CSDF Open Meeting on Citizens' Associations - Transcript

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CSDF Open Meeting on Citizens' Associations - Transcript

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[17:58] Flyingroc Chung: oh, when's the portugal/germany game?
[17:58] Dnate Mars: hey Gwyn
[17:58] Moon Adamant: hi Jon :D
[17:58] Moon Adamant: and hi Gwyn :)
[17:58] Moon Adamant: tomorrow FR
[17:58] Flyingroc Chung: I'll be rooting for Germany
[17:58] Flyingroc Chung: lol
[17:58] Flyingroc Chung: j/k
[17:58] Jon Seattle: Hi Gwyn, Moon, Flying, and Dnate!
[17:58] Dnate Mars: I thought it was Germany France?
[17:58] Moon Adamant: lol FR
[17:59] Flyingroc Chung: france italy
[17:59] Jon Seattle smiles at everyone
[17:59] Moon Adamant: but you can, you know :)
[17:59] Dnate Mars: ?!?!?!?
[17:59] Dnate Mars: I am confused
[17:59] Flyingroc Chung: portugal/germany are figting over 3rd place
[17:59] Dnate Mars: lol
[17:59] Yogeswari Padar: hi everyone
[17:59] Jon Seattle: Hi Yogi!
[17:59] Moon Adamant: actually i don't knwo which i'd prefer to win in france-italy
[17:59] Moon Adamant: hi Yoge :)
[17:59] Yogeswari Padar: now that i'm an officer, i should have a shirt!
[17:59] Yogeswari Padar: lol
[18:00] Jon Seattle: So you should! :)
[18:00] Moon Adamant: lol, didn't i send you one?
[18:00] Yogeswari Padar: i don't think so
[18:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn apologises for her silence and greets everybody now!
[18:00] Yogeswari Padar: hi gwyn
[18:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry hehe
[18:00] Yogeswari Padar: hi flyingroc, it's been a long time since i've seen you
[18:00] Flyingroc Chung: ooh
[18:00] Moon Adamant: there you go Yoge... the full kit :)
[18:00] Flyingroc Chung: get rid of the guild?
[18:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR "ooh"s. That must be a good sign!
[18:00] Flyingroc Chung: daring!
[18:00] Dnate Mars: it is time for me to go buy a mac, wish me luck :P
[18:00] Moon Adamant: lol
[18:01] Moon Adamant: oooh, gl Dnate!
[18:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Get a Big Mac, Dnate :)
[18:01] Moon Adamant: buy a pc instead!
[18:01] Flyingroc Chung: what kind of mac, dnatE?
[18:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And then join the Mac Users group, they're sort of a "Live Help" for Mac users in-world.
[18:01] Dnate Mars: I have 5 pc already
[18:01] Dnate Mars: now I want to see what these Macs are really all aobut
[18:01] Jon Seattle smiles at Moon
[18:01] Rubaiyat Shatner: it is a cult
[18:01] Flyingroc Chung: get a mac book pro if you're getting a laptop
[18:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Reliability, mostly... for 2 years.
[18:02] Yogeswari Padar: dnate, i have an intel i Mac, loaded w/2 G ram, 2 gHz chip, it's an amazing machine
[18:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then they melt away, like any other machine :)
[18:02] Flyingroc Chung: pfft, my IBM PC XT lasted about 10 years
[18:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Jon :)
[18:02] Rubaiyat Shatner: most of the macs I have bought are still running, and well I might add
[18:02] Yogeswari Padar: actually, gwyn, i beg to differ, my macs have been very stable over long long periods
[18:02] Rubaiyat Shatner: I pass them on to my sisters
[18:02] Jon Seattle: Hi Gwyn :)
[18:02] Dnate Mars: I am, I think I will get the MacBook Pro 2.16
[18:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe the Mac gang is still discussing ;)
[18:02] Flyingroc Chung: woohoo
[18:03] Flyingroc Chung: I wish I had one
[18:03] Yogeswari Padar: lol
[18:03] Moon Adamant: gwyn, send a sim call?
[18:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure....
[18:03] Dnate Mars: I just have to be sure that I can run SL on it
[18:03] Dnate Mars: lol
[18:03] Flyingroc Chung: is there a meeting?
[18:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR.... you do really live on the Moon, don't you? :)
[18:03] Flyingroc Chung: yeah, sorry
[18:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not on Moon *Adamant* mind you!
[18:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[18:03] Dnate Mars: lol
[18:03] Flyingroc Chung: been *very* out of the loop
[18:03] Moon Adamant: lol
[18:03] Jon Seattle laughs
[18:04] Moon Adamant: thta might be a bit uncomfortable
[18:04] Yogeswari Padar: dnate: my intel iMac runs SL very well - but i upgraded the video card to the 256 k option
[18:04] Dnate Mars had very dirty thoughts running through his mind
[18:04] Moon Adamant: ah, brb, let me open one door
[18:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: CSDF Campaign Meeting: Citizen's Associations in Neufreistadt starting now, meeting place: the Red House, (101, 63, 127)
[18:05] Dnate Mars: I was thinking of getting this one: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/W ... MvH/3.?p=0
[18:05] Jon Seattle: Yoge, I also have an intel mac. I it is great.
[18:05] Moon Adamant: hiya Rubayat :)
[18:05] Flyingroc Chung: I wish I had an intel mac!
[18:05] Rubaiyat Shatner: heya moon
