: yes, i'm wondering why i put these on the agenda :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: was there anything further to discuss on them?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: i thought we agreed they were fine[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: no, i think not[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: yes, exactly, Yoge[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: ok[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: so our final item, unless there is any other business, is csdf future activities[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: i think we've all been too busy with various activities to give this one much thought[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: i still like the idea of a public meeting, but perhaps after teh Chancelllor business is put to bed?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: anyone have anyhting to say[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: I like the idea as well..[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][i:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant nods[/i:4s86m2xm][/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: let's discuss in more depth next time[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: hopefully in two week's time? if the RA goes back to fortnightly meeting?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: indeed[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: sounds good[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: though am not sure if/when that is happening Pat[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: k, any other business?[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: none on my part[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][i:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami waits for jon and yoge :)[/i:4s86m2xm][/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: 5[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: no, sorry[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: 4[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: 3[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: lol[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: 2[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle[/b:4s86m2xm]: No other business.[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: 1[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=DarkOrange:4s86m2xm][i:4s86m2xm]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:4s86m2xm][/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: lol[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: we're done![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: yay![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: :)[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Navy:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Patroklus Murakami[/b:4s86m2xm]: ty everybody[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Green:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Moon Adamant[/b:4s86m2xm]: w00t![/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Olive:4s86m2xm][b:4s86m2xm]Yogeswari Padar[/b:4s86m2xm]: thank you, pat[/color:4s86m2xm]
[color=Red:4s86m2xm][i:4s86m2xm]The meeting closed at 16:18 Linden time.[/i:4s86m2xm][/color:4s86m2xm]

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