[18:05] Yogeswari Padar: a big improvement over my old G4, even with apps that are running in the emulator
[18:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Me too , FR — hehe
[18:05] Flyingroc Chung: must make more money in SL
[18:05] Moon Adamant: btw... sorry for consistently spelling your name badly ... :(
[18:05] Yogeswari Padar: lol
[18:05] Dnate Mars: lol
[18:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tell me about it, Yoge :P ... my 'old' powerbook has melted down one of the memory slots
[18:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[18:06] Jon Seattle: We will wait another few minute and start.
[18:06] Dnate Mars: oh! I get a free iPod and a discount!!!
[18:06] Flyingroc Chung: .edu discount! yay
[18:06] Pallmor Bergman: At least with a Mac you're secure, unless you run Windows on it ;-)
[18:06] Dnate Mars: dual boot all the way
[18:07] Moon Adamant: hello Pallmor :9
[18:07] Pallmor Bergman: hi
[18:07] Rubaiyat Shatner: it is okay Mune
[18:07] Jon Seattle: Hello Pallmor
[18:07] Moon Adamant: lol
[18:07] Yogeswari Padar: they will do that - apple replaced the motherboard, hard drive and one ram module in my G3iBook last year (it was still under warranty)... it's like i have a new machine... can't run SL on it, but it's great for other things
[18:07] Jon Seattle: Okay, let me start with a few remarks, and then we can discuss our proposals. :)
[18:08] Moon Adamant: :)
[18:08] Jon Seattle: This is about our ideas concerning citizen participation.
[18:08] Jon Seattle: We are a community of very bright, creative people.
[18:08] Jon Seattle: One of our motivations for being in second life is that it gives us a chance to experiment. To shape our physical surroundings, but also to shape our social, political, and intellectual community.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: We were looking for a way that bright creative people could participate in the development of N’stadt, without having to insist that everyone get involved in the day to day running of the community.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: In many ways direct democracy is easier when it is about plans and not operational decisions. We can focus more on long term issues and preferences and less on personal details.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: The planning festival is a kind of game that results in some level of consent to plans for changing and developing a community.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: People form teams that develop proposals for community development and express these as built exhibits or posters.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: One team might draw up maps, other sample structures and models, a third create a walk-through environment.
[18:09] Jon Seattle: People invest their vote in a proposal and are able to change their vote as the game progresses.
[18:10] Yogeswari Padar: i'm involved in something like this in RL right now
[18:10] Dnate Mars: is this being recorded?
[18:10] Moon Adamant: oops
[18:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh... good question... do you mind if we get a transcript?
[18:10] Jon Seattle: Oh, yes, we should record.
[18:10] Yogeswari Padar: no prob here
[18:10] Moon Adamant: do you all agree in the transcript?
[18:10] Moon Adamant: i do, for teh record
[18:10] Rubaiyat Shatner: no prob
[18:10] Yogeswari Padar: yes
[18:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn certainly agrees and apologises for interrupting
[18:10] Jon Seattle: I do concent.
[18:10] Jon Seattle: consent
[18:11] Dnate Mars: I will just stay quite unless I want to be recorded
[18:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[18:11] SL Boutique Central: You have sold "GUUD Phone (wear it!)" to Lil Carducci.
[18:11] Jon Seattle: :)
[18:11] Jon Seattle: Let me continue.. :)
[18:11] Jon Seattle: People invest their vote in a proposal and are able to change their vote as the game progresses.
[18:12] Jon Seattle: There are two reasons this may be important. One is that a team may change their proposal in response to suggestions. Another is that two or more teams may negotiate to combine proposals.
[18:12] Jon Seattle: The idea is that teams not only compete but also work out differences and together build even better plans for the community.
[18:12] Jon Seattle: There are several advantages to this sort of game:
[18:12] Jon Seattle: 1. It gets people involved in defining their own surroundings, so that they will feel that this is their own creative work.
[18:12] Jon Seattle: 2. It potentially involves us in redeveloping our environment so that the place is responsive to changes in peoples wants and interests.
[18:12] Jon Seattle: 3. It makes us even more democratic and encourages more participation.
[18:13] Jon Seattle: 4. It gets us involved in forming groups that can explore particular topics and interests.
[18:13] Jon Seattle: So that is the end of my prepared remarks.

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